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Watched Reading 98 DVD last night.
Sorry guys, irrespective of the politics, name calling and general silliness, on stage all four members exude their own 'presence' and Hooky is no exeption.
Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert.
Thats yer New Order, anything less is, well, less.
Im done.
Gene wrote: Watched Reading 98 DVD last night.
Sorry guys, irrespective of the politics, name calling and general silliness, on stage all four members exude their own 'presence' and Hooky is no exeption.
Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert.
Thats yer New Order, anything less is, well, less.
Im done.
Another fan who sees the light....
Gene wrote: Watched Reading 98 DVD last night.
Sorry guys, irrespective of the politics, name calling and general silliness, on stage all four members exude their own 'presence' and Hooky is no exeption.
Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert.
Thats yer New Order, anything less is, well, less.
Im done.
And the Award for Stating the Bleeding Obvious goes to... . 
I don't think anyone here is going to disagree with you. This is, of course, neworderonline.
Unfortunately, back in the real world, seems that foursome is no longer a reality. Such is life.
You say that but, based on several posts on this here New Order Online, alot of fans think swapping Peter Hook for A.N. Other Bass Player makes no difference at all. Or to put it another way they'd put up with any old shit just so's they can hear True Faith live one more time. I cant get my head round that.
So I wasnt done after all. Meh.
Gene wrote: You say that but, based on several posts on this here New Order Online, alot of fans think swapping Peter Hook for A.N. Other Bass Player makes no difference at all. Or to put it another way they'd put up with any old shit just so's they can hear True Faith live one more time. I cant get my head round that.
So I wasnt done after all. Meh.
Which is bollocks really, innit.
I don't think any of the lot heading over to Brussels / Paris are the types who just want to 'hear True Faith live one more time'.
Well, I used True Faith as an example of the sort of songs that are popular. I wasnt being literal. Substitute that for the words "some New Order songs" then. And, look, its fair enough. Its just a couple of gigs, could even be a full tour and its still fair enough that people want to go, enough people go to other diluted bands' gigs. I just thought more people would think New Order without Hooky wasnt New Order, its not like someone from The Killers being replaced.
But I was wrong.
Gene wrote: You say that but, based on several posts on this here New Order Online, alot of fans think swapping Peter Hook for A.N. Other Bass Player makes no difference at all. Or to put it another way they'd put up with any old shit just so's they can hear True Faith live one more time. I cant get my head round that.
So I wasnt done after all. Meh.
Not sure anyone actually thinks that, to be honest. If there's anyone on here that wouldn't prefer if Hooky were in the band, I've not read it.
I think it comes down to two points of view: Hooky was either a very important element of NO, or Hooky defines NO. Some probably think one or the other, I'd bet many are waiting to see what these gigs are like...
Gene wrote: Well, I used True Faith as an example of the sort of songs that are popular. I wasnt being literal. Substitute that for the words "some New Order songs" then. And, look, its fair enough. Its just a couple of gigs, could even be a full tour and its still fair enough that people want to go, enough people go to other diluted bands' gigs. I just thought more people would think New Order without Hooky wasnt New Order, its not like someone from The Killers being replaced.
At the end of the day I'd imagine the people doing these two gigs are, in the main, the same people who did the Gillian-out gigs, and the same people who pre-dated those with the original four-piece gigs.
I haven't seen anyone on here saying, "I would definitely have gone to see this, but I'm not going now because Hooky isn't there." Or if someone has been saying that, I've missed it.
This 'My New Order is better than Your New Order' stuff is a tad lame, especially when I don't think anyone going to these gigs does genuinely see this as the New Order, but a charming hybrid instead, and one which does at least deserve a chance to be heard.
El Jarvo wrote: This 'My New Order is better than Your New Order' stuff is a tad lame, especially when I don't think anyone going to these gigs does genuinely see this as the New Order, but a charming hybrid instead, and one which does at least deserve a chance to be heard.
True enough. Not sure why Hooky-less New Order sticks in my craw so much. I dont do Favourite Bands so its not like Im too close to be objective. Im trying to think of a relevant example of a band member leaving but it not making such a difference to me, like that happy looking poster who keeps trying to compare this to The Cure (!).
I wasnt arsed when Newstead left Metallica, when Wilder left Depeche Mode, when the Mondays reformed, the list goes on but Im even boring myself now.
Again, reiterating what other people have said, I don't think there's a single person on these boards who wouldn't prefer to see Hooky playing with them in October. But my personal point of view is, Hooky left the band unilaterally and of his own accord, so he shouldn't have the right to deny the rest of them to continue on as New Order if they so please. To do so is egotistical and arrogant. Even if it isn't in the eyes of some the 'true' New Order, the fault of that lies with Hooky and not the rest. It's up to him to apologise and make up with them, not to them to go out of their way to welcome him back into the fold when he's done nothing but slate them publically over the last four years.
I have to say if it was all Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert playing next month, then I would probably have been swayed to take some time off to see them... Not so much a case of NOT going to something I would normally have gone to because Hooky wasn't involved, but the appeal of NO sans Hooky is definitely less...
Snorri xxx
I'd have gone if they were gigging in England. Not even Hooky could tempt me to the continent. Get ya priorities right guys. Manchester Apollo '11/12?
It just looked realyy ugly, one moment you had the obligatory avi picture with Hooky, the other moment people claiming he was never that important anyway. Not right now or recently, but never.
Snorrimon wrote: I have to say if it was all Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert playing next month, then I would probably have been swayed to take some time off to see them...
Okay, that's one out the closet. Who's next?
Who would have gone hypothetically, but won't just cos Hooky's not there.
El Jarvo wrote: This 'My New Order is better than Your New Order' stuff is a tad lame
Quite.
According to some on here the four piece Cunningham/Hook/Morris/Sumner band I saw nine times between 2001 and 2006 was not really New Order.
So I guess I've never seen New Order. Oh well.
There was me thinking that I had.
I'm not going to Paris and Brussels because can't afford it right now and haven't got time off work. Would go and see New Order without Hooky if they play UK.
johnny wrote: I'm not going to Paris and Brussels because can't afford it right now and haven't got time off work.
Answer the question, Johnny.
Would you have conjured up the money if Hooky had been there though? 
El Jarvo wrote:
johnny wrote: I'm not going to Paris and Brussels because can't afford it right now and haven't got time off work.
Answer the question, Johnny.
Would you have conjured up the money if Hooky had been there though?
Ah right, would i have gone if Hooky had been there? Probably still no. If Hooky had rejoined them i'd presume they'd do UK dates at some point. So i'd wait for that
But as it's just two gigs for charity they would maybe not do any further dates (even if Hooky was wiv em) so if i wanted to see them i'd have to get over to Paris & Belgium. Still wouldn't actually.Other stuff on me plate these days
NotAMod wrote:
El Jarvo wrote: This 'My New Order is better than Your New Order' stuff is a tad lame
Quite.
According to some on here the four piece Cunningham/Hook/Morris/Sumner band I saw nine times between 2001 and 2006 was not really New Order.
So I guess I've never seen New Order. Oh well.
There was me thinking that I had.
For this reason I send sincere commiserations, you have missed one of the wonders of the world! :p
On a lighter note, I think Gene's just come up with the title for Hooky's autobiography in the thread subject.
johnny wrote: But as it's just two gigs for charity they would maybe not do any further dates (even if Hooky was wiv em) so if i wanted to see them i'd have to get over to Paris & Belgium.
This might be all we get ... haven't you heard the news? 
I agree that it's not truly New Order without Hooky. I will never argue that Hooky wasn't a crucial element of the band. That would be ridiculous. You have to have that distinctive bass in the mix. Hooky is important to New Order.
But so is Gillian, and no less so IMHO.
El Jarvo wrote:
Snorrimon wrote: I have to say if it was all Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert playing next month, then I would probably have been swayed to take some time off to see them...
Okay, that's one out the closet. Who's next?
Who would have gone hypothetically, but won't just cos Hooky's not there.
To be fair, it was that or Re:Order a few days before, although I'm now wondering if I should boycott that as well, seeing as it's not the original line-up... 
Snorri xxx
johnny wrote: Yeah i might go to Re:Order at Northampton Roadmender, short trek for me
If I stay at my folks afterwards, nice easy train ride... 
Should be good... Unless they decide to play Never Cry Another Tear in its entirity... 
Snorri xxx
Just saw this on the Inspirals' wikipedia:
In February 2011, Tom Hingley announced on Twitter that the Inspirals had split up. Clint Boon responded "Inspiral Carpets have not split up. It appears that one member has chosen to leave"[3]. In August 2011 they announced a reunion with original singer Stephen Holt.
Heard it all before?
indiearchivist wrote: Just saw this on the Inspirals' wikipedia:
In February 2011, Tom Hingley announced on Twitter that the Inspirals had split up. Clint Boon responded "Inspiral Carpets have not split up. It appears that one member has chosen to leave"[3]. In August 2011 they announced a reunion with original singer Stephen Holt.
Heard it all before?
Interesting... 
Snorrimon wrote:
El Jarvo wrote:
Snorrimon wrote: I have to say if it was all Sumner/Hook/Morris/Gilbert playing next month, then I would probably have been swayed to take some time off to see them...
Okay, that's one out the closet. Who's next?
Who would have gone hypothetically, but won't just cos Hooky's not there.
To be fair, it was that or Re:Order a few days before, although I'm now wondering if I should boycott that as well, seeing as it's not the original line-up...
Snorri xxx
indiearchivist wrote: Just saw this on the Inspirals' wikipedia:
In February 2011, Tom Hingley announced on Twitter that the Inspirals had split up. Clint Boon responded "Inspiral Carpets have not split up. It appears that one member has chosen to leave"[3]. In August 2011 they announced a reunion with original singer Stephen Holt.
Heard it all before?
Yeah, all very odd. Have spent a bit of time over the last few years in communication with Tom Hingley and I got the distinct impression that he wanted to tour but that the others didn't because of other commitments. However, the interview that they have done with John Robb (here: http://louderthanwar.com/blogs/exclusive-interview-with-new-inspiral-carpets-line-up) seems to somewhat contradict that!
