Updating this website thingie

Holy cow, can't we get a website overhaul?

The news items are weeks or sometimes months behind schedule. The blog entries on the front page are 3-4 years old, and inexplicably bisect the news feed from the latest entries to recent entries. The sleeve artwork that shows up in the header is poorly scanned, and other sources are available which are optimized for the web. The most visited area of the site - the forums - is way down at the bottom of the page.

Surely there are some web gurus who'd be happy to help Nicholas maintain the site, or take it over for him?

(And I know that technically the forums are at the top of the page, but it requires clicking through several times to get to recent threads. There are way too many separate forums for the small number of users on the site.)

I totally agree. All this site really needs is the front news page, the forums, and the song/ discography info pages. Scrap everything else. The site would surely use a lot less bandwidth is everything was streamlined

Well volunteered chaps.

El Jarvo wrote:

ShugZV wrote: The Mods have already mentioned this to Nic, hence Ally retiring his powers. It's not as easy as taking over, otherwise I'd do it. The server and system needs overhauled which would cost money and a lot of time.

Maybe if enough of you mail Nicos and offer him yer help, he might have a change of heart.

We should maybe just let it die now. It's on its last legs, and has been for some time.

Looks like David's all but thrown in the towel on his site too?

That Facebook New Order site is best avoided though - fuck me, there's some morons out there isn't there?

What was that other website Nicos did that was a replica of this site? Was it for the Cure online, or maybe Arcade Fire online or something?

Wonder how that site's doing?

It's clogged up with hairspray

We shouldn't let it die - the forums are the best place for any news regarding the band. Maybe there should be a yearly contribution from us to enable the site to be run to its maximum potential. The guy who runs Buzzcocks.com does this by having a yearly auction of Buzzcocks related stuff, donated by the fans and people who use the site.

El Jarvo wrote:

ShugZV wrote: The Mods have already mentioned this to Nic, hence Ally retiring his powers. It's not as easy as taking over, otherwise I'd do it. The server and system needs overhauled which would cost money and a lot of time.

Maybe if enough of you mail Nicos and offer him yer help, he might have a change of heart.

We should maybe just let it die now. It's on its last legs, and has been for some time.

Looks like David's all but thrown in the towel on his site too?

That Facebook New Order site is best avoided though - fuck me, there's some morons out there isn't there?

What was that other website Nicos did that was a replica of this site? Was it for the Cure online, or maybe Arcade Fire online or something?

Wonder how that site's doing?

It can't die. There is nothing else out there on the web that can replace this website, fuck me even new order themselves like the site (didn't some official new order products reference this site?).

I miss Sebastien when he was the moderator on this website. He banned me just twice from this forum. Bastard!

El Jarvo wrote:

ShugZV wrote: The Mods have already mentioned this to Nic, hence Ally retiring his powers. It's not as easy as taking over, otherwise I'd do it. The server and system needs overhauled which would cost money and a lot of time.

Maybe if enough of you mail Nicos and offer him yer help, he might have a change of heart.

We should maybe just let it die now. It's on its last legs, and has been for some time.

Looks like David's all but thrown in the towel on his site too?

That Facebook New Order site is best avoided though - fuck me, there's some morons out there isn't there?

What was that other website Nicos did that was a replica of this site? Was it for the Cure online, or maybe Arcade Fire online or something?

Wonder how that site's doing?

would have been for the arcade fire

what happened to that iste we used when this one was down that one about pies, or whatever it was?

I'm not volunteering, I've already done plenty to give back to this community. :)

There are younger, faster, more technically adept people than me who could fill the job. I was on the original Ceremony mailing list in '97, lurked here once the site went live, until 2006 when I finally signed up. I don't think the site has changed at all in the past six years.

If it's all customized, maybe someone should chuck the entire site and rebuild from scratch? There are countless click-to-install templates that would work.

Why does this site take up so much bandwidth? There aren't any downloads. By trimming off the outdated parts of the site and slimming down to a basic news feed and the forums, I can't image it would be too costly. The Dreamhost plan I use for my own website is huge, and only costs about $100 annually.

NotAMod wrote: Hang on isn't working on a web site? For a few years now.

Hurry up Steve make sure you import all the emoticons.

3 years to be exact ally.

It has been a lot harder than i had ever imagined to be truly honest,being a one an band doesnt help either. Having said that, a lot of kind people have sent me reams of information and it has been a nightmare to put it in some kind of order.

I want to make it my own and special,i'm mindful of the two other New Order sites on the net so http://neworderweb.net HAS to be different.

Very hard trying to make something different when the information is effectively the same.

The finance is there,the best Discograhies in the world are there,the permission to use content from official sources are there,the one thing that is sadly lacking is an official gigography and a usuable forum platform.

The forum is my biggest headache at the minute.

The "free" forums you can get are absolutely gash,i spose thats why they are free

It looks like i will have to start from scratch and build one myself,this means literally months of html coding by hand.

If someone wnats to help with the forum for my site or anything else then my email address is at the bottom of the page.

I do have to agree with the comment on a post above though,the forum is the lifeblood of this site and no one could ever wish to compete with it,though some may try.

I am also going to need some help with the admin for my site,so again,if anyone wants to help/donate their precious time then find my email addy below.

50 Pound Note wrote:

Why does this site take up so much bandwidth? There aren't any downloads. By trimming off the outdated parts of the site and slimming down to a basic news feed and the forums, I can't image it would be too costly. The Dreamhost plan I use for my own website is huge, and only costs about $100 annually.

Yeah, this should cost $100 a year, drop in a 10-minute SMF install for the forum. I also use Dreamhost for several forums and highly recommend them or another similar.

The $100 a year could easily be offset with a handful of subtle (music-related) ads on the front page.

You could link in a customized wordpress.org area for any content (news, or if we want to keep lyrics, images, etc).

From memory......don't Prime Management/New Order (as was) pay for the hosting on this site?

www.newordernow.net links to this forum, the Niagra discography and Sam's updated Water Rat discography.

All the necessities.

As I recall World In Motion's forums were actually busier than NOOl's back in the very early days (2000/2001 era). It was WIM that Jonathan Scott chose to release all the info and track reviews of Get Ready before anyone else had heard it. I remember eagerly checking the site on a daily basis from internet cafes in Oz for this info. I'm pretty sure the 2001 tour dates appeared their first as well. I know that I for one was a regular contributor on their before I was on here. Good source of info but only for about 12-18 months then NOOL took over and never looked back.

Surprised this gem from yesteryear is still going/active.

Stalker-tastic

GlasVegas wrote:

Surprised this gem from yesteryear is still going/active.

Stalker-tastic

The obsession with that website around the time of the MvC gig was nauseating.

The Teacher Low Life

The Teacher CUNT

I've very vague and foggy memories of visiting the old "Temptation" site around 2000-early 2001, posted a few times. Seem to remember some real oddball Norwegian or Finnish guy used to post loads of very weird ramblings. Then when that site was scrapped and re born as NewOrderonline I didn't join at first and didn't even visit for a couple of years, can never remember why. Think I just used to look on World In Motion for the latest news circa late 2001 and throughout 2002. Finally joined NOOL in 2003 but didn't really start posting til 2004.The thought of having to rely some shitty Facebook New Order forum when this place finally bites the dust is pretty depressing. Like others have said NOOL has a totally unique character which would be sadly missed

As a young American fan who joined the forums in 2004, I was glad to receive little abuse and often good answers to my questions about the band's heyday. Remember fondly the treasure trove of vintage New Order videos uploaded on youtube around 2005/2006, and the giddiness that ensued here for young and old fans alike.

http://web.archive.org/web/20030719194205/http://www.neworderonline.com/

I think the old NEO looked more like modern web design than the current site.

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Creating a new Neworderonline wouldn't take much -

• Re-do the discography section with an easier on the eyes lay-out, updating information with high-quality scans from 50 Pound Note's Recycle project
• Archive the news section and make a new-news section with Wordpress for multiple author function.
• Live archive: isn't there another fansite with more relevant/better updated information?
• Link to current relevant sites (Recycle, official band sites)
• Remove "Shop" / "Community" / "Contact Us" / "Multimedia"
• Keep the Forums alive
• Make the website friendlier to current standards

I've been lurking for a decade and rarely post. Yet, I'm passionate about NEO still being alive, because it's the best we have as fans. (Also: wasn't it around the release of "Control" that a bunch of official New Order/JD releases linked here? That must be worth something, right?)

I'd be really sad to see this place go. I don't post as much as I used to but Istill find myself checking this place out every few days, so that says something. I've got to say this site and its users have been absolutely amazing resources - I have really fond memories of the Weeding forum (is that still going?) and giving/receiving goodies in the mail from a host of people on here. Also met a few at a Digital gig in Kilburn. Hope this place lives on somehow.

El Jarvo wrote: The issue is that Nicos doesn't have time to doing any work or admin any more.

It shouldn't be too much effort to delegate the updating of the front page to a few people.

wrote: The "free" forums you can get are absolutely gash,i spose thats why they are free

You're wrong. A few are much better than this forum, faster, more possibilities and more stable.

But what about all the other things this site brings eg able to buy tickets off fellow fans at face value, info on hotels meeting points etc. I take it this will be your last post if you can get what you need from new order now?

El Jarvo wrote:

confusion wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: The issue is that Nicos doesn't have time to doing any work or admin any more.

It shouldn't be too much effort to delegate the updating of the front page to a few people.

Why bother though?

It's only going to be a rehash of NewOrderNow.net - if I want New Order news I can just go there now instead.

(Way too much use of the words 'new' and 'now' in that sentence, sorry!)

El Jarvo wrote:

confusion wrote:

El Jarvo wrote: The issue is that Nicos doesn't have time to doing any work or admin any more.

It shouldn't be too much effort to delegate the updating of the front page to a few people.

Why bother though?

It's only going to be a rehash of NewOrderNow.net - if I want New Order news I can just go there now instead.

(Way too much use of the words 'new' and 'now' in that sentence, sorry!)

Neworderonline.com is higher ranked in search machines than newordernow.net, so it makes sense to continue the front page. But if there aren't any regular updates anymore, I am with you, there shouldn't be any news on it.

I hope the forum survives anyway,it would be a pity for it to end now with "new" music about to be released and all the upcoming gigs New Order have pencilled in for 2012.. So much to argue about.... I also think the concert browser is pretty useful.

I generally only use the forums because they're a fucking laugh, there are some very intelligent people who post on it capable of making me laugh my bollocks off. It would be a shame if that stopped.

Genetic wrote: I generally only use the forums because they're a fucking laugh, there are some very intelligent people who post on it capable of making me laugh my bollocks off. It would be a shame if that stopped.

Me too.

leather_girl wrote:

Genetic wrote: I generally only use the forums because they're a fucking laugh, there are some very intelligent people who post on it capable of making me laugh my bollocks off. It would be a shame if that stopped.

Me too.

Yep, me too. But for Newbies or to look after something the other stuff is quite good, too.

Genetic wrote: I generally only use the forums because they're a fucking laugh, there are some very intelligent people who post on it capable of making me laugh my bollocks off. It would be a shame if that stopped.

Yeah, it also get's me through the day in the office:D

Besides that, i do not know know anyone on here in person but i would miss u lot for sure...

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El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote: what happened to that iste we used when this one was down that one about pies, or whatever it was?

worldinmotion, no?

Although David let his forum die about a year ago, and doesn't update his own site as much (he's too busy on the road with the Light, I guess!)

nah, there was another one that was mailed round title was a pun based on power corruption & lies that involved pies

hibster wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

hibster wrote: what happened to that iste we used when this one was down that one about pies, or whatever it was?

worldinmotion, no?

Although David let his forum die about a year ago, and doesn't update his own site as much (he's too busy on the road with the Light, I guess!)

nah, there was another one that was mailed round title was a pun based on power corruption & lies that involved pies

Didn't Timbo set that up when he fell out witth Seb (again)