Brussels Setlist

ELEGIA (!) CRYSTAL REGRET CEREMONY AGE OF CONSENT (!) LOVE VIGILANTES KRAFTY 1963 (!) BLT TRUE FAITH 586 (!) THE PERFECT KISS TEMPTATION

BLUE MONDAY

LWTUA

Merci ! J'espère que demain soir ils joueront Elegia et 1963 !

WOW!

What was the stage set up like?

Would have been perfect without Krafty. How was the bass playing?

Anything on youtube yet?

Wasnt sure what to make of this gig but that set has got me feeling new orderish again. Wonder if it will be different in Paris?

Some preliminary shaky tidbits on youtube. 586 sounds great though.

Temptation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2vpC6GSuDl0

Temptation!

Gillian is now occupying the left of the stage, the place occupied by Peter Hook during almost 30 years... Barney's singing was often out of tune... as it was years ago

They only made one mistake : playing a JD song.

Tom Chapman is a good bass player-minus Hooky's violence.

Finally, it would be perfect if Paris' setlist could be completly different from the Brussels' one

The bloke in the crowd ruins this by singing along.

wow, just wow 12 hours to go.ish

get ready

Great set list, really wish I could have made it, hopefully this is a sign of things to come with mixing up the set list a but. Can't wait for English dates now, if there are any!

Moka wrote:

They only made one mistake : playing a JD song.

Hard to miss Barney's quip "Are we allowed to play Joy Division any more?"

It all seems very quiet...audience clearly audible even in the middle of songs. I know fuck all about smartphone mics though, so I must ask.....was it all a little quiet?

M1 wrote:

Moka wrote:

They only made one mistake : playing a JD song.

Hard to miss Barney's quip "Are we allowed to play Joy Division any more?"

Moka wrote: Gillian is now occupying the left of the stage, the place occupied by Peter Hook during almost 30 years... Barney's singing was often out of tune... as it was years ago

They only made one mistake : playing a JD song.

Tom Chapman is a good bass player-minus Hooky's violence.

Finally, it would be perfect if Paris' setlist could be completly different from the Brussels' one

You're wrong. They played two JD songs. The other one is Ceremony of course. Don't blame Bernard for playing those fabulous JD songs

Ger Boy wrote: The bloke in the crowd ruins this by singing along. Plus whoever up loaded it obviously didn't know it was played all the time on the 1989 Technique tour.

Did you observe that they projected the 1963 video on the screen during the song? Very nice indeed

This is Ceremony, a Joy Division song

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Oofuyl6Tg_8

I like the key change for LWTUA.

Wow- awesome setlist!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shakespier/6255522970/in/set-772746/

Awesome! Gillian & Barney playing synth together just like the old days!

Tons of clips here (some already posted above, but a few extra):

http://consequenceofsound.net/2011/10/video-new-order-reunites-in-brussels-performs-15-song-set/

When did he ditch the autocue? Thank god.

MySentimentalMelody wrote: When did he ditch the autocue? Thank god.

He didn't...

patrik forssell wrote:

MySentimentalMelody wrote: When did he ditch the autocue? Thank god.

He didn't...

Looking at some vids on YouTube, he's not staring at it the whole time (such as during an entire song without looking towards audience or something), so I'd say he used it subtly (at least to some extent).

'm going to carry on pretending that this isn't happening and I'm not actually sat at work suffering from man flu while Age Of F'in Consent and 586 are being resurrected and (by all accounts) the C'Mon quota has been substantially reduced... Chances of a completely new setlist in Paris? They're bound to play Procession...

Snorri xxx

leather_girl wrote:

patrik forssell wrote:

MySentimentalMelody wrote: When did he ditch the autocue? Thank god.

He didn't...

Looking at some vids on YouTube, he's not staring at it the whole time (such as during an entire song without looking towards audience or something), so I'd say he used it subtly (at least to some extent).

yes you're right! much better now more harmonic maybe it looks so..

Ger Boy wrote: The bloke in the crowd ruins this by singing along.

I was standing at the same side of the stage as the person filming this,(I wasn't singing along),I would have liked to have heard more of Gillians keyboards on this one,also,they played it after Bernard had earlier responded to a request to play it by saying that New Order would never again play 1963 as long as he is in the band,he also later on made a joking reference to being a "Twat". I could see two autocues on the left and right of where Bernard was standing but he didn't seem to resort to them much,as for the atmosphere,I thought it was pretty euphoric especially when they played those songs from PCL,they began with a truncated version of Elegia which was a surprise. True Faith was a rebooted version which reminded me of the Morning Sun remix but I would like to hear it again to be sure. Tom Chapman seemed nervous at the start and stood further back on the stage than the others but I think his confidence grew as the set proceeded and he come forward eventually and by the time of The Perfect Kiss was getting well in to it, I don't think his playing could be faulted,and he does add some much needed height to the line up:) Gillians finest moment for me was the solo towards the end of 586 and it is indeed a welcome return for her.. The DJ beforehand helped get the atmosphere going by playing tracks such as Voodoo Ray and Expo 2000 amongst others. I wouldn't be surprised if they played something off Technique in tonights Paris gig as that album wasn't revisited in the Brussels gig, that's just my guess.. T-Shirts at the gig cost 25 Euro and to piss at the AB would set you back 40 cent for each visit to the toilets Finally, Bernard did go on his knees during BLT which looked a bit painful but he did manage to get up again unaided..

Ger Boy wrote:

I could swear that I saw David Sultan right in front of the stage taking pictures on this video

Moka wrote: Gillian is now occupying the left of the stage, the place occupied by Peter Hook during almost 30 years...

I have to wonder if that was done as a jab at Hooky.

Wow...

After watching numerous high quality clips of New Order performing Elegia,Crystal, Krafty, Age of Consent, 1963, True Faith, BLT, 586, Perfect Kiss, Temptation, and Blue Monday, I will say this...

Bernard and Company put a LOT of work into this show....from resurrecting 586 (which sounds AMAZING) and Elegia to playing new versions of Krafty, True Faith, and Temptation (all of these tracks had new, extended intros and outros), to rocking out on Age of Consent (whoever thought they would hear THAT again?) to the really impressive video projections...I would say this is the best that New Order have looked and sounded in YEARS.

Now that Gillian is back, New Order have a proper Keyboard player again and hearing the synths on Crystal, Krafty, and Regret being played live as opposed to being sequenced sounds a million times better. True Faith, which features both Phil and Gillian playing live keyboards, sounds amazing, the best it has sounded since the late 80's. She plays the keyboards beautifully and this element of the band sounds the best that it has in years.

Blue Monday sounds awesome too, lot's of nice work from Steve, Gillian, and Phil, with Phil playing Hooky's drum pad parts (as he also does on TPK) it sounds really great.

Watching Bernard perform is great. He is actually PERFORMING, singing to the crowd, making hand gestures, dancing, this is the happiest and most into it he has looked in a long time.

As a matter of fact, all them play really well and seem really happy to have New Order back. Tom Chapman plays Hooky's bass parts perfectly with adding his own bits here and there, and the does not try to be Hooky onstage. Hooky is missed, but it works.

With Phil and Gillian both playing keyboards, and the heavy dose of dance numbers in the setlist, it seems like New Order have rediscovered their dance side, and they sound a lot better for it. Hooky always said he preferred to play the rockier stuff while Bernard preferred the dancier stuff....this is DANCE New Order and they sound fucking brilliant. I can totally see them headlining the dance festival in Brazil with a set like this.

Also, did anyone notice that Elegia is played totally live, with no sequencing? 1963 sounds totally live as well. With Gillian playing keyboards on just about every song, seems like the sequenced parts are now just mostly electronic bass and drums.

Again, I have to say I like the new versions of Krafty, Temptation, True Faith, and Crystal a lot, and all of the songs sound fantastic. The Perfect Kiss really rocks...

I think that, based on the amount of work they put into this, New Order are back. I expect they will do some UK dates and tour the US. And if they can make a new Electro heavy album that captures the essence of this show, I say bring it on.

Like everyone, I wish Hooky were onstage, but the situation is what it is, so I say bring on new New Order.

Doctor? wrote: It all seems very quiet...audience clearly audible even in the middle of songs. I know fuck all about smartphone mics though, so I must ask.....was it all a little quiet?

I could see the mixing desk and the decibel level was always reading between 96-102 db when things were going full blast.

If someone can tell Phil that every New Order song would sound better without shedloads of widdly-woo guitar, that would be perfect.

It feels like a rebirth : as exciting as 1998 was.

Zachery Starkey wrote: Wow...

I think that, based on the amount of work they put into this, New Order are back. I expect they will do some UK dates and tour the US. And if they can make a new Electro heavy album that captures the essence of this show, I say bring it on.

I thought the same. there's no way they can leave it at two shows given the effort put in and how well it was received (certainly in Brussels and I doubt they'll have any trouble in Paris.

As an aside I did think the DJ was shit though, mixing wasn't his strong suit

Zachery Starkey wrote: I would say this is the best that New Order have looked and sounded in YEARS.

Seconded.

I'm so sad I missed the show, but thank God for YouTube.

So Phil took over Hooky's "octopad"

Skullcrushed wrote: Awesome! Gillian & Barney playing synth together just like the old days!

I loved the way Barney steams over to Gillians keyboard, does his part and sods off. Was Gillian invisible?

Watched the ig last night on you tube, it sounded fantasitc, really pleased they played tracks off PC&L. Crystal sounded a littel weak but aprt from that brilliant Can't wait for a UK tour, The whole of the band looked like they really enjoyed it. Just need to ressurrect a few tracks off Technique. ...happy days oh happy days

Housey wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: I would say this is the best that New Order have looked and sounded in YEARS.

Seconded.

I'm so sad I missed the show, but thank God for YouTube.

I agree too.

Also, I saw this on James Brown's Twitter account (the guy who used to write for NME):

@davesimps0n @johnnygiles old bean these are totally new versions done with Stuart price . They sound like a new band.

Link to tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/jamesjamesbrown/status/126200495919476736

Is this true or just a guess?

El Jarvo wrote: This obviously isn't something which the remaining members of New Order have simply conjured up in two minutes - what, a benefit gig for Shamberg next month? We'll try and rustle something up... This is obviously something which has been worked on for a while, right from the visuals (each track now has it's own montage to tootle along in the background), and the tracks themselves - the resurrection of Elegia, 586, etc, and the reworkings of the openings of True Faith and Temptation (why they've done that to the latter I really don't know). This has obviously been in the pipeline for quite some time.

Yep. They are hitting the road. This was the test drive.

El Jarvo wrote: the reworkings of the openings of True Faith and Temptation (why they've done that to the latter I really don't know).

I did notice on that track though they appeared to have sampled some of the synth sounds from the original 12", which is cool.

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Watching Bernard perform is great. He is actually PERFORMING, singing to the crowd, making hand gestures, dancing, this is the happiest and most into it he has looked in a long time.

From what i saw on YouTube...

Personally i preferred him when he was pissed on stage and abusing the audience; Cologne 2001 for example " You having a good time here in Cologne? Don't fucking look like it, You better sort your fucking lives out" "Do you like dance music? No? Do you like marching music?"

Just to remind that this band is called Neil Order. But I like it anyway New Order is the one with Hooky on bass

If they do some UK gigs I am gonna go, ahhh the 80's singing to Gillian 'get yer tits out for the lads' happy times :-)

Unlike you to lower the tone, Mike

NO Regret wrote:

I loved the way Barney steams over to Gillians keyboard, does his part and sods off. Was Gillian invisible?

I thought he did it with an attitude of affection towards her, as he always does. I always thought that Bernard seemed fond of Gillian. She seems like such a sweet, laid person, I cannot imagine anyone disliking her.

On another note, it's great that Bernard finally found someone to give him a good haircut and a good fade again! he'd mentioned recently that his long time barber had died so he couldn't find anyone to do a proper fade (or Barney Cut haha).

leather_girl wrote:

Housey wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: I would say this is the best that New Order have looked and sounded in YEARS.

Seconded.

I'm so sad I missed the show, but thank God for YouTube.

I agree too.

Also, I saw this on James Brown's Twitter account (the guy who used to write for NME):

@davesimps0n @johnnygiles old bean these are totally new versions done with Stuart price . They sound like a new band.

Link to tweet: http://twitter.com/#!/jamesjamesbrown/status/126200495919476736

Is this true or just a guess?

I wouldn't be surprised if Stuart Price has assisted with programming the new versions of the songs, as he and Bernard are friends and enjoy working together.

I think that NO are definitely back...what's more..

I think that NO had record company support for this gig. Having a fancy light show like that is not cheap, and New Order have had fantastic light shows since 1989 at least, compare that with the Bad Loo shows, the first round of which had great light shows but the second round of which did not (because they were not signed to a label and probably didn't have enough money). Video projections that like don't come cheap either....

I think that NO had record company backing for these shows, and this leads to believe that...

The electronic solo album that Bernard was making with Stuart Price, along with the second BL album that Price was also supposedly working on has probably been morphed into a a new New Order album. With a new NO record produced by a very current and hip Producer, one could see a record company getting behind New Order again.

I think that they have probably been secretly planning this since late Winter...it is even entirely possible that when Bad Loo played FOM, they knew it would be their last show as BL.

They have done these shows to help Shamberg, and also to test the waters for a new New Order lineup...given that the response and reviews have been nothing but positive and that they sound the best that they have in a while, I think they will probably move forward.

I am glad that they only played one JD song. They didn't even need to. I have always felt that New Order were musically superior to JD, and it irked me to see them playing 5 JD songs a set. I am glad they seem comfortable just being NO again.

johnny wrote: Unlike you to lower the tone, Mike

Cheers Dude !

Zachery Starkey wrote: The electronic solo album that Bernard was making with Stuart Price, along with the second BL album that Price was also supposedly working on has probably been morphed into a a new New Order album. With a new NO record produced by a very current and hip Producer, one could see a record company getting behind New Order again.

I was just thinking "hmm, I wonder if this is why the Stuart Price stuff was shelved" and I think you're on to something here. One can only hope!

I am glad that they only played one JD song. They didn't even need to. I have always felt that New Order were musically superior to JD, and it irked me to see them playing 5 JD songs a set. I am glad they seem comfortable just being NO again.

I don't think one is superior to the other-- they're apples and oranges for me-- but I agree that the JD stuff was getting really old. It felt like they were almost saying 'sorry about the whole New Order thing, here's New Dawn Fades again.' They shouldn't chuck the JD stuff entirely, but I'd love to see them do (a couple of) JD songs with a very NO updated twist. Example: Isolation at Reading 98. Better than the original IMHO.

Joking aside, it was great to see the clips on youtube. some great new versions of old classics. would love to hear 586 in full.

NO Regret wrote: Joking aside, it was great to see the clips on youtube. some great new versions of old classics. would love to hear 586 in full.

Enjoy sir. :)

Housey wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: The electronic solo album that Bernard was making with Stuart Price, along with the second BL album that Price was also supposedly working on has probably been morphed into a a new New Order album. With a new NO record produced by a very current and hip Producer, one could see a record company getting behind New Order again.

I was just thinking "hmm, I wonder if this is why the Stuart Price stuff was shelved" and I think you're on to something here. One can only hope!

I am glad that they only played one JD song. They didn't even need to. I have always felt that New Order were musically superior to JD, and it irked me to see them playing 5 JD songs a set. I am glad they seem comfortable just being NO again.

I don't think one is superior to the other-- they're apples and oranges for me-- but I agree that the JD stuff was getting really old. It felt like they were almost saying 'sorry about the whole New Order thing, here's New Dawn Fades again.' They shouldn't chuck the JD stuff entirely, but I'd love to see them do (a couple of) JD songs with a very NO updated twist. Example: Isolation at Reading 98. Better than the original IMHO.

Agreed! I mean, I think of JD and NO as the same band, I just think that, musically, they got better with time. Somtimes they sounded great doing JD songs (Transmission, Shadowplay, LWTUA, These Days), other times, not so much. I agree with you, would prefer that if they did JD songs, they revamped them, ala Isolation!

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Housey wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: The electronic solo album that Bernard was making with Stuart Price, along with the second BL album that Price was also supposedly working on has probably been morphed into a a new New Order album. With a new NO record produced by a very current and hip Producer, one could see a record company getting behind New Order again.

I was just thinking "hmm, I wonder if this is why the Stuart Price stuff was shelved" and I think you're on to something here. One can only hope!

I am glad that they only played one JD song. They didn't even need to. I have always felt that New Order were musically superior to JD, and it irked me to see them playing 5 JD songs a set. I am glad they seem comfortable just being NO again.

I don't think one is superior to the other-- they're apples and oranges for me-- but I agree that the JD stuff was getting really old. It felt like they were almost saying 'sorry about the whole New Order thing, here's New Dawn Fades again.' They shouldn't chuck the JD stuff entirely, but I'd love to see them do (a couple of) JD songs with a very NO updated twist. Example: Isolation at Reading 98. Better than the original IMHO.

Agreed! I mean, I think of JD and NO as the same band, I just think that, musically, they got better with time. Somtimes they sounded great doing JD songs (Transmission, Shadowplay, LWTUA, These Days), other times, not so much. I agree with you, would prefer that if they did JD songs, they revamped them, ala Isolation!

Heart & Soul was by far the best. And Atmosphere, when Barney held off the whoops.

Whooping during Atmosphere is just...no.

New Order were at their best until Reading 1993, they usually always played their own songs. During that period, they were barely communicating with the audience, they were tense, aloof, focusing on their music and that made us love them : the music and the attitude. They rarely played JD songs and whenever they did it, they respected the soul of LWTUA, She’s lost control or Atmosphere (no “whoops”, integrity) The miracle of the Paris and Brussels gigs is the improvement achieved on songs such as TPK, True Faith and Temptation. I was looking forward to listen to TPK since Reading 1993 and I was also delighted to listen to Elegia, Love Vigilantes, 1963, AOC and even 586 live again (not totally convinced by 586 though). It nearly recalls me the feeling I had when I first listened to Mr Disco in Lyon in 1989, I never had this feeling when I heard She’s lost control in Paris in 2002 ( vs Orleans 1985). New Order have a repertoire larger enough to make awesome gigs in the future (?) without JD songs. However, I only missed one thing on Monday and Tuesday nights : the aggressiveness and provocation of our beloved bass player Hooky, even if he, without any doubt, would love to play a lot of JD songs. Let’s give the Nobel peace prize to the people who will reunite the original New Order.

http://thequietus.com/articles/07192-new-order-live-review REPORT: New Order Live, No Hooky

Zachery Starkey wrote: I always thought that Bernard seemed fond of Gillian. She seems like such a sweet, laid person, I cannot imagine anyone disliking her.

Aaah, Zacharys got a crush.

Given the choice I would have preferred a song from Technique to LWTUA but they maybe wanted to make a point by playing 1 JD song an leaving it at that.

Moka wrote: Let’s give the Nobel peace prize to the people who will reunite the original New Order.

Wise words

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Moka wrote: Let’s give the Nobel peace prize to the people who will reunite the original New Order.

Wise words

Bollocks to Hook!

Zachery Starkey wrote:

NO Regret wrote: Joking aside, it was great to see the clips on youtube. some great new versions of old classics. would love to hear 586 in full.

Enjoy sir. :)

cheers Dude. I think this is a storming song live. I always thought it was a great song but maybe not developed fully. Ive got PC&L on heavy rotation now.

Really nice performings by them...probably the only way for NO to survive. From a slower and heavy act to a lighter, faster and funnier this way. Enjoy!!

The Paradise Man wrote: How was the bass playing?

AWFUL!!! Why didn't they spend some money on a professional player instead of picking up a street musician?

Bere wrote:

The Paradise Man wrote: How was the bass playing?

AWFUL!!! Why didn't they spend some money on a professional player instead of picking up a street musician?

I suggested Les Pattinson from Echo & The Bunnymen but nothing was done