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Forgive me if this has already been posted but I noticed this on Iplayer.
To complement the 6 Music Celebrates Dance Culture season, a chance to hear Stuart Maconie telling the story of the "Madchester" music scene - featuring interviews with Clint Boon of Inspiral Carpets, Mani of Stone Roses, Anthony H Wilson of Factory Records, Peter Hook of New Order, Dave Haslam (DJ at the Hacienda), Bez of The Happy Mondays, writer Miranda Sawyer and Mike Pickering (DJ & M People).
No definitive article in Happy Mondays. :)
It really annoys me when even writers call them The Happy Mondays.
It's either the Mondays or [the] Happy Mondays....... as Tony Wilson always called them.
Anyway, much of Madchester was a crock of overhyped shite anyway - as somebody else on this forum by the name of J****y would happily testify.
I'd just turned 16 the week before the Mondays and Roses TOTP performance and had already embraced the whole Madchester thing with gusto. It was brilliant to have a 'scene' to be part of. Always thought the Mondays were a bit 'emperor's new clothes' though, even at that age. Especially live. Sounded a bit too much like the bad white soul/funk that came out of Glasgow in the early to mid-80's which defined the city for a few years and which I really really hated (still do). I loved everything about the Mondays apart from their music!
Looking back on it now, none of it's stood the test of time. You could argue the first Roses album is a 'classic' but I'd probably disagree. I played it every day for about 3 years from when it came out but any time I've re-visited it since then it's never done anything for me. The memeories of their Glasgow Green gig in the summer of 1990, their last ever in the original line up (til now), remain pretty special though. And I won't be sullying them by going to see them anywhere this summer.
GlasVegas wrote: I'd just turned 16 the week before the Mondays and Roses TOTP performance and had already embraced the whole Madchester thing with gusto.
I genuinely believe the TOTP was already the beginning of the end for the Mondays, purely from a musical perspective (obviously, it took them to another level after that). To this day, I still think the likes of Tart Tart, Kuff Dam and LMO's Rap are absolute classics, and can still listen to Bummed over and over. As soon as they stuck the word 'Madchester' on a record (despite the contents of that EP itself - Rave On, Holy Ghost, etc, being proper corkers) that was sort-of 'it' for me, alas. I never really warmed to Pills and certainly not much of their output beyond that, although Judge Fudge growled along nicely.
Always thought Roses were very much of 'their time', and even when they came back in 94/95(?) they seemed a massively spent force.
Everyone I know clamouring to see the Roses this year seems to be 10 years my junior, which perhaps explains it and they're harking back to their teenage years ... er, like what I do with New Order. Oh well.
I found much of Squirrel and G-Man unlistenable. I got it second hand in the summer of '88 on cassette in that big box with no artwork that Factory used to put some cassette's out in (I've got Brotherhood in the same type of box). 24 Hour Party People works but the rest I didn't get. Doubt I've listened to that since the very early 90's (when I last had a cassette player). Bummed sounded like a really loose jam and as I said previously had a few too many 'funky' elements. Pills and thrills I never actually owned but knew it inside out. You couldn't move for that album in 1990.
The Glasgow Green show remains the one and only time I've seen the Roses so I can't comment on the '94 incarnation. I had just left school, roasting hot summer's evening, full of cheap lager and watching the most hyped band in the world.....how could it not have been amazing for a 16 year old that night?
I'd like to think the majority of people going to see the Roses this time around are the kids that missed out first time. You can't undersestimate how popular they remain with the young team, kids not even born in 1990. I just couldn't be less interested. And a bit of me wants to retain the memories of that gig 22 years ago. Muffy gave me an amazing bootleg of the Glasgow Green show a while back, really captures the night. It's held up among the Roses 'ardcore as the best live recording out there.
El Jarvo wrote:
GlasVegas wrote: I'd just turned 16 the week before the Mondays and Roses TOTP performance and had already embraced the whole Madchester thing with gusto.
I genuinely believe the TOTP was already the beginning of the end for the Mondays, purely from a musical perspective (obviously, it took them to another level after that). To this day, I still think the likes of Tart Tart, Kuff Dam and LMO's Rap are absolute classics, and can still listen to Bummed over and over. As soon as they stuck the word 'Madchester' on a record (despite the contents of that EP itself - Rave On, Holy Ghost, etc, being proper corkers) that was sort-of 'it' for me, alas. I never really warmed to Pills and certainly not much of their output beyond that, although Judge Fudge growled along nicely.
Always thought Roses were very much of 'their time', and even when they came back in 94/95(?) they seemed a massively spent force.
Everyone I know clamouring to see the Roses this year seems to be 10 years my junior, which perhaps explains it and they're harking back to their teenage years ... er, like what I do with New Order. Oh well.
Yes.
Yes.
So so right.
GlasVegas wrote:
The memeories of their Glasgow Green gig in the summer of 1990, their last ever in the original line up (til now), remain pretty special though. And I won't be sullying them by going to see them anywhere this summer.
This.
Glasgow Green was a top top gig,blew the farce that was Spike Island right out the water
Though i think i did drunkenly agree to take my mates ticket for them in June last night as he cant make it .
