New Order (Phil and Tom) interview in the Japan Times

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

Don't want to a heritage band do they.....

These guys are great. Great interview, and thanks for putting it up. Are you going to Summer Sonic?

ersatz01 wrote: These guys are great. Great interview, and thanks for putting it up. Are you going to Summer Sonic?

Unfortunately, no.

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

Chappy gets a bit sassy at the end there.

Andy wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

Chappy gets a bit sassy at the end there.

Haha! 😈 😎

Andy wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

Chappy gets a bit sassy at the end there.

Yeah, I thought that too. After all that "Cant we all just our own things?" it ends with a bit of a swipe😄

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leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

A bit of a cheeky remark.. haha.

leather-girl wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

A bit of a cheeky remark.. haha.

We do not need 2 Peter Hook's 😈

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

A bit of a cheeky remark.. haha.

We do not need 2 Peter Hook's 😈

LOL

Phil and Tom (the other other two) have sharp tongues eh?

About fucking time. I'm sick of reading Dr Hook play a grumpy superhero called Captain Angry bitching about how his former band are setting fire to the ghost of his dead dog, whilst Hooky goes off playing not a single song that isn't over 31 years old. N.O. may not be playing any new material, but the newest song they are playing happens to be 24 years younger than the newest song Hooky currently is. And Hooky seems determined to block the release of any N.O. material he has performed on. Which means that my favourite band has an album rotting on a shelf to please his ego.

I'm not stopping Hooky doing whatever he wants to do. If he wants to sell a customised guitar with a slice of a Hacienda toilet seat, an old bus ticket, handwritten lyrics to "Step On", and a limited edition yellow vinyl 10" of exclusive new re-recordings of old songs for £6,000, fine - it's up to him. I think he's a fucking joke.

And yes, I'd say so to his face, internet doubters. Possibly without the swearing. Still, integrity don't pay the bills.

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

I think, it isn't his own point of view. They have talked about it in the band.

markreed wrote: About fucking time. I'm sick of reading Dr Hook play a grumpy superhero called Captain Angry bitching about how his former band are setting fire to the ghost of his dead dog, whilst Hooky goes off playing not a single song that isn't over 31 years old. N.O. may not be playing any new material, but the newest song they are playing happens to be 24 years younger than the newest song Hooky currently is. And Hooky seems determined to block the release of any N.O. material he has performed on. Which means that my favourite band has an album rotting on a shelf to please his ego.

I'm not stopping Hooky doing whatever he wants to do. If he wants to sell a customised guitar with a slice of a Hacienda toilet seat, an old bus ticket, handwritten lyrics to "Step On", and a limited edition yellow vinyl 10" of exclusive new re-recordings of old songs for £6,000, fine - it's up to him. I think he's a fucking joke.

And yes, I'd say so to his face, internet doubters. Possibly without the swearing. Still, integrity don't pay the bills.

Agreed. I'm so glad they said it. And, I would say the same thing to his face too AND about his public disrespect to other musicians. He may be a legend, but he really bummed me out these past years, and just painted himself into a corner - I was fan, and am not anymore. I don't want to read another interview of him, attend his gigs or buy whatever book he's hocking.

**Edit to add some more thoughts**

Granted, he's gotta make money. We all need to do that just to survive. But here's how he should redeem himself to fans who appreciated him for being an artist: go make some inspired new art - photos, paintings, etc.

And by "new" art, I mean really try to do something new, not old, not repetitive, not a re-record. And if your art is going to be music again, then for godsake, use Jack and the Light - make music with your inspired son if you don't feel inspired yourself. And then, economics of selling music and downloads aside, go tour it to earn the money, and then and only then, mix up the setlist with the old stuff, but don't rely all on the old stuff. Embrace being the artist without the gripe about money - it's the only way you can enjoy it and be respected for it. That was why I respected New Order back then.

I don't mind Hooky doing the JD thing. I think it sounds pretty good. But I'd like him to STFU and stop pissing on everyone's parade about how he is going to destroy New Order.😈

Coops wrote:

Andy wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

Chappy gets a bit sassy at the end there.

Yeah, I thought that too. After all that "Cant we all just our own things?" it ends with a bit of a swipe😄

The interview begins with Cunningham taking a swife at Hooky and ends with Chapman having a go.... Am I the only person here who finds this a tad ironic considering that neither of these two had anything whatsoever to do with what made New Order special in the first place?

Igor wrote: Phil and Tom (the other other two) have sharp tongues eh?

Yes, indeed. 😎

NotAMod wrote: In a way, it's very New Order leaving the two newbies to do a major interview while the rest of them piss of and relax.

Plus if some people on here seriously think these comments are "sharp" then they must have missed those interviews by a certain ex-member of the group.

They come across as pretty reasonable guys, Hooky's got his views and they're entitled to theirs really.

They're obviously toeing the party line just as much as anyone in The Light are and slagging off the band members (on either side) is pointless.

Both bands have talented musicians playing the music well but simply got caught in the fallout as did the fans.

The comments regarding everyone going their separate ways, doing their own thing and being happy may sound fickle but wouldn't it be nice eh?

Good points.

confusion wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

leather-girl wrote: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fm20120816a2.html

"I think there will be," says Chapman "and the exciting thing is that there is going be a new chapter in New Order. There has to be new music, otherwise you just become a heritage act. Just like Peter Hook."

I think, it isn't his own point of view. They have talked about it in the band.

I'd say you hit the nail on the head - actually I'd go a bit further and say those are Barney's words spoken by his minions. Neither of them was actually in the band at the time of the first reunion, were they? And neither contributed to any of the seminal lps. Just look at the photos from the latest session. Well and truly BARNEY'S BAND now innit ?

Their next album is going to be quite amusing. It can't possibly be as good as Get Ready, and they can't escape some truths about it. There are 2 outcomes: it either ends up as another Bad Lieutenant album or it sounds like WFTSC with Chapman trying to mimic Hooky's style, which would make all these "we are going separate ways, we don't need him" statements a huge load of bullcrap.

I remember reading interviews when NO came to Brazil in 2006, and most journalists, which knew very little about the band, said that Hooky was the only cheerful member and one even said that he was probably the sole reason for the band to still exist. They should just get in a room, shout at each other for everything that got them pissed and get over it already.

Volturno wrote: Their next album is going to be quite amusing. It can't possibly be as good as Get Ready, and they can't escape some truths about it. There are 2 outcomes: it either ends up as another Bad Lieutenant album or it sounds like WFTSC with Chapman trying to mimic Hooky's style, which would make all these "we are going separate ways, we don't need him" statements a huge load of bullcrap.

I remember reading interviews when NO came to Brazil in 2006, and most journalists, which knew very little about the band, said that Hooky was the only cheerful member and one even said that he was probably the sole reason for the band to still exist. They should just get in a room, shout at each other for everything that got them pissed and get over it already.

I think that if they want to release new material, they should. Then people could listen to it and judge whether they like it or not. Even fantastic bands don't write masterpiece albums all the time, so I'm not expecting an absolute masterpiece. But I think they are capable of writing and releasing something decent. So if they want to try, then I don't mind. If there are those that don't want to listen to new material (if that happens), because Hooky's not in there, then fine. That's obviously a choice you have. In all seriousness, both sides should do their respective music.

for me, New Order's best years were from 1983-1989. everything else was just ok. it wouldn't bother me if NO released new material, however i wouldn't be excited for it. i'd rather see a new BL release or even better, a new Electronic album(i know that's not gonna happen anytime soon).

Volturno wrote: Their next album is going to be quite amusing. It can't possibly be as good as Get Ready, and they can't escape some truths about it. There are 2 outcomes: it either ends up as another Bad Lieutenant album or it sounds like WFTSC with Chapman trying to mimic Hooky's style, which would make all these "we are going separate ways, we don't need him" statements a huge load of bullcrap.

I remember reading interviews when NO came to Brazil in 2006, and most journalists, which knew very little about the band, said that Hooky was the only cheerful member and one even said that he was probably the sole reason for the band to still exist. They should just get in a room, shout at each other for everything that got them pissed and get over it already.

I think it might be you that needs to get over it - Hooky left the band 5 years ago; his former bandmates are entitled to tour and make new music if they want. Just because you are inventing rules about what new material will sound like (and comparing it to the apparent 'gold standard' of Get Ready) doesn't make them true - it could end up sounding like Low-life for all you know. Sounds like you've already decided you won't like it anyway, which I'm sure worries the band no end.

Who in the band has ever said "we are going separate ways, we don't need him"? And even if they did, why would that prohibit Tom Chapman from playing bass that sounds a bit like Hooky on a new recording? And why would the opinions of ill-informed Brazilian journalists matter?

CTB wrote:

Volturno wrote: Their next album is going to be quite amusing. It can't possibly be as good as Get Ready, and they can't escape some truths about it. There are 2 outcomes: it either ends up as another Bad Lieutenant album or it sounds like WFTSC with Chapman trying to mimic Hooky's style, which would make all these "we are going separate ways, we don't need him" statements a huge load of bullcrap.

I remember reading interviews when NO came to Brazil in 2006, and most journalists, which knew very little about the band, said that Hooky was the only cheerful member and one even said that he was probably the sole reason for the band to still exist. They should just get in a room, shout at each other for everything that got them pissed and get over it already.

I think it might be you that needs to get over it - Hooky left the band 5 years ago; his former bandmates are entitled to tour and make new music if they want. Just because you are inventing rules about what new material will sound like (and comparing it to the apparent 'gold standard' of Get Ready) doesn't make them true - it could end up sounding like Low-life for all you know. Sounds like you've already decided you won't like it anyway, which I'm sure worries the band no end.

Who in the band has ever said "we are going separate ways, we don't need him"? And even if they did, why would that prohibit Tom Chapman from playing bass that sounds a bit like Hooky on a new recording? And why would the opinions of ill-informed Brazilian journalists matter?

They sure have such right, but it's obvious that without Hooky they're just cashing in using the name. I'm not inventing rules, it's logical that it won't sound just as good, simply because there won't be Hooky's bass and input over the direction. Get Ready is not a gold standard for me by the way, it's just the last album where Hooky seemed to have say on things and you can see it being a great part of most songs. It can't sound like Low-life because songs like Face Up and Sunrise are bass-driven, for instance.

There's nothing preventing Tom Chapman from trying to mimic Hooky's style, but my point was the hypocrisy in that, which they probably would rather avoid, considering all the bad blood. What I meant talking about the brazilian journalists was that they had no prior opinion or even info about the members, so they weren't biased. And also that there's always two sides to a story, and they both could've been wrong for all we know.

Volturno wrote:

They sure have such right, but it's obvious that without Hooky they're just cashing in using the name. I'm not inventing rules, it's logical that it won't sound just as good, simply because there won't be Hooky's bass and input over the direction. Get Ready is not a gold standard for me by the way, it's just the last album where Hooky seemed to have say on things and you can see it being a great part of most songs. It can't sound like Low-life because songs like Face Up and Sunrise are bass-driven, for instance.

There's nothing preventing Tom Chapman from trying to mimic Hooky's style, but my point was the hypocrisy in that, which they probably would rather avoid, considering all the bad blood. What I meant talking about the brazilian journalists was that they had no prior opinion or even info about the members, so they weren't biased. And also that there's always two sides to a story, and they both could've been wrong for all we know.

So they weren't cashing in when Gillian wasn't there yet they are if Hooky isn't there? (I know the reasons for their departures are different but still...) And if the Brazilian journalists you're talking about knew less about the band and didn't know basic info about the members than other journalists, it just proves that their opinions are more irrelevant and more likely to be inaccurate than other journalists who know what they're talking about. (Plus, in the end, even journalists that know what they're talking about are irrelevant.) Also, about what the journalists seemed to say...

that Hooky was the only cheerful member and one even said that he was probably the sole reason for the band to still exist.

...that is being biased you know? They were making a judgement about something nonetheless.

About your earlier suggestion of ...

They should just get in a room, shout at each other for everything that got them pissed and get over it already.

I don't know if you're joking or if you're seriously suggesting it. But either way, it's a ridiculous idea. 🙄

Personally - and this is pure conjecture - I wouldn't be surprised if the half-finished BL album and Stuart Price project morph into a New Order LP, partly cos it'd shift more units, partly cos they're not the most prolific of outfits. Just a thought, no more than that. PS Given that Hooky's spent the last 5 years ripping the shit out of 'em, I'm sure we can grant Phil and Tom a mild swipe.