Robert Smith: NO owes more to us than we to them, Gallup is better than Hooky — Forum Archive

3 Aug 2012, 05:30 · edited 3 Aug 2012, 05:32

I became interested in searching for more music with Hooky-like basslines and I already knew about The Cure, but I googled it out of curiosity and found this 2000 interview with questions from fans: http://imaginaryboys.altervista.org/english/cure/articles/youasked.htm

Here's the exact quote:

How many songs do you reckon you owe to New Order? [Anthony Black, Thetford]

Not as many as they owe to me. I think Blue Monday came out a bit earlier than The Walk but I wanted it to sound like the band Japan, not New Order. Simon Gallup and Peter Hook have got similarly aggressive personae on stage, although I think Simon is a far superior bass player. And the six-string bass was an instrument we both picked up at the same time in the early '80s. But I've never deliberately copied New Order.

Note: Hooky started playing with his 6-string Shergold Marathon before Simon Gallup, which later bought an Eccleshall 335 identical to Hooky's, and Smith is a serf-serving cunt. 😎

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3 Aug 2012, 06:44

Aah who cares what some old goff thinks.

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3 Aug 2012, 09:17

Nobody owes anything to anyone.

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3 Aug 2012, 09:26 · edited 3 Aug 2012, 10:42

Volturno wrote: serf-serving

i really like this typo. that is all.

i can absolutely see bob being bad-tempered in some sort of medieval get-up.

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3 Aug 2012, 09:27

Volturno wrote: I became interested in searching for more music with Hooky-like basslines and I already knew about The Cure, but I googled it out of curiosity and found this 2000 interview with questions from fans: http://imaginaryboys.altervista.org/english/cure/articles/youasked.htm

Here's the exact quote:

How many songs do you reckon you owe to New Order? [Anthony Black, Thetford]

Not as many as they owe to me. I think Blue Monday came out a bit earlier than The Walk but I wanted it to sound like the band Japan, not New Order. Simon Gallup and Peter Hook have got similarly aggressive personae on stage, although I think Simon is a far superior bass player. And the six-string bass was an instrument we both picked up at the same time in the early '80s. But I've never deliberately copied New Order.

Note: Hooky started playing with his 6-string Shergold Marathon before Simon Gallup, which later bought an Eccleshall 335 identical to Hooky's, and Smith is a serf-serving cunt. 😎

is that a litigatious comment !

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3 Aug 2012, 10:10

🙄 yawn.

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4 Aug 2012, 00:07

Peter Hook said he played higher to hear himself over Steven Morris. Who is Simon Gallup trying to drown out? [;)]

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4 Aug 2012, 01:24

Hooky never went on stage in a dress. WTF is Fat Bob smoking??

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4 Aug 2012, 02:01

Pyrtwist wrote: Hooky never went on stage in a dress. WTF is Fat Bob smoking??

LOL. That's true.

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4 Aug 2012, 10:25

I ain't muso enuff to comment, but I remember Hooky slagging off Simon, but he slags off everyone. In 93 he was asked about imitators (Enjoy the silence, Inbetween days etc) and he said he didn't really care, journos were more interested than he was. He also said the bassline from From Safety To Where was ripped off from a Cure song, but 'You take a bit, you give a bit back.' I have never worn a dress either. Promise.

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4 Aug 2012, 15:18

Cant wait for Digi's reply....

[:d]

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5 Aug 2012, 01:19

Gazman wrote: Cant wait for Digi's reply....

Come'on Mike! Go on!

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5 Aug 2012, 01:31 · edited 5 Aug 2012, 02:04

I remember reading that interview in Q magazine at the time. Of course Smith's gonna say his own bassist is better than a rival band's. Otherwise, the answer is diplomatic enough. I like bits of what The Cure have done; "Wish" from 1992 is a top album with some good pop songs. "Disintegration" from earlier in the '80s is good too. Not really kept up with them beyond the 90s. I understand they play mammoth 3 hour sets covering old stuff these days, ironically something NO fans would kill for (... well, maybe not 3 hours!)

Tim put it well on here a few years ago... The Cure ripped off "Blue Monday" in the early 80s so NO retaliated by ripping off "Just Like Heaven" for "All The Way" on Technique or something like that.

Barney had a good anecdote about meeting Robert Smith in the mid-80s and he bought Smith a drink (or vice versa).

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5 Aug 2012, 03:11

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Gazman wrote: Cant wait for Digi's reply....

Come'on Mike! Go on!

Agreed.

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5 Aug 2012, 12:21 · edited 5 Aug 2012, 12:24

I watched Top Of The Pops 2 last night. It was pretty shit but it occured to me that Fat Bob has been pretty much copying Terry Hall and his mannerisms for most of his career. Only in a real shit way.

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5 Aug 2012, 13:44

NotAMod wrote:

Barney had a good anecdote about meeting Robert Smith in the mid-80s and he bought Smith a drink (or vice versa).

About the Milan gig last month, Gillian on Twitter said they had a fantastic gig but said the night belonged to the Cure and thanked "Roberto" for the wine.

I must confess that I have seen 5 of those 3 hour gigs. Fat Bob and Company can reach down deep inside the vault for songs. And it does not matter how many people are in The Cure or who quit. They tour North America more frequently and play more than 5 dates per tour when they come through.

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6 Aug 2012, 09:03

Gazman wrote: Cant wait for Digi's reply....

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FAT OLD PIE EATING HAIR SPRAYING BASTARD 😈

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6 Aug 2012, 09:25

Digi Mike wrote:

Gazman wrote: Cant wait for Digi's reply....

ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG FAT OLD PIE EATING HAIR SPRAYING BASTARD 😈

LMAO.

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6 Aug 2012, 23:53 · edited 6 Aug 2012, 23:56

If one said to me that their last successful single was a Hooky collaboration or a homage to NO I'd surely believe it if I didn't know any better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7q0nyrt0o

The "lead" bass sounds so much like Hooky's that it's possible the same pedals were used, even if not of the same brand.

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7 Aug 2012, 01:55

over on chain of flowers the Cure fan site, they have an interview with Robert from this summer that ran in the last issue of The Word. Interesting article all in all, but Barney and the band get a mention. Barney popped in on him mid interview to say hello at one of the shared dates they played; and then Robert talked about watching them from the side of the stage. His comment about them missing something with no Hooky was funny and echo'd many sentiments on here. Robert said something to the effect, pointing at Gallup "He and I got over each other, they could too." Pretty funny commentary from the man who may have had more drummers than Spinal Tap....

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7 Aug 2012, 06:58

Volturno wrote: If one said to me that their last successful single was a Hooky collaboration or a homage to NO I'd surely believe it if I didn't know any better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7q0nyrt0o

The "lead" bass sounds so much like Hooky's that it's possible the same pedals were used, even if not of the same brand.

"The Big Hand" also reminds me of Hooky...Link

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7 Aug 2012, 07:13

Who's Joe? wrote: over on chain of flowers the Cure fan site, they have an interview with Robert from this summer that ran in the last issue of The Word. Interesting article all in all, but Barney and the band get a mention. Barney popped in on him mid interview to say hello at one of the shared dates they played; and then Robert talked about watching them from the side of the stage. His comment about them missing something with no Hooky was funny and echo'd many sentiments on here. Robert said something to the effect, pointing at Gallup "He and I got over each other, they could too." Pretty funny commentary from the man who may have had more drummers than Spinal Tap....

Found it: http://craigjparker.blogspot.com.br/2012/07/robert-smith-interview-with-word.html The bit you mentioned:

After they come off stage we drink champagne in the dressing room and someone passes around sandwiches. Smith, Gallup and I head back to see New Order, who are very good but we all agree they’re missing something without Hooky.

“Surely they’re old enough to get over it,” Smith says. “Fucking hell! Me and him have!” he adds, indicating his bass-player stood next to him.

Cranelane wrote:

Volturno wrote: If one said to me that their last successful single was a Hooky collaboration or a homage to NO I'd surely believe it if I didn't know any better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bt7q0nyrt0o

The "lead" bass sounds so much like Hooky's that it's possible the same pedals were used, even if not of the same brand.

"The Big Hand" also reminds me of Hooky...Link

It sounds like Hooky indeed.

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7 Aug 2012, 09:20

Johnny James wrote: Nobody owes anything to anyone.

Col says you owe him £40

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8 Aug 2012, 00:50

Who's Joe? wrote: His comment about them missing something with no Hooky was funny and echo'd many sentiments on here. Robert said something to the effect, pointing at Gallup "He and I got over each other, they could too." Pretty funny commentary from the man who may have had more drummers than Spinal Tap....

Official Cure members present and past may exceed 20.

New Order sounding great even without Hooky.

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8 Aug 2012, 03:06

Pyrtwist wrote:

Who's Joe? wrote: His comment about them missing something with no Hooky was funny and echo'd many sentiments on here. Robert said something to the effect, pointing at Gallup "He and I got over each other, they could too." Pretty funny commentary from the man who may have had more drummers than Spinal Tap....

Official Cure members present and past may exceed 20.

New Order sounding great even without Hooky.

[:d]

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8 Aug 2012, 22:57

Cure have had 13 official members, I think. Not that it matters. Sounds like the two bands get on, which is for the best. Inter-band rivalry is boring!

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