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Did the important moments of JD only occur in Cars and Vans? What about other forms of transport?
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Unknown Pleasures – Inside Joy Division
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poorshakes wrote: Did the important moments of JD only occur in Cars and Vans? What about other forms of transport?
Trains are for lazy cunts.
Coops wrote:
poorshakes wrote: Did the important moments of JD only occur in Cars and Vans? What about other forms of transport?
Trains are for lazy cunts.
LOL
Hopefully will enlighten the world, but in how many limited edition formats will it come in and at what cost.
Also, nice to see Hooky mention Barney first and by name.
Hook slags off professional writers who 'weren't in the room' for releasing accounts of the JD history, so here's everyone's chance to learn the real truth about the band from a primary witness. Or is it?. Well he'd love us to fall for that but all Hook's confused ramblings over the last few years make him the least reliable source of the lot.
An unhealthy vested interest in bigging up his involvement together with a major axe to grind all coated in the bitterness with which he's become renowned will make it tricky for retailers to decide whether to file this under fact or fiction.
Caveat Emptor.
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JG wrote: Hook slags off professional writers who 'weren't in the room' for releasing accounts of the JD history, so here's everyone's chance to learn the real truth about the band from a primary witness. Or is it?. Well he'd love us to fall for that but all Hook's confused ramblings over the last few years make him the least reliable source of the lot.
An unhealthy vested interest in bigging up his involvement together with a major axe to grind all coated in the bitterness with which he's become renowned will make it tricky for retailers to decide whether to file this under fact or fiction.
Caveat Emptor.
If he wants to tell his perspective, all right, but I don't really believe one person (or book) is wrong and another is right. It's just that there are different POVs, no matter the writer; whether a journalist, or Ian's wife, or Hooky, or whoever else. That said, I'm not really interested.
JG wrote: Hook slags off professional writers who 'weren't in the room' for releasing accounts of the JD history, so here's everyone's chance to learn the real truth about the band from a primary witness. Or is it?. Well he'd love us to fall for that but all Hook's confused ramblings over the last few years make him the least reliable source of the lot.
An unhealthy vested interest in bigging up his involvement together with a major axe to grind all coated in the bitterness with which he's become renowned will make it tricky for retailers to decide whether to file this under fact or fiction.
Caveat Emptor.
in so long as it is genuinely written in "uberrima fidea" otherwise I concur.
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Bernard Sumner on Joy Division Book: "One Day The Truth Will Come Out"
He was in Joy Division so he has a right to write the book. But he's a very opinionated person and quite a lot of the time his opinions are wrong – so I'd be very wary of that book.
Eventually the truth always comes out doesn't it? One day the truth will come out.
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confusion wrote: Bernard Sumner on Joy Division Book: "One Day The Truth Will Come Out"
He was in Joy Division so he has a right to write the book. But he's a very opinionated person and quite a lot of the time his opinions are wrong – so I'd be very wary of that book.
Eventually the truth always comes out doesn't it? One day the truth will come out.
Interesting...
leather-girl wrote:
JG wrote: Hook slags off professional writers who 'weren't in the room' for releasing accounts of the JD history, so here's everyone's chance to learn the real truth about the band from a primary witness. Or is it?. Well he'd love us to fall for that but all Hook's confused ramblings over the last few years make him the least reliable source of the lot.
An unhealthy vested interest in bigging up his involvement together with a major axe to grind all coated in the bitterness with which he's become renowned will make it tricky for retailers to decide whether to file this under fact or fiction.
Caveat Emptor.
If he wants to tell his perspective, all right, but I don't really believe one person (or book) is wrong and another is right. It's just that there are different POVs, no matter the writer; whether a journalist, or Ian's wife, or Hooky, or whoever else. That said, I'm not really interested.
Actually, writers have no POV at all, since none of them lived the thing. Not that films or books can't depict most of what happened correctly, at least the public stuff, but take Control, for instance, several of its scenes were taken out of the Jon Savage interview with Barney.
Writers can create or present a point of view through how they tell the story though. Yes I know Hooky lived through it but it's not a case of Hooky being right and the journos wrong, or vice versa.
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Wouldn't have expected anything other from Bernard. Bottom line is whether all the recollections are 100% accurate, it'll still be entertaining and enlightening. And after all, it wouldn't be Factory related if it was totally accurate, would it? Really looking forward to reading it.
I'm guessing anything Hooky related in this book will have to be taken with a load of salt. Could be a while before I read it though - I'll get it when Lost Sirens comes out. ![[:p]](/emoticons/tongue.gif){kind=small}
seals wrote: I'm guessing anything Hooky related in this book will have to be taken with a load of salt. Could be a while before I read it though - I'll get it when Lost Sirens comes out.
There's an idea, could Hooky be delaying the Lost Sirens to coincide with the release of the JD book?
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Debaser wrote: I doubt it, but boycotting the book until Lost Sirens comes out is an interesting idea...
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lol
Atmosphere isn't Hook's favourite JD song? thought he'd said on many occasions it was.
Not keen on the book's cover but i'm coming round more now to reading it
Big preview/article with pics in physical NME now (just saw the advertisement, not the actual thing), things heating up, perhaps the reason NO are playing and planing to play more JD songs?
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Jul wrote: Big preview/article with pics in physical NME now (just saw the advertisement, not the actual thing), things heating up, perhaps the reason NO are playing and planing to play more JD songs?
I personally didn't interpret it that way, honestly. But who knows? That said, that's Hooky's book isn't it? I don't think it's as simple as 'Oh Hooky wrote a book about JD so were're going to play a bunch of JD songs'.
Bought the NME with the feature about this book. Might scan and post here some of the rare unseen pics just to give my scanner a run out if nowt else. One or two pics i've never seen
leather-girl wrote: I've seen the carousel pic of JD above, using Google image search.
Yeah, posted more out of curiou to find out if anyone knows who the other guy is.
johnny wrote:
leather-girl wrote: I've seen the carousel pic of JD above, using Google image search.
Yeah, posted more out of curiou to find out if anyone knows who the other guy is.
Maybe he was a journalist who happened to be with them on the day,
from one review I have read of it seemingly the book is full of anecdotes like the time they played a gig in Preston and didn't get paid so instead the merry pranksters stole 30(?) frozen chickens from the venue...
It wasn't all doom and gloom you know..![[;)]](/emoticons/wink.gif){kind=small}
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Cheers Jack , did wonder if twas Twinny
Just ordered the book, £10 on Amazon with free delivery. I also ordered a new balaclava (with peak)while i was on there.
And this is it ![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
Ace.
Jack wrote: the other guy on the carousel is twinny, joy division's roadie & hooky's best friend...
😎
Rorschach wrote:
seals wrote: I'll get it when Lost Sirens comes out.
I think this is a good idea. I'm in.
Should be official NOOL policy :)
M1 wrote:
Rorschach wrote:
seals wrote: I'll get it when Lost Sirens comes out.
I think this is a good idea. I'm in.
Should be official NOOL policy :)
Yes a very good idea indeed!
Yep, I WILL NOT BUY THIS BOOK UNTIL LOST SIRENS HAS BEEN RELEASED. Please take note Mr Hook.
M1 wrote:
fac51 wrote: HMV have an exclusive edition on their site, but they didn't include any info on it. Does anyone know what is exclusive about their edition?
Comes with a CD of retooled Stiff Kittens demos by Peter Hook & the Light (feat Tony Hadley)
And the Lost Sirens tracks, as performed by Peter Hook & the Light (featuring the hologram of Ian Curtis).
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fac51 wrote: HMV have an exclusive edition on their site, but they didn't include any info on it. Does anyone know what is exclusive about their edition?
On Amazon UK there are two versions of the hardcover edition. One costing £10 and the other costing £15.74, the cheaper one seemingly has 336 pages whilst the dearer option has 368 pages and a more attractive cover.
By the way While browsing on the Wasterstones site I came across this especially for those who wish to boycott the Hooky Book..I Thought it had sold out..
Big Mouth Julio wrote:
johnny wrote: Atmosphere isn't Hook's favourite JD song? thought
No, it's The Eternal.
I recall him saying Atmosphere was the song he was most proud of... maybe that's not the same as his favourite 😕
Debaser wrote: Yep, I WILL NOT BUY THIS BOOK UNTIL LOST SIRENS HAS BEEN RELEASED. Please take note Mr Hook.
you'll be waiting a long fucking time then old pal.
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Debaser wrote: Yep, I WILL NOT BUY THIS BOOK UNTIL LOST SIRENS HAS BEEN RELEASED. Please take note Mr Hook.
you'll be waiting a long fucking time then old pal.
So be it. There's been enough stuff written already.
The Shadow wrote: Cheers for the link, can't wait to read it
I bought it yesterday in HMV - (Hardback @ €13)
I started reading it last night and just finished it a while ago.![[read]](/emoticons/read.gif){kind=small}
I don't see how anyone who is a fan of JD/NO could not find it an engrossing read.. But you can all judge for yourselves....
BTY - There is a typo on page 286 "always" is spelt "alaways" 😈
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It's not released until 27th on iTunes. I might buy it then.
I leafed through it in Waterstones yesterday. It was reduced by £5 and every page I looked at had a story about urine.
I only looked at about three pages though.
Strangely, as I was walking back to the car, Hooky drove past me. He never let on.
bloodynora wrote: is it just me or does anyone else find the title a bit double entendre-ish?
It didn't cross my mind.
bloodynora wrote: is it just me or does anyone else find the title a bit double entendre-ish?
You're surely referring to Albert Speer's book?
Biginoil wrote: every page I looked at had a story about urine.
There is a lot in the book about the "japing" that went on alright, or "Team Building" as it would be referred to nowadays...
There was a bit of thieving going on back then aswell - and not the thieving of riffs either..
Biginoil wrote: It's not released until 27th on iTunes. I might buy it then.
I leafed through it in Waterstones yesterday. It was reduced by £5 and every page I looked at had a story about urine.
I only looked at about three pages though.
Strangely, as I was walking back to the car, Hooky drove past me. He never let on.
Your taking the piss
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S'alright, not a bad read. Been off work sick all week so occupied some time reading through it. Though with a fuzzy head full of cold not everything i read i digested properly . I seem to enjoy reading about Joy Division a lot more than actually listening to them these days. Rarely stick their tunes on. What comes across a lot in the book is how rough it was for the band those years JD were around , freezing cold dressing rooms and venues, being shit on and messed around by headline acts at gigs and promoters not interested, no money, etc etc.Some amusing tales but i didn't find the story about putting mice on Buzzcocks' tour bus that interesting, bit of a mild anecdote that one, i thought.
Will be a lot more interested to read Hook's inside New Order book, but i guess that's gonna be a few years wait
Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Will be a lot more interested to read Hook's inside New Order book, but i guess that's gonna be a few years wait
The last couple of chapters will all BE IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE OF THOSE BASTARDS, THOSE BLOODY ROBBING BASTARDS!!
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Coops wrote:
Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Will be a lot more interested to read Hook's inside New Order book, but i guess that's gonna be a few years wait
The last couple of chapters will all BE IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUSE OF THOSE BASTARDS, THOSE BLOODY ROBBING BASTARDS!!
Yeah or like a jealous spurned lover's letter to their ex, expressing their rage, the words and letters get more and more messy and by the end are an indecipherable scribble.
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Well in the end i did feel driven to look up a few JD tunes on Spotify and found a mix of LWTUA i've never heard, the Love Will Tear Us Apart (Martin Hannett Sessions) version. Spotify states this version surfaced in 2011? Was probably aware of it at the time but somehow never heard it. Yeah, it's ok, quite liked it. Hook's bass is more melodic to my ears on that version and Steve's drumming has a softer feel and sound. Not so keen on the fade out as opposed to the 2 versions i'm familiar with. Also a Martin Hannett Sessions version of Leaders Of Men on there i'd never heard.
Oh and i now appear to be listening to yet another version of LWTUA. The 12" of the Martin Hannett Sessions version
Thanks But No Thanks wrote: Well in the end i did feel driven to look up a few JD tunes on Spotify and found a mix of LWTUA i've never heard, the Love Will Tear Us Apart (Martin Hannett Sessions) version. Spotify states this version surfaced in 2011? Was probably aware of it at the time but somehow never heard it. Yeah, it's ok, quite liked it. Hook's bass is more melodic to my ears on that version and Steve's drumming has a softer feel and sound. Not so keen on the fade out as opposed to the 2 versions i'm familiar with. Also a Martin Hannett Sessions version of Leaders Of Men on there i'd never heard.
Thought his comments on certain tracks were quite eye-opening. Like 'Candidate', cos he said Hannett made them write a couple of extra songs in the studio cos he didn't think they had enough. And none of them really knew how to 'write' a song, they just jammed until something fell into shape. So, for Hooky, he just hears another jam session with a few of Ian's lyrics thrown over the top, and not a finished tune as such, whenever he hears 'Candidate' or (was it?) 'From Safety To Where?' (I know it was a track that never made the album).
As I recall Hooky described Bernards guitar playing on Candidate as very "economical", seemingly Bernard didn't like the track and I think the same applied to From Safety To Where...
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Just listening to some of the live JD stuff, Curtis really was as great a vocalist live as on any recorded stuff, think i'd tended to forget that. Must have been pretty mesmerising watching him live ,alas i was too young to be even aware of Joy Division in 1978-80. Wasn't aware of them til about 1983. Though i distinctly remember the Britain they existed in in the late 70s and which was captured in the music and image, all that decay and barren wastelands.
