Peter Hook Responds To New Order Snub

I think the new live version of AoC is a bit too slow, it sounds better faster but I suppose you can't expect these 50something people to go at everything 100mph forever.

Hooky is really losing touch

Whether they use a sequencer or not doesnt really matter whenever they have actually written the song and have done it completely live in the past. Hooky may have had a point if bernard became a one man band playing the pubs with a sequencer and backing tracks but if they feel they want to use a sequencer they should use a sequencer because its only muso's who really care about these things.

This is pretty tragic news about Hooky, practically full blown Spinal Tap. I wouldn't be surprised if alcohol was somehow behind his volte-face(s) re his former bandmates. Course there will be a lot we will probably never know. I thought the part of the mojo interview, where Barney talks about playing without Ian (the 'you-know-who') when the more recent ruction was Hooky's departure, rather strange, which is however strange in itself as for decades the missing Ian was the focus of attention. Am I missing something, or am I seeing what isn't there, I don't know. I need to read it through again. Anyway, people can be immensely difficult to get on with at close quarters in the long term as anyone who works in an office will know, and it's impossible to tell from the outside, or a brief encounter what such a situation would really be like.

Rules like not using the same name when somebody leaves, are for bands just starting out I would guess.

effect return wrote: if bernard became a one man band playing the pubs with a sequencer and backing tracks

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Aracri wrote:

Zachery Starkey wrote: Age of Consent was not played thru a sequencer during this last round of New Order dates. What is he talking about?

Zachery Starkey wrote: Age of Consent is totally live. Steve counts it in so everyone starts at the right time. Steve's hi hat, snare, and bass drum parts are all played live, and Gillian plays the synth bass part as well as the higher synth string parts live. What do you think is programmed?

Zachery Starkey wrote: The synth bass part is live, Gillian plays it, as she always has.

Wrong. Pay attention to "AoC" on the official Troxy release, you can hear the sequencer clearly around 2'56"-3'00". It's not the same as low synth parts usually played by Gillian. It sounds completely different.

Big deal. It's still a moot point for Hooky to make.

I was just trying to point out that there is extra stuff there, coming from the backing. But as you said big deal to that anyway, they've obviously done it to make the song sound fuller.

They've used set click tracks and pre-programmed sequenced stuff for at least 20 years : Dream Attack in 93, Regret in 98, had audible click tracks and sequencer cues on recordings.

johnboy586 wrote: He really needs to shut up, he's just coming across as a sad, bitter and petty man. I've lost what little respect I had left for him, most of it went when he started hawking round Joy Division as cabaret act.

It really doesn't matter who said what and who is saying what anymore.

I follow the music --- recorded and live.

WFTSC was marginal. Bad Lieutenant was no different than NO in their last days. New Order with Gillian back is BL with Gillian.

The Light --- no new music.

Live Acts ---

I've seen 3 of The Light gigs. So much energy, so much intensity in the live act. Blows the revived NO shows I've seen/heard online.

I'm waiting for the next time The Light shows up in LA again!

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote: It really doesn't matter who said what and who is saying what anymore.

I follow the music --- recorded and live.

WFTSC was marginal. Bad Lieutenant was no different than NO in their last days. New Order with Gillian back is BL with Gillian.

The Light --- no new music.

Live Acts ---

I've seen 3 of The Light gigs. So much energy, so much intensity in the live act. Blows the revived NO shows I've seen/heard online.

I'm waiting for the next time The Light shows up in LA again!

Just go and see them, if you like NO. Hooky if you are keen on JD.

and dont get the BL +- thing. Its NO - Hooky, nothing to do with what's happened since. He left. Move on. And go see.

NotAMod wrote:

Most reasonable people would realise watching a gig via YouTube is far from the same as being in the audience or down the front. I've read people stick up for Hooky's The Light shows in a similar fashion and I definitely refrained from commenting on them until I had seen one in the flesh.

Nobody is denying that The Light do a fine job but similarly 75% of New Order playing "New Order" songs with a bassist who knows the riffs do a similarly a fine job. To be honest, they do they New Order tracks far better than The Light could ever do precisely because erm, they have three members of New Order playing them.

Only a real sychopantic-kiss-arse to the Hooky cause would deride it without having set foot in a venue. The irony is LETS_PLAY_HOOKY would be bouncing up and down to Age Of Consent as much as any other fan... what? Would you really turn your nose up and leave the venue?

What a wanker

Agreed,

To be honest the snubs have reached comical level, it's almost like he has them written to a deadline per interview

I am fucking sick to the back teeth with people calling New Order - BL with Gillian. Are REM somthing else without the drummer, are Echo and the bunnymen something else without the bass player and drummer and more recently Arctic Monkeys are still the Arctic Monkeys without the original bass player, so why do you think NO, BL with Gillian.

Go on explain it to me you fucking dick!!

LETS_PLAY_HOOKY wrote: It really doesn't matter who said what and who is saying what anymore.

I follow the music --- recorded and live.

WFTSC was marginal. Bad Lieutenant was no different than NO in their last days. New Order with Gillian back is BL with Gillian.

The Light --- no new music.

Live Acts ---

I've seen 3 of The Light gigs. So much energy, so much intensity in the live act. Blows the revived NO shows I've seen/heard online.

I'm waiting for the next time The Light shows up in LA again!

I find it slightly humorous that Mr. Hook continually criticizes the fact that New Order use sequenced synth parts a lot of the time and moaning about them going 'too dance' over the years yet he promotes the acid house scene at the Hacienda and acts the superstar DJ playing... you guessed it... sequenced electronic dance music.

Hooky, please stop. You chose to leave the band. This having a pop every interview is getting monotonous.

DShamen wrote: I find it slightly humorous that Mr. Hook continually criticizes the fact that New Order use sequenced synth parts a lot of the time and moaning about them going 'too dance' over the years yet he promotes the acid house scene at the Hacienda and acts the superstar DJ playing... you guessed it... sequenced electronic dance music.

Hooky, please stop. You chose to leave the band. This having a pop every interview is getting monotonous.

I don't mind sequenced tracks during concerts as long as no one is pretending to play those bits.

You brought up the DJing. Wasn't there a bit of a pantomiming controversey there?

condemnation wrote: In 32 years, New Order hardly ever counted songs in. Big deal anyway.

When I saw the Happy Mondays at Big Day Out in (I think) 2002, one of the funny/sad aspects was that Shaun had to be counted in to every vocal part :D

(1.. 2... 3... 4...) Son, I'm 30.... etc