Peter Hook interview [Timeout Melbourne]

johnboy586 wrote: Hooky's just becoming a complete c**t! His continued attempts to belittle Gillian's role within the band, just comes across as sexist and now he's starting on Steve.

While i'm no expert, I always thought Bernard was the main songwriter in terms of melody and lyrics while the others embellished their own parts. Though I know Steve & Gillian were responsible for some of the stuff on Technique. Hooky seem's to be painting himself as McCartney to Bernard's Lennon, which I think is mostly wish fulfillment on his part.

I fear his continued bitterness and petty digs at his former band members, is continuing to alienate people and will only lead him to a dark place.

I don't know if he has anyone advising him, and if he does maybe he chooses to ignore them, but I don't see how going public on every little twist and turn on the legal issues regarding New Order is going to help him,

And as for the comments about Steve and Gillian.... It is becoming increasing difficult to find any sympathy for Mr Hook,

For me he's gone from Hero, to being slightly out of order, maybe misguided to being a complete and utter twat.

Someone turn the LIGHT off

Tower Ballroom wrote: Someone turn the LIGHT off

I would love to see what Jack has to say about this.

AUTOJACK ON :

"If you don't like it, don't come to the shows!"

/AUTOJACK OFF.

So Hooky actually wrote and programmed all of Steve's drum and hi hat parts, as well as the programmed drums, and he also wrote and played all of Gillian's synth parts and melodies?

Please.

Crikey, what planet is Hooky on? Am I missing something - has he gone and bought up the rights to the name over the heads of everyone else, like he did with the Hacienda? - if that's even legally possible, although it would be pretty sly and underhand if so, but somehow less and less surprising. Otherwise, how it is that Hooky alone gets to decide what constitutes New Order? It appears all that about the principle of the thing, that the other three not being NO without Hooky is a load of guff. He just wants more money. Acting like a landlord, only the property is a name. But, if they aren't New Order without Hooky, nothing would change that, not even paying for it. Anyway whatever he may have been up to behind the scenes, it's not just his decision, there are another three, despite his desperate slagging of the other two. His credibility is sinking fast.

Tower Ballroom wrote:

cranelane wrote: "There’s this article where Bernard intimates that he’s got things that I’ve done that he’s ready to make public, like I haven’t got things that he’s done that I couldn’t make fucking public."

How are they willing to stoop with this feud? You have to wonder..

How are they willing to stoop?

Perhaps they are about to go public about the whole hooky-bernard attraction thing that was mentioned in the barney bites back thread

seals wrote: Crikey, what planet is Hooky on? Am I missing something - has he gone and bought up the rights to the name over the heads of everyone else, like he did with the Hacienda? - if that's even legally possible, although it would be pretty sly and underhand if so, but somehow less and less surprising. Otherwise, how it is that Hooky alone gets to decide what constitutes New Order? It appears all that about the principle of the thing, that the other three not being NO without Hooky is a load of guff. He just wants more money. Acting like a landlord, only the property is a name. But, if they aren't New Order without Hooky, nothing would change that, not even paying for it. Anyway whatever he may have been up to behind the scenes, it's not just his decision, there are another three, despite his desperate slagging of the other two. His credibility is sinking fast.

Good points. I'm surprised he's gotten away with it for so long. He's either on too much or not enough medication and should have a lie down soon and give it a rest.

The beard stroker's credibility? Hmm

Superstar DJ? Freebass. 3 bass players? FAC 251? "I'm a business man" Re-recording JD songs? The Collectors Edition £350 book?

I'm waiting for the next scraping of the barrel: The Light live at Preston Warehouse - "everything through the bass amp!"

gillian she sings like an angel. she is a talented keyboardist. stephen is a fabulous drummer and keyboardist. hooky is out of his mind

mark reed wrote:

/AUTOJACK OFF.

Not sure I care for the sound of that.

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Agreed.

I can't help thinking but Hooky has turned into the clown in public he probably always has been. Maybe it was really hard for the other three to keep up with him for so long. It seems like he's trying to destroy anything that made that band special to destroy on purpose. Anyway, I will love his bass playing forever.

lee wrote: its strange he's coming out with stuff about gillian and steve now

i seem to recall an interview,i think it was with stephen hague about the recording and writing of true faith(i could be wrong on both of those)

and he said the 4 of them did their parts seperately around each other,so he can't be saying she brought nothing to the sound

Didn't Hooky form a band called "Revenge"?

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

It wouldn't be an issue if Hooky had never quit New Order, only to be surprised that they decided to carry on without him.

A Very Small Boy posted this here:

"I know the relationship between Barney and Hooky at school was always that of owner and pet but I am not sure at what stage Hooky decided to slip the leash."

While they've certainly outgrown that relationship, attitudes and resentments clearly linger on. After each hiatus, it's unlikely Barney came back saying "right, we're all equals now".

Andy wrote: A Very Small Boy posted this here:

"I know the relationship between Barney and Hooky at school was always that of owner and pet but I am not sure at what stage Hooky decided to slip the leash."

While they've certainly outgrown that relationship, attitudes and resentments clearly linger on. After each hiatus, it's unlikely Barney came back saying "right, we're all equals now".

Surely it's the case that they were equals early on and that Bernard only began to take control later, it would appear to me that Peter Hook had his greatest role in song composition during the Joy Division phase and as time passed and the band as New Order began to experiment more with electronics that Bernard grew in confidence as a singer and began to take the creative lead within the band..

Zachery Starkey wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Steve, on the other hand has a very, very good memory, and I must admit over the past few months I’ve really missed not being able to ring him up and say ‘oh, I just wanted to get a certain detail’. That is a great regret, but that’s life isn’t it? People come, people go,

"People come, people go" especially when you've spent your last few press packs a) dismissing any creative input his wife ever had in New Order, b) insinuating she's a poor musician and c) diminishing his own contribution towards the latter part of the band's career. Really, I can't think why Steve wouldn't literally be hanging on the end of a line wanting to reminisce over the good old days...

Fucking hell does nobody read any of this before it goes out? I know there's stuff going on behind the scenes but even to the most loyal fan trying to be impartial it reads badly. I really do miss the good old days of the 1990s when they all said "we have no plans to work together" and left it at that.

No such dignity.

Hooky's fury with Gillian is just because he consideres her a betrayer. Without her back there would never exist New Order "Now" just Bad Lieutenant.

It wouldn't be an issue if Hooky had never quit New Order, only to be surprised that they decided to carry on without him.

I am pretty sure that if Hooky did not decide to do that that JD UP and Closer stuff, there would be no New Order Now

seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

new order makes life interesting . the excitement on nool is awesome. i can't wait until they create more songs, and hopefully release the 6 next month.

Tarbox23 wrote: seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

Nail. On. Head.

Nick King wrote:

Tarbox23 wrote: seriously, nobody ever mentions how Morris or Sumner feel having Hooky 'replace' them with a new drummer and guitarist in The Light...

Hooky did that first.

and now he has the gall to get pissy about Tom Chapman?

does. not. compute.

Nail. On. Head.

I can just imagine Hooky's response though... Hooky will probably claim that because he's playing as 'The Light' and not 'Joy Division', it's OK, but that Bernard etc are playing as 'New Order' that he doesn't seem to like. Mind you, I don't agree with that kind of response, but I can only imagine Hooky's response to be something like that.

NotAMod wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote: I am pretty sure that if Hooky did not decide to do that that JD UP and Closer stuff, there would be no New Order Now

Are you saying that because you read Bernard saying the same thing in an interview 2 weeks ago?

Cheers for the link.

Did not know that.