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During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's. Can someone confirm this is now the case? And that's even before the US tour is announced.....
Kerr, and indeed, ching. They'll have wallets like bibles by the end of the year.
GlasVegas wrote: Kerr, and indeed, ching. They'll have wallets like bibles by the end of the year.
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GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's.
A huge tour from a group (singer) that hated touring.
Either Bernard wants a new boat , or he really wants to
piss Hooky off.
Obviously they could be doing it because he cares about
the fans 
Ger Boy wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's.
A huge tour from a group (singer) that hated touring. Either Bernard wants a new boat , or he really wants to piss Hooky off. Obviously they could be doing it because he cares about the fans
Bernard doesn't own a boat, he hires one, they're very expensive even with a few million under your belt, but I'd bet on the 2nd suggestion, I'd also suggest that's why they're playing Here to stay!
Or could it be they have a court appearance and things may not go their way and this the last chance to perform live, regardless of money issues!
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's. Can someone confirm this is now the case?
You're right, Grahame. I've counted the concerts they did each year and this is what I got:
1989: 42 concerts 1993: 14 concerts 1998: 4 concerts 2001: 19 concerts 2002: 16 concerts 2005: 21 concerts 2006: 19 concerts 2012: 29 concerts (so far)
Ger Boy wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's.
A huge tour from a group (singer) that hated touring. Either Bernard wants a new boat , or he really wants to piss Hooky off. Obviously they could be doing it because he cares about the fans
My guess it's to fuck Hooky over in any way THEY can...
One Brain wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's. Can someone confirm this is now the case?
You're right, Grahame. I've counted the concerts they did each year and this is what I got:
1989: 42 concerts 1993: 14 concerts 1998: 4 concerts 2001: 19 concerts 2002: 16 concerts 2005: 21 concerts 2006: 19 concerts 2012: 29 concerts (so far)
Jeeez. They'll burst 42 shows this year easily. So they're playing more shows than they did to promote the last 4 albums having not released any new material for 7 years.... Good luck to anyone who still reckons it's anything but a big fat cash-in.
Jed Stephens wrote:
Ger Boy wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's.
A huge tour from a group (singer) that hated touring. Either Bernard wants a new boat , or he really wants to piss Hooky off. Obviously they could be doing it because he cares about the fans
Bernard doesn't own a boat, he hires one, they're very expensive even with a few million under your belt, but I'd bet on the 2nd suggestion, I'd also suggest that's why they're playing Here to stay!
A quick Google search suggests that Bernard does own a boat (Siren I/II ?). He's even written a testimonial for the boat delivery company.
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's. Can someone confirm this is now the case? And that's even before the US tour is announced.....
Kerr, and indeed, ching. They'll have wallets like bibles by the end of the year.
It's true, how insightful of you! I offer my congratulations on your powers of majestic foresight!
On a serious note, stop being such a miserable cynic. Of course they're doing it because there's money on offer, but then surely that's been the case throughout most of their (and most other artists') careers. It's not the sole motivating factor. By the sounds of it they've got a really good vibe in the band now Hooky's out of the picture, and maybe they're just enjoying touring with each other now and wanted to play a few shows.
Martijn wrote:
Ger Boy wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's.
A huge tour from a group (singer) that hated touring. Either Bernard wants a new boat , or he really wants to piss Hooky off. Obviously they could be doing it because he cares about the fans
My guess it's to fuck Hooky over in any way THEY can...
Agreed! 
Skullcrushed wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: During one of the numerous 'cash in' threads back when they announced the Paris and Brussels shows last year I predicted that they'd play more shows in 2012 than they have in any one year since the 80's. Can someone confirm this is now the case? And that's even before the US tour is announced.....
Kerr, and indeed, ching. They'll have wallets like bibles by the end of the year.
It's true, how insightful of you! I offer my congratulations on your powers of majestic foresight!
On a serious note, stop being such a miserable cynic. Of course they're doing it because there's money on offer, but then surely that's been the case throughout most of their (and most other artists') careers. It's not the sole motivating factor. By the sounds of it they've got a really good vibe in the band now Hooky's out of the picture, and maybe they're just enjoying touring with each other now and wanted to play a few shows.
Thank you, it's nice to have my powers as number one smart-alec appreciated for a change although I'm neither a cynic nor miserable. Good luck to them, I'll certainly be taking in at least one show. As I've said before, we've all got to make a living. Just find it strange that one person's act, The Light, is seen as as being entirely money driven and in bad taste while New Order v2, doing a nostalgia tour, is seen as being about something else, something more artistic and somehow more 'worthy'. To me, they're both cash-ins, trading on nostalgia. Which is no bad thing. I love a bit of nostalgia.
BS doesn't 'enjoy touring' he's made that clear on numerous ocassions. He doesn't have an album to promote either. So what else is motivating him to do more shows in one year than he has since the 80's?
GlasVegas wrote:
Thank you, it's nice to have my powers as number one smart-alec appreciated for a change although I'm neither a cynic nor miserable. Good luck to them, I'll certainly be taking in at least one show. As I've said before, we've all got to make a living. Just find it strange that one person's act, The Light, is seen as as being entirely money driven and in bad taste while New Order v2, doing a nostalgia tour, is seen as being about something else, something more artistic and somehow more 'worthy'. To me, they're both cash-ins, trading on nostalgia. Which is no bad thing. I love a bit of nostalgia.
Yeah well done GlasVegas 
I for one def happy & grateful for Barney & co for their willingness to do the touring, esp. to Oz being so far on other side...
I am still looking forward to The Light's tour next month and also grateful towards Hooky for this & 2010's UP tour - for the opportunity to listen to JD songs live & loud & as close as possible to those glory days of late 70s which I have missed ...cheers Hooky See you next month!!:)
GlasVegas wrote: Just find it strange that one person's act, The Light, is seen as as being entirely money driven and in bad taste while New Order v2, doing a nostalgia tour, is seen as being about something else, something more artistic and somehow more 'worthy'.
To be a smart-alec in return 
this reunion is relatively recent thing and only this time last year Bernard, Phil and Steve were still touring Bad Lieutenant - promoting original material with a few JD/NO classics thrown in primarily due to the singer and drummer's notoriety.
Whatever people think of the BL album itself or the shows they put on, Bernard and Steve definitely took the initial non cash-in route writing new material and playing both at home and abroad in much smaller venues than they were used to at NO's peak. For someone who hated playing live, Bernard certainly dragged that album out on the road despite knowing it was probably going to make a paltry return under an unknown name. If they were "cashing in" surely they would have gone straight to performing "Round & Round" as "New Order" in 2009?
Freebass traded heavily on Manc bassist superstar credentials but couldn't really keep the various egos in check to be a viable touring entity and The Light have toured nostalgia from day one which is why some fans were probably drawing comparisons between the others and Hooky up until recently. I do agree though, there's nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgia. I've seen The Light at least once, they did the music justice and from what I've read give regularly to epilepsy charities and deserve respect for that.
It's also true that now there is little difference between what The Light and New Order do; they merely cover different areas of a shared back catalogue with different approaches I.e. The Light favour rocky "album concept" sets whereas NO do hi-tech "best of" sets. The only thing which would define which you enjoy more is whether you prefer Joy Division or New Order. Or how much of the original band you want to see on stage (the controversial bit).
NotAMod wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: Just find it strange that one person's act, The Light, is seen as as being entirely money driven and in bad taste while New Order v2, doing a nostalgia tour, is seen as being about something else, something more artistic and somehow more 'worthy'.
To be a smart-alec in return
Whatever people think of the BL album itself or the shows they put on, Bernard and Steve definitely took the initial non cash-in route writing new material and playing both at home and abroad in much smaller venues than they were used to at NO's peak. For someone who hated playing live, Bernard certainly dragged that album out on the road despite knowing it was probably going to make a paltry return under an unknown name. If they was "cashing in" surely they would have gone straight to performing "Round & Round" as "New Order" in 2009?
Freebass who heavily traded on Manc bassist superstar credentials couldn't really keep the various egos in check to be a viable touring entity. The Light have toured as nostalgia from day one which is why some fans were probably drawing comparisons between the others and Hooky up until recently. I do agree though, there's nothing wrong with a bit of nostalgia. I've seen The Light at least once, they did the music justice and from what I've read give regularly to epilepsy charities and deserve respect for that.
It's also true that now there is little difference between what The Light and New Order do; they merely cover different areas of a shared back catalogue with different approaches I.e. The Light favour "album concept" sets whereas NO do "best of" sets. The only thing which would define which you enjoy more is whether you prefer Joy Division or New Order. Or how much of the original band you want to see on stage (the controversial bit).
Well said, NotAMod. 
Mind you, if New Order (the current lineup) continue to just tour older New Order songs for many years from now without doing anything new, then I will criticise. Or, if someone in the band says (in an interview, for example) that they will never write anything new under any circumstance as a musician, whether as New Order, or under a different name, or under a side project/collaboration, then I will criticise them for being stuck in the past. Some of the collaborations Hooky did were great (that Autokratz song etc), but Hooky seems more reluctant than the other members to make anything new, for whatever reason. (That's how I see it; I don't know exactly what Hooky feels.) His frequent talking about internet and downloading and how he seems to feel it's difficult to make money on new material further reinforces this impression.
Also, some of the 'newer' New Order songs they've played are from the 1990s and early to mid 2000s. (Here to Stay, Krafty are from the 2000s). But the newest JD material is from the early 1980s. So both may be nostalgia, but JD is even more older. I'm sure Freebass could've gigged a bit, like BL did, but Hooky seems to have chosen touring JD albums (touring music that is well-known and 30 years old, as opposed to touring new Freebass material+maybe some older JD hits mixed).
Mind you, I'm not criticising, but I'm pointing out some things that may affect people's perceptions of the two groups.
GlasVegas wrote: BS doesn't 'enjoy touring' he's made that clear on numerous ocassions. He doesn't have an album to promote either. So what else is motivating him to do more shows in one year than he has since the 80's?
Maybe he does enjoy it when he doesnt have all that record label crap to deal with? No appearences on wanky kids TV shows and most of the press Ive read seem to have been conducted round Steves house before the tour started.
Theres been a lot of comments about how he seems to be enjoying himself on stage so perhaps its gone from being a necessary evil to a pressure-less way of earning a few quid.
Midnight Blue wrote: and which Viking is doing the most?
Nobby is pissing it after his jaunt to Oz.
Should imagine JG will run him a close second though.
All depends on how many US dates either of those two are prepared to do. 
Ummmm, so there are people on here complaining because New Order are touring?! So are you saying you would rather they didn't tour? Seems a bit dumb to me.
Regarding their motive for touring.... yeah it probably is to earn some money (I'm sure Tom and Phil aren't living in mansions, driving tanks or sailing boats)..... and some of that money might be used to fund production of a spangly fresh new NO album, so stop frickin' moanin' and bitchin' :-)
I'm glad they are touring, I got to see them for the first time ever. Compared with some of the early 80's YouTube videos, I'm also glad the quality of the gig is a LOT better, no shambles of the early days.
Whats wrong with a lap of honour? They earnt it!
...but Hooky seems more reluctant than the other members to make anything new, for whatever reason. (That's how I see it; I don't know exactly what Hooky feels.) His frequent talking about internet and downloading and how he seems to feel it's difficult to make money on new material further reinforces this impression.
What you have to remember is that this bunch were used to making more money off a 12" single back in the 80s than you'd likely make on an album these days.
johnny james wrote:
...but Hooky seems more reluctant than the other members to make anything new, for whatever reason. (That's how I see it; I don't know exactly what Hooky feels.) His frequent talking about internet and downloading and how he seems to feel it's difficult to make money on new material further reinforces this impression.
What you have to remember is that this bunch were used to making more money off a 12" single back in the 80s than you'd likely make on an album these days.
I see.
Maybe they are keeping any plans to record as New Order again under wraps pending the outcome of whatever legal action Hooky is taking against them.. The best chance otherwise of hearing new music from them might be if they were asked to contribute a song or two to a movie soundtrack as was the case with "The Beach".
El Jarvo wrote:
Midnight Blue wrote: and which Viking is doing the most?
Nobby is pissing it after his jaunt to Oz.
Should imagine JG will run him a close second though.
All depends on how many US dates either of those two are prepared to do.
But where do these chaps get the readies for this? More to the point how do they keep their wives and girlfriends sweet?
"I'm just off to Australia for a week or two, love... Oh yeah, then maybe a jaunt to the US. Make sure there's some milk in the fridge when I get back. Ta-ra!"
(I'm only asking cos I'm right jealous, likes.)
RichShan wrote: More to the point how do they keep their wives and girlfriends sweet?
(I'm only asking cos I'm right jealous, likes.)
Don't. I'm already trying to earn enough brownie points at home to make a small trip to the US later this year.
For some it's a religion and for others it's a straight competition to see who can do the most No gigs ever.
I gave up years ago, now it's more selective, new country or town. Plus you do meet some really good folks all with the same interest, which you won't get everyday in your neighbourhood or at work, unless your lucky, hence this forum and the amount of threads and interest.
And yes, I am certain this is their swansong, hence all the dates and locations. Jarvo, I am sure is right about a big blow out stateside later in the year. Something brewing between the aggrieved parties. Hooky won't take this lieing down.
Captain Solo wrote: I gave up years ago, now it's more selective, new country or town. Plus you do meet some really good folks all with the same interest, which you won't get everyday in your neighbourhood or at work, unless your lucky, hence this forum and the amount of threads and interest.
Indeed. If it was just about following New Order, I'm sure most of us would've given up a long time ago. In all honesty, I'm not expecting much from these gigs at all. Perhaps the odd surprise, but nothing to get too excited about.
I'm doing Vienna and Prague just because I've never been to either City, and this gives me an excuse to go with a group of mates I rarely get chance to see these days.
I've got a ticket for Berlin, but will probably sacrifice that now, as it's too much time off work and I've done Berlin before ... last time, funnily enough, on a stag do with a bunch of blokes I first met from following New Order.
agreed going to gigs is either in your blood or not.I will be up to 800 this year since 1985. New Order will always be my favourite band of all time and recorder my 2 favourite songs of all time.
However as the post earlier shows since i was able to go to gigs properly (working and transport available) around 1986 onwards i have only seen them around 20 odd times.
I went to NYC (hammerstein) as i have friends in New Jersey and attended the after show hooky was DJing at and this was a great night.
BUT nothing will ever surpass the gig at the Manchester Apollo on thursday 16th july 1998 that me and my wife travelled from Reading to see.
it was halfway through BLT i realised this will be the greatest gig will ever attend and still hold true today.
I cherish every moment i can be at a new order gig because it is special and the reason there are so many similar passionate posts from a load of "old idiots' like me on this website
