The New Order Cup 2012 Last 32 Tie 9: Turn vs Dreams Never End

I guess everyone will be voting for Hooky's 3 minutes of vocal fame, but bear in mind it's up against the best song they did in the last ten years one which should be viewed as a classic and which would have been had it been written in 1985 not 2005.

Not me DNE is lame and the worst track on Movement, and Turn is a classic

Agree with Tim on this... Got to be Turn...

Snorri xxx

I voted for Turn, expecting to be on the losing side in this tie. Or maybe not...

'Turn'

Always skip 'DNE' these days

LWTUA---->Turn

Voted for Turn. Dreams Never End is one of those New Order tracks that promises so much yet doesn't really deliver... the intro (first 40-50 seconds or so) is fantastic though.

I remember reading a review of Dreams Never End (I think it was reprinted in the book An Ideal for Living) where it was described as good but "nervously fails to climax". I've always agreed with that, and suspect Hooky did as well. It's likely why he began trying to punch it up by roaring the "...your SOUL!" bit in live renditions.

Turn is a great track let down by some of the most asinine rhyming couplets of Mr Sumner's career. "In the corner over there" indeed.

Plus the riff always reminds me of this 'un:

DNE

Tim wrote: I guess everyone will be voting for Hooky's 3 minutes of vocal fame, but bear in mind it's up against the best song they did in the last ten years one which should be viewed as a classic and which would have been had it been written in 1985 not 2005.

Nonsense 'Turn' is an ok song , but it's not even one of the best tunes on the WFTSC album.

NotAMod wrote: DNE is the best track off Movement by a country mile so I'll vote for that. Mind you, it's not up against much stiff competition from those other tracks

Nah, to be fair I rate Movement a hell of a lot more these days than I did back in the 90s when I first bought it. It's not really "New Order" to me... more the missing link between Joy Division and New Order; neither one nor the other.

Still, some good stuff on it.

The movement tracks were great live in the 80's and full of power/ I miss em especially Chosen Time :)

Turn, very moving. Pardon the pun.

Turn? Classic? You're kidding, right?

I find Turn quite hard to listen to. Maybe in a few more years I'll grow to love it. But as it stands now... DNE.

Turn should have been the final song on WFTSC. Working Overtime just craps on its head.

Both these songs would be in my top five. Two of the finest singles that never were. Voted for Turn in the end, but a tough call.

Easy peasy Turn

I can't believe Turn is winning. DNE for me.

DNE. Since the fixed remaster I've been revisiting Movement quite a bit. Not played Sirens for ages.

PHD wrote: DNE. Since the fixed remaster I've been revisiting Movement quite a bit. Not played Sirens for ages.

Is the remaster significantly better than the original? If so, I may have to check it out.

DNE is boring, doesn't really take the listener anywhere, and the vocals have always felt unnecessarily forced -

but i would pick Movement over WftSC any day of the week.

Thing's become personal here