Recording dates for albums

I've always tried to figure out when New Order album sessions took place, and I always had a contradicting information on the subject.

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.
2. Power, Corruption & Lies: Winter 1983. Or was it October 1982?
3. Low-Life: The end of 1984?
4. Brotherhood: The spring and summer 1986?
5. Technique: June - September 1988 (2 months in Ibiza that resulted in 2 half-finished tracks and then 2 months at Real World)
6. Republic: August 1992 - Ferbruary 1993? (They were halfway when Factory went bankrupt in November 1992)
7. Get Ready: October 1999 - 2001 (Brutal was recorded in October 1999, being the first fruit of their latest recording activity).
8. Waiting for the Sirens' Call: 2003-2004.

It's odd that we have all Joy Division session dates and none of New Order. Discuss.

Aye, often wondered when the Low Life sessions were. September 1984 to late 84 / early 85 i would imagine, dunno. I remember in Melody Maker in September 84 there was a small news item about them recording The Perfect Kiss and having to re do it (9 times or something) repeatedly before they got it right.

P,C & L would have been late 82/ early 83?

Brotherhood in summer 86?

Technique we all know about.

Get Ready late 2000/ early 2001?

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.

Definitely nothing in 1980, they were still writing some of the tracks up until March 1981.

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: I've always tried to figure out when New Order album sessions took place, and I always had a contradicting information on the subject.

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.
2. Power, Corruption & Lies: Winter 1983. Or was it October 1982?
3. Low-Life: The end of 1984?
4. Brotherhood: The spring and summer 1986?
5. Technique: June - September 1989
6. Republic: August 1992 - Ferbruary 1993?
7. Get Ready: October 1999 - 2001
8. Waiting for the Sirens' Call: 2003-2004.

It's odd that we have all Joy Division session dates and none of New Order. Discuss.

Technique sessions were throughout the summer of 1988... Writing sessions for Republic were started in april 1991... http://www.flickr.com/photos/56516867@N04/5518522508/in/set-72157626246022370/

The Paradise Man wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: I've always tried to figure out when New Order album sessions took place, and I always had a contradicting information on the subject.

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.
2. Power, Corruption & Lies: Winter 1983. Or was it October 1982?
3. Low-Life: The end of 1984?
4. Brotherhood: The spring and summer 1986?
5. Technique: June - September 1989
6. Republic: August 1992 - Ferbruary 1993?
7. Get Ready: October 1999 - 2001
8. Waiting for the Sirens' Call: 2003-2004.

It's odd that we have all Joy Division session dates and none of New Order. Discuss.

Technique sessions were throughout the summer of 1988... Writing sessions for Republic were started in april 1991... http://www.flickr.com/photos/56516867@N04/5518522508/in/set-72157626246022370/

Yeah I meant 1988, of course, for Technique. That letter you put the link to is interesting. They got together to "practice", but the real recording session surely didn't start well into 1992... Right?

johnny james wrote:

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.

Definitely nothing in 1980, they were still writing some of the tracks up until March 1981.

I got this info about 1980 from the Mojo article (July 2011) on Movement: "Recorded piecemeal from late 1980 to mid-1981, the transitional Movement would be..."

The January 1981 Peel session gives us 4 songs in a completed shape, as they would appear on Movement.

But then the Dave Thompson book says it was recorded within two weeks at Strawberry.

I think they would have more likely block booked Strawberry and done the lot in a short window rather than done a bit here and there. The place was expensive back then.

Doesn't that True Faith book have recording dates in it? Mine is in storage, so I can't verify that for sure right now.

condemnation wrote: Doesn't that True Faith book have recording dates in it? Mine is in storage, so I can't verify that for sure right now.

Nope, it doesn't. I have it in front of me.

The Paradise Man wrote:

|| | ||| 6217|| 8 || 3 wrote: I've always tried to figure out when New Order album sessions took place, and I always had a contradicting information on the subject.

1. Movement: From the end of 1980 to the summer 1981. Or it was merely two weeks sometime in July/August 1981.
2. Power, Corruption & Lies: Winter 1983. Or was it October 1982?
3. Low-Life: The end of 1984?
4. Brotherhood: The spring and summer 1986?
5. Technique: June - September 1989
6. Republic: August 1992 - Ferbruary 1993?
7. Get Ready: October 1999 - 2001
8. Waiting for the Sirens' Call: 2003-2004.

It's odd that we have all Joy Division session dates and none of New Order. Discuss.

Technique sessions were throughout the summer of 1988... Writing sessions for Republic were started in april 1991... http://www.flickr.com/photos/56516867@N04/5518522508/in/set-72157626246022370/

So 'Republic' seemed like it perhaps started off ok with rehearsing etc and band input, but certainly doesn't end that way. The album doesn't sound like it's something created by four people rehearsing and writing together.

I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order. I think perhaps it is over produced. Bernard 'Mr Perfectionist' spending far too long overbubbing. You have to remember that it was due for release in 1992 but due to the collapse of Factory it was delayed.... I remember!! So it was messed with in production. It also has mainstream connotations with being connected to a major label and the music and artwork is commercial. What would it have sounded like if Factory had released it?

I believe Brotherhood was the fastest ever that New Order wrote, recorded, mixed, produced and released an album - coming just 14 months after Low-Life.

johnny james wrote: I think they would have more likely block booked Strawberry and done the lot in a short window rather than done a bit here and there. The place was expensive back then.

So it was in April 1981? And then they moved to Marcus Studio in London in May to mix it, right? Then why did it take 6 months to release it?

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I believe Brotherhood was the fastest ever that New Order wrote, recorded, mixed, produced and released an album - coming just 14 months after Low-Life.

Technique took 4 months, from writing songs to the final mix. It was fast, too. I don't know what happened to New Order in 1999-2004 that prompted them record one album for several years.

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johnny james wrote: I think they would have more likely block booked Strawberry and done the lot in a short window rather than done a bit here and there. The place was expensive back then.

So it was in April 1981? And then they moved to Marcus Studio in London in May to mix it, right? Then why did it take 6 months to release it?

They wanted all the Joy Division releases to be out the way first (which they were also working on at the time) 'Still' then start wtih New Order 'Movement'.

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7. Get Ready: October 1999 - 2001 (Brutal was recorded in October 1999, being the first fruit of their

Re: Brutal, the completed mix would have been October 99, but I have demos of the track dating from 29 and 30 September 99.

It's anal I know, but you seem to want it pretty precise.

The demos [which you may well have] feature a slightly different version, it has a different chorus and structure, so they were obviously still working on it at this point, making October like you mentioned or maybe November 99 a good guess.

Besides Hookys letter, I recall reading Bernard saying that work had begun on Republic in 1991 as well. Probably true as it was due in 92 not 93, and you still had the releases of The Other Two album, the new Revenge EP and 2 Electronic singles to get out the way.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: I believe Brotherhood was the fastest ever that New Order wrote, recorded, mixed, produced and released an album - coming just 14 months after Low-Life.

Still wasn't ready for original planned release date.

johnny wrote: Aye, often wondered when the Low Life sessions were. September 1984 to late 84 / early 85 i would imagine, dunno. I remember in Melody Maker in September 84 there was a small news item about them recording The Perfect Kiss and having to re do it (9 times or something) repeatedly before they got it right.

P,C & L would have been late 82/ early 83?

Brotherhood in summer 86?

Technique we all know about.

Get Ready late 2000/ early 2001?

Hooky said that Perfect Kiss needed 6 months to be written and produced.

The Paradise Man wrote: I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order.

Think it was Bernard who told that in a MTV New Order special interview (Past, Present & Future)

The Paradise Man wrote: I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order. I think perhaps it is over produced. Bernard 'Mr Perfectionist' spending far too long overbubbing. You have to remember that it was due for release in 1992 but due to the collapse of Factory it was delayed.... I remember!! So it was messed with in production. It also has mainstream connotations with being connected to a major label and the music and artwork is commercial. What would it have sounded like if Factory had released it?

Proxy or privy?

I don't think it sounds disjointed. I believe they just weren't firing on all their creative cylinders at the time. Whether we knew their work on the album was being delayed by meetings (they were) or not, the resulting tracks would still sound the same.

I don't lay the blame entirely on Hague. His work on the True Faith/1963 single was fine and I rate his Twelve Inch of Round & Round as one of the most tasteful, least dated sounding of all the bands remixes. I just think it was a difficult period for the band.

Andy wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order. I think perhaps it is over produced. Bernard 'Mr Perfectionist' spending far too long overbubbing. You have to remember that it was due for release in 1992 but due to the collapse of Factory it was delayed.... I remember!! So it was messed with in production. It also has mainstream connotations with being connected to a major label and the music and artwork is commercial. What would it have sounded like if Factory had released it?

Proxy or privy?

I don't think it sounds disjointed. I believe they just weren't firing on all their creative cylinders at the time. Whether we knew their work on the album was being delayed by meetings (they were) or not, the resulting tracks would still sound the same.

I don't lay the blame entirely on Hague. His work on the True Faith/1963 single was fine and I rate his Twelve Inch of Round & Round as one of the most tasteful, least dated sounding of all the bands remixes. I just think it was a difficult period for the band.

Definitely think that they had burned out a bit during Republic. Technique was such a high water mark, a celebratory and confident release. And Bernard got to bask in the sun twice when the debut Electronic lp won rave reviews and sold well. That's a rare feat for a group's main songwriter, so I wouldn't be surprised if he personally felt Republic to be a burdensome album to complete.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order.

Think it was Bernard who told that in a MTV New Order special interview (Past, Present & Future)

He may well have done but Hooky said it too, perhaps in NME or on one of the many TV interviews from the period.

Andy wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: I'm a firm believer in the notion that Republic is a great new order album and if we hadn't all been proxy to the problems with Factory Records at the time then we wouldn't even associate it as being a disjointed album. Peter Hook at the time said it was classic New Order. I think perhaps it is over produced. Bernard 'Mr Perfectionist' spending far too long overbubbing. You have to remember that it was due for release in 1992 but due to the collapse of Factory it was delayed.... I remember!! So it was messed with in production. It also has mainstream connotations with being connected to a major label and the music and artwork is commercial. What would it have sounded like if Factory had released it?

Proxy or privy?

I don't think it sounds disjointed. I believe they just weren't firing on all their creative cylinders at the time. Whether we knew their work on the album was being delayed by meetings (they were) or not, the resulting tracks would still sound the same.

I don't lay the blame entirely on Hague. His work on the True Faith/1963 single was fine and I rate his Twelve Inch of Round & Round as one of the most tasteful, least dated sounding of all the bands remixes. I just think it was a difficult period for the band.

Yes privy, slip of the keypad.

Movement was between January/June 1981, according to the book An Ideal For Living . Hannett said it was recorded in 'hiccups'...

PC&L was recorded in October 1982, recorded at Britannia Row, London. 'Lonesome Tonight', not released until April 1984, was recorded at these sessions...

'Confusion', early 1983.

Low Life was 1984, but not sure exact dates.

'State of The Nation' was 1984, endlessly remixed until it's release in late 1986. 'Shame of The Nation' equally 1985.

'Brotherhood' was 1985, at various studios.

'Technique' was mid/late 1988.

'Republic' - Too long!!!

Factory had a terrible problem getting product out on time, whether it was New Order or other artists. Stuff would often be recorded, and left for an age. 'Thieves Like Us' was delayed for many months, for example, because of another late Saville sleeve. 'Brotherhood' was the last album I believe that New Order recorded relatively cheaply. After that, they costed a bloody fortune!

komakino wrote: Movement was between January/June 1981, according to the book An Ideal For Living . Hannett said it was recorded in 'hiccups'...

PC&L was recorded in October 1982, recorded at Britannia Row, London. 'Lonesome Tonight', not released until April 1984, was recorded at these sessions...

'Confusion', early 1983.

Low Life was 1984, but not sure exact dates.

'State of The Nation' was 1984, endlessly remixed until it's release in late 1986. 'Shame of The Nation' equally 1985.

'Brotherhood' was 1985, at various studios.

'Technique' was mid/late 1988.

'Republic' - Too long!!!

Factory had a terrible problem getting product out on time, whether it was New Order or other artists. Stuff would often be recorded, and left for an age. 'Thieves Like Us' was delayed for many months, for example, because of another late Saville sleeve. 'Brotherhood' was the last album I believe that New Order recorded relatively cheaply. After that, they costed a bloody fortune!

Are you sure 'Lonesome Tonight' is from the PCL sessions? The production sounds pretty different, especially the drum sound. In the play at home broadcast from summer '83, it seemed like they were still working out 'Lonesome Tonight' a little bit.

However, I did read somewhere that 'Murder' originated from the PCL sessions.

komakino wrote: Movement was between January/June 1981, according to the book An Ideal For Living . Hannett said it was recorded in 'hiccups'...

PC&L was recorded in October 1982, recorded at Britannia Row, London. 'Lonesome Tonight', not released until April 1984, was recorded at these sessions...

'Confusion', early 1983.

Low Life was 1984, but not sure exact dates.

'State of The Nation' was 1984, endlessly remixed until it's release in late 1986. 'Shame of The Nation' equally 1985.

'Brotherhood' was 1985, at various studios.

'Technique' was mid/late 1988.

'Republic' - Too long!!!

Factory had a terrible problem getting product out on time, whether it was New Order or other artists. Stuff would often be recorded, and left for an age. 'Thieves Like Us' was delayed for many months, for example, because of another late Saville sleeve. 'Brotherhood' was the last album I believe that New Order recorded relatively cheaply. After that, they costed a bloody fortune!

State of the Nation was recorded in Tokyo in 1985. Same visit as Shinjyuku Koseinenkin Hall shows (Pumped Full of Drugs).

komakino wrote:

'Confusion', early 1983.

'State of The Nation' was 1984, endlessly remixed until it's release in late 1986. 'Shame of The Nation' equally 1985.

'Brotherhood' was 1985, at various studios.

I always thought Confusion was recorded in July 1983 with Arthur Baker in New York.

I read that State of The Nation was recorded in May 1985 in Japan and then mixed at home.

Some songs from Brotherhood were not performed until mid-1986, but the album was recorded in 1985, including Bizarre Love Triangle?

Heck, it's all confusing

komakino wrote:

PC&L was recorded in October 1982, recorded at Britannia Row, London. 'Lonesome Tonight', not released until April 1984, was recorded at these sessions...

Really? That's surely incorrect.

komakino wrote:

'Confusion', early 1983.

More like summer 83, surely?

komakino wrote:

'State of The Nation' was 1984,

Doubt that. Don't think it was recorded that way back. More like 85

komakino wrote:

'Brotherhood' was 1985

Bollocks was it!

JV wrote:

I did read somewhere that 'Murder' originated from the PCL sessions.

Correct.

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komakino wrote:

'Confusion', early 1983.

'State of The Nation' was 1984, endlessly remixed until it's release in late 1986. 'Shame of The Nation' equally 1985.

'Brotherhood' was 1985, at various studios.

I always thought Confusion was recorded in July 1983 with Arthur Baker in New York.

I read that State of The Nation was recorded in May 1985 in Japan and then mixed at home.

Some songs from Brotherhood were not performed until mid-1986, but the album was recorded in 1985, including Bizarre Love Triangle?

Heck, it's all confusing

I also don't believe 'Lonesome tonight' is from the PCL sessions, sounds totally different to me as well, 'Murder' was.

'Shame of the Nation' was done in Tokyo in 1985, 'State of the Nation' was recorded in the U.K, not exactly sure when.

New Order had been playing 'Brotherhood' songs in 1985, but I don't think they would have started recording due to the masssive amount of touring they were doing that year.