Peter Hook interview [Timeout Melbourne]

http://www.au.timeout.com/melbourne/music/events/2789/closer-a-joy-division-celebration Peter Hook interview [Timeout Melbourne]

Steve and Gillian – Gillian in particular, she didn’t really quite add a lot to New Order’s music because she was always very much a silent partner, shall we say, and Steve’s interest waned over the years, very much, so it was always me and Bernard that were the principal songwriters. We were the musical force. And to me, when the two main songwriters stop working together, you have a split. But in Bernard’s world, he says that I left

What does he think Gillian did in her years in 1981 to 2001 New Order? The silent partner? Surely she wasn't some doll or teamaker, she did contribute something you know? And when has Steve's interest waned? What songs/albums does he think were mainly written by himself and Bernard?

So from this comment it sounds like he thinks New Order's main songwriting people were himself and Bernard, with Steve contributing some (or maybe the human drum machine ) and Gillian the 'silent partner' who was just a silent lady that looked pretty next to a keyboard .

And no...New Order didn't split. Hooky left.

They basically said to me, “Here’s a buck, Hooky, for the use of the name New Order.” And I’m trying to get two bucks.

Do you think if he gets three bucks he will stop DJing?

"There’s this article where Bernard intimates that he’s got things that I’ve done that he’s ready to make public, like I haven’t got things that he’s done that I couldn’t make fucking public."

How low are they willing to stoop with this feud? You have to wonder..

cranelane wrote: "There’s this article where Bernard intimates that he’s got things that I’ve done that he’s ready to make public, like I haven’t got things that he’s done that I couldn’t make fucking public."

How are they willing to stoop with this feud? You have to wonder..

How are they willing to stoop?

How low even...

I went to school with the guy who wrote that. He did well not to gush as he's a massive NO fan

No respect for breast cancer survivor. And if it wern't for Gillian and Steve, there would be no BLT or Guilty partner, or beat to Blue Monday.

You are right, I was going to say Dream attack. oops.

El Jarvo wrote:

Turn Jim wrote: No respect for breast cancer survivor. And if it wern't for Gillian and Steve, there would be no BLT or Guilty partner, or beat to Blue Monday.

You lost that argument as soon as you mentioned 'Guilty Partner'.

(btw, really? that sure sounds like a non-machine hook/sumner tune - )

Jack - gonna be hard to defend hooky on this one. He needs to see a doctor I think. He's getting older and might have selective memory.

Business wise I can understand why he wants a slice of the new order pie. He has been clever not to use the band name joy division and is quite clear that his band is called the light, performing jd songs.

Tbh if new order called themselves bad lieutenant playing new order I wouldn't be arsed. I'd still go watch them and buy the records. Maybe they should drop the name..... If only because it would be a tragedy that hooky got a slice of anything from here on in.

its strange he's coming out with stuff about gillian and steve now

i seem to recall an interview,i think it was with stephen hague about the recording and writing of true faith(i could be wrong on both of those)

and he said the 4 of them did their parts seperately around each other,so he can't be saying she brought nothing to the sound

Has this very strange dream last night (really....!) and that in it I read a newspaper headline that Peter Hook married Whitney Houston.

I was mortified actually!

Don't ask me what the fuck that means....it was in the dream.

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Has this very strange dream last night (really....!) and that in it I read a newspaper headline that Peter Hook married Whitney Houston.

I was mortified actually!

Don't ask me what the fuck that means....it was in the dream.

if your waiting on a tasteless joke you should give it a few more days.

I thought everyone had agreed not to react every time Hooky gives an interview. Or was that just in my dream?...

It's all true - well, insomuch as Steve and Gillian made tea for me whilst I made the two Other Two records all on my own. Even the vocals.

if bernard dressed up like princess leia and farted the star spangled banner whilst stamping on a cat (not the eck eck bluish one), and then said he dreams of bono , well, i guess i could overlook all but the last bono bit.

Hicksy wrote: Jack - gonna be hard to defend hooky on this one. He needs to see a doctor I think.

yup... a 'head' doctor. Tis always concerning to see how the mighty keep on falling.

poor gillian and stephen, standing by behaving like invertebrates, and trying , but absorbing only so much , lucky to be in the studio and arena, and putting together the other two and superhighways probably by accident . and bernard left the toilet seat up , twice

At the least he could keep his mouth shut about Gillian.

...yet another interview!

how pathetic!

effect return wrote:

By 'Eck! My Neck! wrote: Has this very strange dream last night (really....!) and that in it I read a newspaper headline that Peter Hook married Whitney Houston.

I was mortified actually!

Don't ask me what the fuck that means....it was in the dream.

if your waiting on a tasteless joke you should give it a few more days.

That's your prerogative.

Turn Jim wrote: No respect for breast cancer survivor. And if it wern't for Gillian and Steve, there would be no BLT or Guilty partner, or beat to Blue Monday.

It's certainly a strange thing of Hooky to say. I can hear loads of the Other Two in tracks like Mr Disco, World in Motion, Special & Ruined in a Day. If you think of the first 3 tracks on The Other Two & You and then relate them to the 4 NO ones I've listed and it's quite obvious to me. Plus anything that's a little 'leftfield' of the NO stuff can probably be attributed to The Other Two (again, think of tracks 5 & 9 on Super Highways and relate to Eligia, interlude in Perfect Kiss etc). Granted, I can't imagine there's not a lot of Steve & Gillian in Get Ready but anything prior to that there is. And I can imagine Steve's attention wasn't purely on making WFTSC due to the small fact that his wife had cancer!?

Hooky sounds so bitter I think a spot of counselling might help!

Hooky's just becoming a complete c**t! His continued attempts to belittle Gillian's role within the band, just comes across as sexist and now he's starting on Steve.

While i'm no expert, I always thought Bernard was the main songwriter in terms of melody and lyrics while the others embellished their own parts. Though I know Steve & Gillian were responsible for some of the stuff on Technique. Hooky seem's to be painting himself as McCartney to Bernard's Lennon, which I think is mostly wish fulfillment on his part.

I fear his continued bitterness and petty digs at his former band members, is continuing to alienate people and will only lead him to a dark place.

johnboy586 wrote: Hooky's just becoming a complete c**t! His continued attempts to belittle Gillian's role within the band, just comes across as sexist and now he's starting on Steve.

While i'm no expert, I always thought Bernard was the main songwriter in terms of melody and lyrics while the others embellished their own parts. Though I know Steve & Gillian were responsible for some of the stuff on Technique. Hooky seem's to be painting himself as McCartney to Bernard's Lennon, which I think is mostly wish fulfillment on his part.

I fear his continued bitterness and petty digs at his former band members, is continuing to alienate people and will only lead him to a dark place.

If he wants to play JD songs or make music as The Light, that's his business. If the others want to continue as New Order, that's their business. Even if you think that he is getting older and may not remember everything or even details, the remarks about Gillian and Steve are just...

NotAMod wrote: I don't believe for a second that Steve was sat in the recording studio for both Get Ready and WFTSC being told what drum patterns to play or what keyboard parts to program.

He added nothing to the creative process during those LPs that could amount to "song writing"?

I just find that very doubtful.

Well said.

johnboy586 wrote: Hooky's just becoming a complete c**t! His continued attempts to belittle Gillian's role within the band, just comes across as sexist and now he's starting on Steve.

While i'm no expert, I always thought Bernard was the main songwriter in terms of melody and lyrics while the others embellished their own parts. Though I know Steve & Gillian were responsible for some of the stuff on Technique. Hooky seem's to be painting himself as McCartney to Bernard's Lennon, which I think is mostly wish fulfillment on his part.

I fear his continued bitterness and petty digs at his former band members, is continuing to alienate people and will only lead him to a dark place.

I don't know if he has anyone advising him, and if he does maybe he chooses to ignore them, but I don't see how going public on every little twist and turn on the legal issues regarding New Order is going to help him,

And as for the comments about Steve and Gillian.... It is becoming increasing difficult to find any sympathy for Mr Hook,

For me he's gone from Hero, to being slightly out of order, maybe misguided to being a complete and utter twat.

Someone turn the LIGHT off

Tower Ballroom wrote: Someone turn the LIGHT off

I would love to see what Jack has to say about this.

AUTOJACK ON :

"If you don't like it, don't come to the shows!"

/AUTOJACK OFF.

So Hooky actually wrote and programmed all of Steve's drum and hi hat parts, as well as the programmed drums, and he also wrote and played all of Gillian's synth parts and melodies?

Please.

Crikey, what planet is Hooky on? Am I missing something - has he gone and bought up the rights to the name over the heads of everyone else, like he did with the Hacienda? - if that's even legally possible, although it would be pretty sly and underhand if so, but somehow less and less surprising. Otherwise, how it is that Hooky alone gets to decide what constitutes New Order? It appears all that about the principle of the thing, that the other three not being NO without Hooky is a load of guff. He just wants more money. Acting like a landlord, only the property is a name. But, if they aren't New Order without Hooky, nothing would change that, not even paying for it. Anyway whatever he may have been up to behind the scenes, it's not just his decision, there are another three, despite his desperate slagging of the other two. His credibility is sinking fast.

Tower Ballroom wrote:

cranelane wrote: "There’s this article where Bernard intimates that he’s got things that I’ve done that he’s ready to make public, like I haven’t got things that he’s done that I couldn’t make fucking public."

How are they willing to stoop with this feud? You have to wonder..

How are they willing to stoop?

Perhaps they are about to go public about the whole hooky-bernard attraction thing that was mentioned in the barney bites back thread

seals wrote: Crikey, what planet is Hooky on? Am I missing something - has he gone and bought up the rights to the name over the heads of everyone else, like he did with the Hacienda? - if that's even legally possible, although it would be pretty sly and underhand if so, but somehow less and less surprising. Otherwise, how it is that Hooky alone gets to decide what constitutes New Order? It appears all that about the principle of the thing, that the other three not being NO without Hooky is a load of guff. He just wants more money. Acting like a landlord, only the property is a name. But, if they aren't New Order without Hooky, nothing would change that, not even paying for it. Anyway whatever he may have been up to behind the scenes, it's not just his decision, there are another three, despite his desperate slagging of the other two. His credibility is sinking fast.

Good points. I'm surprised he's gotten away with it for so long. He's either on too much or not enough medication and should have a lie down soon and give it a rest.

The beard stroker's credibility? Hmm

Superstar DJ? Freebass. 3 bass players? FAC 251? "I'm a business man" Re-recording JD songs? The Collectors Edition £350 book?

I'm waiting for the next scraping of the barrel: The Light live at Preston Warehouse - "everything through the bass amp!"

gillian she sings like an angel. she is a talented keyboardist. stephen is a fabulous drummer and keyboardist. hooky is out of his mind

mark reed wrote:

/AUTOJACK OFF.

Not sure I care for the sound of that.

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Agreed.

I can't help thinking but Hooky has turned into the clown in public he probably always has been. Maybe it was really hard for the other three to keep up with him for so long. It seems like he's trying to destroy anything that made that band special to destroy on purpose. Anyway, I will love his bass playing forever.

lee wrote: its strange he's coming out with stuff about gillian and steve now

i seem to recall an interview,i think it was with stephen hague about the recording and writing of true faith(i could be wrong on both of those)

and he said the 4 of them did their parts seperately around each other,so he can't be saying she brought nothing to the sound

Didn't Hooky form a band called "Revenge"?

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

It wouldn't be an issue if Hooky had never quit New Order, only to be surprised that they decided to carry on without him.

A Very Small Boy posted this here:

"I know the relationship between Barney and Hooky at school was always that of owner and pet but I am not sure at what stage Hooky decided to slip the leash."

While they've certainly outgrown that relationship, attitudes and resentments clearly linger on. After each hiatus, it's unlikely Barney came back saying "right, we're all equals now".

Andy wrote: A Very Small Boy posted this here:

"I know the relationship between Barney and Hooky at school was always that of owner and pet but I am not sure at what stage Hooky decided to slip the leash."

While they've certainly outgrown that relationship, attitudes and resentments clearly linger on. After each hiatus, it's unlikely Barney came back saying "right, we're all equals now".

Surely it's the case that they were equals early on and that Bernard only began to take control later, it would appear to me that Peter Hook had his greatest role in song composition during the Joy Division phase and as time passed and the band as New Order began to experiment more with electronics that Bernard grew in confidence as a singer and began to take the creative lead within the band..

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

It wouldn't be an issue if Hooky had never quit New Order, only to be surprised that they decided to carry on without him.

I am pretty sure that if Hooky did not decide to do that that JD UP and Closer stuff, there would be no New Order Now

seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

new order makes life interesting . the excitement on nool is awesome. i can't wait until they create more songs, and hopefully release the 6 next month.

Tarbox23 wrote: seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

Nail. On. Head.

Nick King wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

Nail. On. Head.

I can just imagine Hooky's response though... Hooky will probably claim that because he's playing as 'The Light' and not 'Joy Division', it's OK, but that Bernard etc are playing as 'New Order' that he doesn't seem to like. Mind you, I don't agree with that kind of response, but I can only imagine Hooky's response to be something like that.

NotAMod wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: I am pretty sure that if Hooky did not decide to do that that JD UP and Closer stuff, there would be no New Order Now

Are you saying that because you read Bernard saying the same thing in an interview 2 weeks ago?

Cheers for the link.

Did not know that.