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Peter Hook Responds To New Order Snub
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Jeeeeeeeeeeeez is he as bitter as Robinsons ale, love the man but he realy needs to let it go, in the mojo interview he had to give it twice cos he thought about the first one overnight,, no chance here.
A life apart.
BREAKING NEWS! FORMER NEW ORDER MEMBER DOESN'T GET ON WITH FORMER BAND MATES!
"I've heard it all before"
Jed Stephens wrote: BREAKING NEWS! FORMER NEW ORDER MEMBER DOESN'T GET ON WITH FORMER BAND MATES!
"I've heard it all before"
I love Hooky and he is right. I can't wait to see The Light again. All you haters need to take a fookin pill for christe's sake. Cheers, John.
If he'd keep his fookin' mouth shut and apologize perhaps he'd be playing Sunrise with Barney and Steve and Gillian and Phil.
"New Order did pioneer something that has become the norm [merging rock and electronica]. But I still think the awesome power of New Order is in songs like "Leave Me Alone", "Age Of Consent" and "Sunrise" - acoustic songs. That takes real balls and I must admit it was one of the things that saddened me about New Lieutenant or Bad Order or whatever they call themselves was that they put songs like "Age Of Consent" through sequencers. When you listen to it it doesn't work - for me at least. Maybe I'm too much of a purist."
Age of Consent was not played thru a sequencer during this last round of New Order dates. What is he talking about?
Also, at least for me, New Order were at their best when combinig pure electronics with live drums, guitar and bass. True Faith and Temptation are, for me, a million miles better than Leave Me Alone, Lonesome Tonight, and other songs of that ilk. Though I do love Sunrise!
According to the Mojo interview, it said that Phil voted for AoC to be played. I suppose they did manage to piss Hooky off.
Zachery Starkey wrote: "New Order did pioneer something that has become the norm [merging rock and electronica]. But I still think the awesome power of New Order is in songs like "Leave Me Alone", "Age Of Consent" and "Sunrise" - acoustic songs. That takes real balls and I must admit it was one of the things that saddened me about New Lieutenant or Bad Order or whatever they call themselves was that they put songs like "Age Of Consent" through sequencers. When you listen to it it doesn't work - for me at least. Maybe I'm too much of a purist."
Age of Consent was not played thru a sequencer during this last round of New Order dates. What is he talking about?
Also, at least for me, New Order were at their best when combinig pure electronics with live drums, guitar and bass. True Faith and Temptation are, for me, a million miles better than Leave Me Alone, Lonesome Tonight, and other songs of that ilk. Though I do love Sunrise!
Heresy! I love New Order's more electro stuff as much as the next man, and I'm no fan of the way Hooky's acted over the last few years, but Leave Me Alone and Lonesome Tonight are possibly my two most favourite songs of all time. It doesn't get much better than the long extended instrumental outros to both tunes- Hooky's bass solo in Lonesome Tonight, and Barney's guitar in Leave Me Alone. Just breathtaking. Not that there's anything wrong with True Faith or Temptation, they're fantastic tracks, but I don't think they're superior to the other two.
One Brain wrote: Does the world need another Peter Hook interview?
I think he needs to just button up, and let his bass do the talking on the odd new track or two or three. Remind us what he's all about etc.
I think Hooky AND the band that are now known as New Order should each release a new version of Face Up (check the lyrics) and have done with it - see which one wins the battle of bitterness.....!!
"Oh how I cannot bear the thought of you!!!"
Indeed.
Oh, this lark has descended into farce!
Oh, and at the risk of sounding pedantic, how on EARTH can 'Sunrise' even be thought of as an 'acoustic' song, exactly ?
Blimey - the guy's memory seems to have failed him. That happens to be the single most ELECTRIFYING SONG on the Low-Life album - and it isn't even one of the more obviously electronic ones either viz TPK (no sequencers, just raging electric guitars and bass mostly).
He's already responded to the snub at least four or five times now in various other publications so they're three months late with regards to the headline. I believe the gist of those previous responses was "I'm not keen on them" so it's no great shock to read that he's "still not keen on them". He was hardly gonna say "I think that new version of 5-8-6 is top".
What I think would be interesting to finally come out in 2012 is the exact, explicit reason why Hook left New Order in 2006. That's something no interviewer or blogger has been able to successfully extract in the past five years and has always intrigued me. We have all this back and forth of bitterness on both sides but what is the root cause? When asked they normally say "I don't want to work with him/her/them any more" which is not really an answer.
Of course, there have been numerous unconfirmed rumours (royalties, songwriting, personality...) going around the fanbase for years now but the truth - whatever that may be - has got to come out at some point. The sniping has become so public now it's hard to not want to know the core reason as to why it all resulted in a meltdown.
Or is it being saved for a book 
I reckon it seems to be a long story. Bernard said it would be a 1000 page document, in the Mojo interview.
Something pivotal definitely happened in 2005/6 because as MOJO pointed out Hook told them during a WFTSC promotional interview "we're destined to be together" then less than a year later it was toast.
NotAMod wrote: Something pivotal definitely happened in 2005/6 because as MOJO pointed out Hook told them during a WFTSC promotional interview "we're destined to be together" then less than a year later it was toast.
It's sposed to be a big f'ing slanging match in Brazil. C'mon Hooky write a book on it. Just make it fast. No one will buy it.
Or just tell a journalist.
he always sounds bitter and silly, but i still don't really care about new order if he's not a part of it. sure, they can get someone to easily replicate his sound live, but if they ever try to write something new it's going to sound seriously lacking. sometimes jerks are necessary for good music.
autonomous wrote: I love Hooky and he is right. I can't wait to see The Light again. All you haters need to take a fookin pill for christe's sake. Cheers, John.
I'm not a hater, but I just sometimes politely disagree, or ask questions, or talk about things based on what they have said in interviews.
For example, Hooky's stance seems to be that if one member leaves, they should not continue as that band. (Such as when Ian died, or when Hooky left.) But reading all these interviews he's done, he doesn't seem to think that when Gillian left.
I wonder why that is? Is it because she never told them to do so? Is it because of the reason that she left? Is it because he thinks he contributed more to NO than Gillian? Is it because his contributions are much more 'obvious' to the ear (that iconic bass sound) ---compared to Gillian's contributions, that he thinks this? I'm just curious.
He was very frustrated by the length of time it took to record WFTSC and wasn't happy with the end results. That combined with his ongoing personality/control issues with Bernard is what led to his decision to leave or "break up" the band:
"We were in the studio for three years putting that album together which cost £700,000 to record and we got nothing back from it."
What happened was that I didn't enjoy working with Bernard anymore. I felt that our ambitions for the group and for the music were too far apart to ever come together again. It was a pain in the arse doing the last album, and the fact that it took three years was f---ing ridiculous. I'll never get that time back again.
The last New Order song was 'Regret.' The rest of them, to me, were Electronic songs with bass on them.
Once I got sober, I realized what a crock of s--- he was. [laughs] I couldn't live with it. That was why I split the band.
He never considered Gillian to be a true member either, it sounds like he pretty much ignored her and was fine with her leaving:
She's not a very good musician, I'm afraid, and she didn't add that much to the band. It was a problem with both of us. We were very happy when she left. And personally I thought New Order Mark 2 were far superior to New Order Mark 1
He saw New Order as the direct continuation of Joy Division with the original three all being irreplaceable. I think it's sad though that he announced the break up publicly without telling anyone else first.
Age of consent does use a backing track now, that's true. Steve doesn't count it in for nothing.
Give him his dues, he's at least entertaining. He loves a soundbite, does Hooky.
Have no idea what he's saying here though - "I was looking at New Order's set list and it was quite odd to look at their set. The way they've put together a greatest hits type thing, I mean, I enjoy more exploring the record, I couldn't get my head around a set and it really actually freaked me out to think about it..."
'New Older' have basically been doing greatest hits sets since the end of 1987, surely? Has Hooky been 'freaking out' about it for twenty-five years then? The wording of the above actually makes it sound like they're doing something different to when he was in the group. If anything, they've finally capitulated since he left and actually addded fan favourites like 586 and Age of Consent live - tracks I doubt many folk ever thought they'd hear again?
Reading the Mojo piece, I somehow feel sorry for Hooky. It seems that he completely overreacted at the time when he left the band and now he’s looking for reasons why he’s done so to justify his behavior. I remember that in 2005/2006 it was always Hooky that got interviewed, so maybe that led him to believe that he IS the band and he can do it alone without the quite private persons Bernard and Steve. But what he seemed to forget is that you need to rebuild your legacy every now and then, because eventually you become some sort of showbiz-wanker that just has a glorious past and no present. The novelty effect of his DJing is long gone now, and there are only 2 Joy Division-albums you can tour. New Order on the other side have hit singles ranging from 1980 to 2005, so there are some generations who know and love them and a wider spectrum to choose from.
Of course they ALL are in it for the money, so there’s no need to point fingers for that particular reason. They are in their mid fifties and need to get some kind of coverage before getting REALLY old, don’t blame them for that.
They are not New Order. They're doing the exact same thing that I'm doing only I don't call myself Joy Division, I celebrate Joy Division's music without the members of Joy Division. And I think people need to realise that. I think that if Bad Lieutenant had been a success Bernard wouldn't have had to big up New Order, to be honest. It's just in the name of financial reasons not artistic."
Why does he keep saying this - its not the same as what he is doing. This is 75% of the original band including the song main song writer with a new bass player. He is 25% of the original band obviously without the song writer with a collection of session musicians - why is he blind to that fact?
A number of bands have carried on without the original members but in the main the writer and singer has remained ie Echo And The Bunnymen, James, REM. A few have been different i agree - The Stranglers being an example.
Sorry if it blunts your ego Hookey but you wre simply the bass player and the crowds that are attending the recent shows should make you realise that.
BTW - the snipe at BL is just sad - they were drawing crowds of similar size to what The Light are.
joe davola wrote:
Of course they ALL are in it for the money, so there’s no need to point fingers for that particular reason. They are in their mid fifties and need to get some kind of coverage before getting REALLY old, don’t blame them for that.
No, it's only Hooky that's in it for the money. The rest are in it because they genuinely love touring, especially with no record to promote. They're all millionaires and have no need for the filthy lucre. It's 100% for 'the love' of the music and fans.
There'll probably be a new album too and it'll be a lot better than all that 'boom boom boom' stuff that passes for music nowadays.
HOOKY = BAD STEPHEN, GILLIAN & BERNARD + TWO JOBBING SESSIONISTS = GOOD
Fuck me. I think I'm turning into Uncle Liam! Help!!!!!
condemnation wrote: Age of consent does use a backing track now, that's true. Steve doesn't count it in for nothing.
A backing track of what though? Just that really really simple droning synthbass? The rest of it is all live (guitars, drums, bass, Gillian's keyboard line). It's hardly equivalent to 'putting it through a sequencer'.
leather_girl wrote:
autonomous wrote: I love Hooky and he is right. I can't wait to see The Light again. All you haters need to take a fookin pill for christe's sake. Cheers, John.
I'm not a hater, but I just sometimes politely disagree, or ask questions, or talk about things based on what they have said in interviews.
For example, Hooky's stance seems to be that if one member leaves, they should not continue as that band. (Such as when Ian died, or when Hooky left.) But reading all these interviews he's done, he doesn't seem to think that when Gillian left.
I wonder why that is? Is it because she never told them to do so? Is it because of the reason that she left? Is it because he thinks he contributed more to NO than Gillian? Is it because his contributions are much more 'obvious' to the ear (that iconic bass sound) ---compared to Gillian's contributions, that he thinks this? I'm just curious.
I don't know, but Gillian did respond to this attitude of Hooky's in the recent MOJO interview:
"I don't see why he thinks himself any more special than anyone else when a relationship breaks down, band stuff or not. I had to go because I had a daughter to look after. I didn't say, now I'm gone you can't do anything, did I?"
saracuse wrote: He was very frustrated by the length of time it took to record WFTSC and wasn't happy with the end results. That combined with his ongoing personality/control issues with Bernard is what led to his decision to leave or "break up" the band
Hooky does mention a little about WFTSC in the recent Mojo interview. He says
Another thing I liked about it was it was very lush, big and well produced. Bands can't afford to spend that kind of money these days. I'd been away from that for five years, working in a different way. It's a really sad aspect that you can't work like that any more
Does expensive always mean better though? I would reckon it was possible for NO to record an album in those days (2003~2004?) for less than it actually cost to make WFTSC. Maybe bands can't afford to spend that much money to make one album these days, but I also think they don't feel the need to spend that much money to make one album, not to mention, it's more risky because it takes more money to gain a profit.
