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Been doing a lot of travelling recently, with only an old car tape player for company, so naturally I've been digging out some of the old tapes. Many haven't been listened to for a good twenty years, so it's been great to reminisce while driving, and surprisingly many songs that I used to be indifferent to have now become firm live favourites (it's that long since I listened to any of the records I've forgotten many of the production nuances).

Current live favourites are:

Hurt Ultraviolence We All Stand ICB Confusion In A Lonely Place Truth Thieves Like Us Temptation Chosen Time

Over to you guys, what floats your nostalgia New Order live boat?

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EGG from the Kilkenny 83 gig Temptation, Zurich Volkshaus 84 Temptation again , Kilkenny 83 again. A powerhouse juggernaut that's stripped down to just Steve's drumming at the end.

Hurt , Rome 82 as featured on the Glasgow DVD. Fine Time, stadium acid house at Brum NEC 89 Ceremony, Kilkenny83 "Straight from Top Of The Pops we have New Order!"

God, loads more

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Confusion, Kilkenny 83 again. Builds and builds , that mother

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In A Lonely Place, Denial, both Bologna '82. Really powerful versions, Steve's drumming is majestic.

Lonesome Tonight, Hacienda 83. Video can be found on YouTube but I reckon it's the best live version they ever did of this track, notwithstanding Barney's shaky vocals.

Hurt, Barca 84. Definitive version of the track in my opinion

Sister Ray, Auckland '87. Storming version of this live romp.

Elegia, Glasto '87. Top version of this track again.

All Day Long, Pier 84 New York '87. Best live version of this track I've ever heard. The version of Ceremony from the same gig is pretty cool as well.

Vanishing Point, Denver '89. Again one of the best versions they did of this particular track.

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Ceremony with Ian McCulloch on vocal, GMEX 86 :bow:

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"EGG" at Kilkenny is a good call, but I thought "Little Dead" at that gig was outstanding - full of menace, which was one of the qualities that drew you in to NewOrder in those days.

"Sunrise" on Pumped Full of Drugs, similarly - all the intra-band tensions driving a huge, shaking performance of a monster of a track.

I seem to recall enjoying the version of "Blue Monday" they performed at Reading '89, with added Italian-house piano...

And, er, "Ceremony", every single time it's been played.

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Barry Noble wrote: "EGG" at Kilkenny is a good call, but I thought "Little Dead" at that gig was outstanding - full of menace, which was one of the qualities that drew you in to NewOrder in those days.

:nod: :nod: :nod:

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All the songs from Brotherhood sounded better live, but especially All Day Long and Angel Dust.

My favorite live recording is 25 August 1987/Chapter III.

I also love the way Confusion was performed live - much more electro than the 12".

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Round & Round - Auckland 2012 :evil4:

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DOH!!!!!!!!!!

:laugh:

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[orange]Jack[/orange] wrote: Round & Round - Auckland 2012 :evil4:

:brow:

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Most of the songs are much better live, the only album they actually managed to produce properly was Technique IMHO, until Get Ready and Sirens, both of which weren't mostly conceived in a live setting.

Movement sounds like Unknown Pleasures, the songs are shrouded in a dense mist and has to be played really loud to get anything out of it. Live though, the songs had all got a lot more going for them, and by the end of 1981 they were flying as a live unit. Listen to Denial, Chosen Time or ICB live and they show you what the songs were supposed to sound like without Hannett's overbearing.

PC&L grew from live evolution, all the songs were crafted over a period of months, bits added and taken away, but they crucially got Ultraviolence hopelessly wrong on record, all the menace was sucked out and what had been an outstanding live song was just another track on the album.

Low Life was a 50/50 split between songs that had been evolved live and songs that were studio conceived and had been recorded before being taken out live. That said, they managed to botch the recording on half of it, Sunrise on record isn't a patch on the live beast, and Face Up deteriorated between the early versions and the recorded version (and was never the same live after they recorded it).

Brotherhood has always felt like a weak album to me, not enough good songs and a piss-poor production that sounded like they didn't really know what to do with the songs. Broken Promise was a real beast live but sounds anaemic and generally rubbish on record. Angel Dust on record isn't a patch on the live takes. Weirdo is ruined on record. That said, BLT was got just right on the record, they managed to capture the live song absolutely spot on.

Technique, Get Ready and WFTSC were all written and recorded before the songs found their way into the live environment, so there's no real valid comparison, the recorded versions are the definitive versions.

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Mr Disco 1989 tour - Marbella, Barcelona , Corfu

:nod:

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Agree with Tim. I think the songs on the first three albums are far better live than on record. By the middle of 1982 the first album songs sounded great live as did the early versions of songs that were to become PCL. Ultraviolence and 586 are ruined on PCL. The basic drum machine and early sequencer patterns also allowed them to experiment more live with long versions sof EGG, Temptation, 585 & Ultraviolence.

Some personal faves: Temptation - Bologna 82 EGG - Brussels 82 or Walthamstow 81 586 - Milan 82 Ultraviolence - Hull 82 Chosen Time / In A Lonely Place - Futurama 82

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These ones always sounded great live for me:

Chosen Time Ultraviolence Sunrise Subculture State of the Nation Round & Round Mr. Disco

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Hurt - RFH 1984 Mr Disco - SECC 1989 Temptation - Tower Ballroom 1983 - Never bettered Senses - Tower Ballrrom 1983 In a Lonely Place - Paris 1982 Perfect Kiss (Cock) - RFH 1984 Do the Ostrich - Woolwich Coronet 1987 Face Up - RFH 1984 Decades - RFH 1984 - what a gig this was YSF - Studio 54 Barcelona 1984 Age of Consent - Switch TV 1983 Ceremony - Newcastle 2006 - great crowd participation

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50 Pound Note wrote: All the songs from Brotherhood sounded better live, but especially All Day Long and Angel Dust.

My favorite live recording is 25 August 1987/Chapter III.

I also love the way Confusion was performed live - much more electro than the 12".

Still maintain 1987 was the highpoint live. Really like the Chapter III album though haven't listened to it since the turntable was put away when we moved house 15 years ago.

Would like you to do a job on it if possible, also Brixton Academy 1987 and the Enmore Theatre if poss? Ta chuck, :thumb:

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Ceremony, Alexandra Palace 1998 :bow:

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James Thomas wrote:

50 Pound Note wrote: All the songs from Brotherhood sounded better live, but especially All Day Long and Angel Dust.

My favorite live recording is 25 August 1987/Chapter III.

I also love the way Confusion was performed live - much more electro than the 12".

Still maintain 1987 was the highpoint live.

This would make a very good setlist, apart from possibly Shellshock.

New Order's 'average' setlist for 1987, according to setlist.fm's statistics... .

http://www.setlist.fm/stats/average-setlist/new-order-63d6b237.html?year=1987

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Arfur Fuscake wrote: Agree with Tim. I think the songs on the first three albums are far better live than on record. By the middle of 1982 the first album songs sounded great live as did the early versions of songs that were to become PCL. Ultraviolence and 586 are ruined on PCL. The basic drum machine and early sequencer patterns also allowed them to experiment more live with long versions sof EGG, Temptation, 585 & Ultraviolence.

if they would get into using something like Ableton live, they could get back to that kind of stuff, would be much better than the set in stone backing they have now.

My choice, skull crusher Barcelona 1984, I loved it when they jammed stuff.

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El Jarvo wrote:

James Thomas wrote:

50 Pound Note wrote: All the songs from Brotherhood sounded better live, but especially All Day Long and Angel Dust.

My favorite live recording is 25 August 1987/Chapter III.

I also love the way Confusion was performed live - much more electro than the 12".

Still maintain 1987 was the highpoint live.

This would make a very good setlist, apart from possibly Shellshock.

New Order's 'average' setlist for 1987, according to setlist.fm's statistics... .

http://www.setlist.fm/stats/average-setlist/new-order-63d6b237.html?year=1987

Aye, drop Shellshock and stick the Sister Ray/Ostrich Medley to close

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Good thread Tim,im goiny dig out the Hacienda 82(?) gig for the blow yer tits off segue *EGG/586/Temptation on the strength of it :nod:

oh,and the Barrowlands 87 purely because it was my first ever gig

*order may be wrong,am a tad stoned

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Shellshock was a fookin' ace live track, absolutely belting. So was State of the Nation actully, never thought I'd ever say that!

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Tim wrote: Shellshock was a fookin' ace live track, absolutely belting. So was State of the Nation actully, never thought I'd ever say that!

Yes to both! Shellshock live was much, much better than on record - it always sounded like it was about to topple out of control, and that was exciting.

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Big Mouth Julio wrote: Ceremony, Alexandra Palace 1998 :bow:

I have to agree that this was a bit special - the first time Ceremony *really* got me off my head.

Notables for me:

Apollo 98 (my 1st Neworder gig): Regret - the "fuck me, I've finally got to see Neworder" moment. Isolation - the " and they're playing Joy Division!" moment.

Reading98: True Faith and Temptation.

Looking forward to the re-tooled Temptation and 586 at the Apollo in a few weeks...

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Nu Ordah wrote: Hurt - RFH 1984

Do the Ostrich - Woolwich Coronet 1987

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Do the Ostrich - Barry Nobbles Roxy, Sheffield 1987

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Had Zurich 84 on today. Great lyrics to Sooner Than You Think!

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