The Lost Sirens

blunt laser wrote:

leather-girl wrote: About 'Shake it Up'....the funky guitars remind me a bit of songs like 'Reality' or 'Idiot Country' by Electronic, the synth bass reminds me of 'Round and Round', and the backing chorus reminds me of 'Confusion'. Also, as for 'Sugarcane', the pop-ness reminds me of songs from PSB's 2009 album 'Yes'.

Shake It Up reminds me of an electronic Rock the Shack unfortunately...

haha!

After listening to the album couple of times.

Hellbent sounds better on the TOTAL version than on Lost Sirens, you can tell they they edited that song and beefed it up, I wished that they did that to the rest of the songs.

Recoil is a good song but the instrumental at the ends goes on forever, they should have taken a minute off that song.

same thing with Shake it up, in the end of the chours goes on forever, they should have taken a minute off that song also, because in the end it sounds very repetitive.

If NO were still together they would have made these songs much better by reediting them and going back to the studio to finish them but I guess that is not the case.

I'll Stay with You 4/5 Sugarcane 4/5 Recoil 3/5 Californian Grass 3/5 Hellbent 4/5 Shake It Up 2.5/5 I've Got A Feeling 3/5

so I would give this album 3.5/5

Havent listened to them yet.

Anyone know the Cat Numbers for both vinyl & cd editions?

Need the info for the discog.

steve

Really surprised nobody has commented that Shake it up has a near-identical Hooky bit (near the start) to the bit at the end of Guilt is a useless emotion. Cut-and-paste job perhaps?

After a few listens, I must say I really like this release. I prefer the forced unpolished mix, which seems a throwback to their 80ies pre True Faith-days and give the songs more liveliness than on WFTSC. Although I wished they would have exchanged that awful preset MIDI-keyboard on "Hellbent" and "Sugarcane" with a far better sounding like on "Who's Joe" and "Dracula's Castle".

I also prefer the really good songs here (1,2,4) to the really good ones on WFTSC (1,3, a few more like Guilt and Turn were spoilt by questionable production). It's also applaudable that they still were able to cover new ground on tracks like "Sugarcane" and "Hellbent" and not tried to rewrite their back catalogue which most bands at that stage of their career do.

CTB wrote: Really surprised nobody has commented that Shake it up has a near-identical Hooky bit (near the start) to the bit at the end of Guilt is a useless emotion. Cut-and-paste job perhaps?

I wouldn't be quick to claim it's cut and paste, but it's not surprising some elements would sound similar....

Cranelane wrote:

Nick King wrote:

NotAMod wrote: EDIT: Bet those YouTube videos are gone in the next few days and the guy's account is toast.

Yeah, you have to wonder how many braincells were misplaced when he uploaded them?

I think it's a she actually..from Mexico..

They have all now been removed apart from Hellbent.

Listened again to whole album on the way home today and got on better with it, even took to I've Got A Feeling- enjoyed the choruses, quite care free and optimistic. Recoil sounded alright despite sounding to my ears today like easy listening /wine bar muzak somehow

neworderweb.net wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

Nick King wrote:

NotAMod wrote: EDIT: Bet those YouTube videos are gone in the next few days and the guy's account is toast.

Yeah, you have to wonder how many braincells were misplaced when he uploaded them?

I think it's a she actually..from Mexico..

They have all now been removed apart from Hellbent.

Why, they were shitty quality anyway. One can't do much with them. The album has shown up on torrents now anyway. I liked what I heard on YouTube and I will buy the record.

First Review of Lost Sirens online and many more to come.

http://nbhap.com/20876/order-lost-sirens/

The story of Lost Sirens – the first NEW ORDER release with entire new material in eight years – is an intense one. It’s the story of a broken bound within the group, of reproaches, bitterness and rebirth during the time since these songs originally were recorded. Each one of these songs was produced during the sessions for Waiting For The Sirens’ Call, the final studioalbum by the band in 2005. In the aftermaths of its release bassist Peter Hook left the band in an act of irregular frustration, a public feud between the members appeared and NEW ORDER vanished in 2007 – with a huge gap especially between Hook and frontman Bernard Sumner. Three decades after they founded as influential post-punk heroes JOY DIVISION it really looked like the inglorious end of a once great institution in popular music.

In the meantime Sumner founded BAD LIEUTENANT – a new group with the remaining band members – while Hook was busy ranting about the past in public while still living from it with a lot of reissues and tribute shows where he performed the music by JOY DIVISION and NEW ORDER with other artists. Kind of ironic that it was him who prevented Lost Sirens from being published in the past. But it looks like every side has calmed down a bot by now and is ready to release this left-overs to the world on January the 14th.

Although every listener got certain expectations on the first new material by the band in ages one thing has to be made clear from the very beginning – these eight songs are all rejections from the recording sessions. Material that didn’t fit on the album, maybe because it sounded different but also because it was to poor in terms of quality. It basicly works as a reminder of the former greatness and quality of NEW ORDER, not as a solid album. Within the first seconds into opener I’ll Stay With You it feels like their departure never happened. Everything is at the right place – Stephen Morris’ precise drumplay, the soft wave guitars, Hook’s unique bass playing and the still not perfect but comforting voice of Sumner. The special new wave power, the combination of rock, pop and electronics this group once defined in the 1980s. It’s probably the best song on this EP.

The other tracks are nice as well, may it be Sugarcrane and Shake It Up with their simple dance beats or the more melodic ones like the really wonderful Californian Grass or the powerful Hellbent – which has already been released two years ago on a Best-of-album by the group. Of course, with the exception of maybe two tracks most of songs wouldn’t have fit on Waiting For The Sirens’ Call, some are just too poor for NEW ORDER‘s former quality level. Lost Sirens feels like a warm welcome of a good old friend you haven’t seen in a while but to which you connect instantly once he enters the door. And maybe that’s the best this release can do. And who knows – maybe this is not the end at all. NEW ORDER reunited for a world wide tour in 2012 and Sumner already hinted that they are actually interested in recording new material. Well, all without Hook, of course. Who ever thought it could get as excited as this again for these guys.

Linus Solanki wrote: First Review of Lost Sirens online and many more to come.

http://nbhap.com/20876/order-lost-sirens/

The story of Lost Sirens – the first NEW ORDER release with entire new material in eight years – is an intense one. It’s the story of a broken bound within the group, of reproaches, bitterness and rebirth during the time since these songs originally were recorded. Each one of these songs was produced during the sessions for Waiting For The Sirens’ Call, the final studioalbum by the band in 2005. In the aftermaths of its release bassist Peter Hook left the band in an act of irregular frustration, a public feud between the members appeared and NEW ORDER vanished in 2007 – with a huge gap especially between Hook and frontman Bernard Sumner. Three decades after they founded as influential post-punk heroes JOY DIVISION it really looked like the inglorious end of a once great institution in popular music.

In the meantime Sumner founded BAD LIEUTENANT – a new group with the remaining band members – while Hook was busy ranting about the past in public while still living from it with a lot of reissues and tribute shows where he performed the music by JOY DIVISION and NEW ORDER with other artists. Kind of ironic that it was him who prevented Lost Sirens from being published in the past. But it looks like every side has calmed down a bot by now and is ready to release this left-overs to the world on January the 14th.

Although every listener got certain expectations on the first new material by the band in ages one thing has to be made clear from the very beginning – these eight songs are all rejections from the recording sessions. Material that didn’t fit on the album, maybe because it sounded different but also because it was to poor in terms of quality. It basicly works as a reminder of the former greatness and quality of NEW ORDER, not as a solid album. Within the first seconds into opener I’ll Stay With You it feels like their departure never happened. Everything is at the right place – Stephen Morris’ precise drumplay, the soft wave guitars, Hook’s unique bass playing and the still not perfect but comforting voice of Sumner. The special new wave power, the combination of rock, pop and electronics this group once defined in the 1980s. It’s probably the best song on this EP.

The other tracks are nice as well, may it be Sugarcrane and Shake It Up with their simple dance beats or the more melodic ones like the really wonderful Californian Grass or the powerful Hellbent – which has already been released two years ago on a Best-of-album by the group. Of course, with the exception of maybe two tracks most of songs wouldn’t have fit on Waiting For The Sirens’ Call, some are just too poor for NEW ORDER‘s former quality level. Lost Sirens feels like a warm welcome of a good old friend you haven’t seen in a while but to which you connect instantly once he enters the door. And maybe that’s the best this release can do. And who knows – maybe this is not the end at all. NEW ORDER reunited for a world wide tour in 2012 and Sumner already hinted that they are actually interested in recording new material. Well, all without Hook, of course. Who ever thought it could get as excited as this again for these guys.

I don't understand why people keep calling these songs rejects that didn't make it on Waiting for the Sirens Call. They were intended to be on the NEXT album, before the band broke up. This has even been confirmed in an interview. It is really annoying when people say this.

Great to hear the preview on you tube- most fans (me included) have preordered and want to hear it in high quality anyway, so nothing has really been lost by posting them online- I will be really surprised if it charts above top 30 to be honest, as this album won't attract the casual fan / listener.

Have to have a few more listens, but first impressions are that there are a couple of excellent tracks and a couple of average ones; a bit like Waiting for the Siren's Call. I can hear lots of echos of older songs in these tracks, but nothing wrong with that really.

Sounds solid. Glad the waiting is over. :)

You can listen to the album in full here.

leather-girl wrote: About 'Shake it Up'....the funky guitars remind me a bit of songs like 'Reality' or 'Idiot Country' by Electronic, the synth bass reminds me of 'Round and Round', and the backing chorus reminds me of 'Confusion'. Also, as for 'Sugarcane', the pop-ness reminds me of songs from PSB's 2009 album 'Yes'.

Agreed with all the above. Every fibre of my being tells me I SHOULD hate a track like 'Shake it Up'- from the terrible title onwards - but the touches of Electronic, Confusion and even Shellshock make it work for me. I can't hear much Hooky on Sugarcane, the synth bass you mention that I do hear sounds way too slick. Can hear lots of Here to Stay on I'll Stay With You, but what a great opener.

In fact, I'm totally shocked how much I am enjoying this album. There's nothing that's utterly essential but there's also nothing that makes me cringe, and that I can't say about WFTSC, their worst album by a long stretch IMO.

As a teacher, I'd send back anyone who dared to present cack high/sky/fly poetry like this back to their desks in shame to try harder, and yeah, perhaps some of the tracks aren't quite as fully formed as they would be for a 'proper' album. But overall this has greatly surpassed my expectations. Barney's singing is at the top of his game and it's of course great to have that bass sound 'back'.

Wow, who'd have thunk it? Can't wait to get the vinyl copy.

Linus Solanki wrote: You can listen to the album in full here.

Hey Linus, Why don't you wake up and stop what you're doing right now..

M1 wrote:

In fact, I'm totally shocked how much I am enjoying this album. There's nothing that's utterly essential but there's also nothing that makes me cringe, and that I can't say about WFTSC, their worst album by a long stretch IMO. .

I'm totally shocked by the number of positive comments on here. I did my fair share of moaning about wanting to hear these tracks on the old forum. So on the plus side: Hurrah, here they are! On the not-so-plus side, I don't think there's anything on here as good as WFTSC, Krafty or Turn. I was hoping for something that would get me excited, but so far they all feel about as exciting as Hellbent did when it first appeared. I do have a soft spot for the Stuart Price mix of I Told You So, though now we have it on CD it appears to be slightly truncated which is a shame (and with more bluesy guitar in the latter stages too i think - so technically I guess it is a different mix).

Debaser wrote:

M1 wrote:

In fact, I'm totally shocked how much I am enjoying this album. There's nothing that's utterly essential but there's also nothing that makes me cringe, and that I can't say about WFTSC, their worst album by a long stretch IMO. .

I'm totally shocked by the number of positive comments on here. I did my fair share of moaning about wanting to hear these tracks on the old forum. So on the plus side: Hurrah, here they are! On the not-so-plus side, I don't think there's anything on here as good as WFTSC, Krafty or Turn. I was hoping for something that would get me excited, but so far they all feel about as exciting as Hellbent did when it first appeared. I do have a soft spot for the Stuart Price mix of I Told You So, though now we have it on CD it appears to be slightly truncated which is a shame (and with more bluesy guitar in the latter stages too i think - so technically I guess it is a different mix).

I didn't like every song I've previewed, but it's better than I thought. I would be shocked if most responses (among the fans) were extremely negative. Maybe you think these songs aren't as good as the songs you mentioned, but quite a few of these songs are much better than certain other New Order songs, such as 'Jetstream', 'Working Overtime', 'Turn My Way' or 'Rock the Shack'. (I think those four songs are some of the worst New Order songs ever.) I would say 'Sugarcane' is almost equal quality to 'Krafty', and 'Shake it Up', is much better than Jetstream, IMO. Ironically, Hellbent, is one of my least faves.

I don't get the Turn my way hate? Must be a regional thing. I think most North Americans like the song as everywhere else hates it. As for Lost Sirens, I'll stay with you is a instant NO classic. Some people may not like the lyrics to Sugarcane, but I's a great song. And I've got a feeling is the biggest surprise for me on how much I love it. The rest could be up to debate.

Jim wrote: I don't get the Turn my way hate? Must be a regional thing. I think most North Americans like the song as everywhere else hates it. As for Lost Sirens, I'll stay with you is a instant NO classic. Some people may not like the lyrics to Sugarcane, but I's a great song. And I've got a feeling is the biggest surprise for me on how much I love it. The rest could be up to debate.

Love Turn My Way - and I'm only a temporary North American promise ;-)

But those other 3 are howlers for sure

leather-girl wrote:

but quite a few of these songs are much better than certain other New Order songs, such as 'Jetstream', 'Working Overtime', 'Turn My Way' or 'Rock the Shack'. (I think those four songs are some of the worst New Order songs ever.

'Turn My Way' is one of New Order greatest tunes, easily the best song on Get Ready.
Can't believe you put it with the others

gerboy wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

but quite a few of these songs are much better than certain other New Order songs, such as 'Jetstream', 'Working Overtime', 'Turn My Way' or 'Rock the Shack'. (I think those four songs are some of the worst New Order songs ever.

'Turn My Way' is one of New Order greatest tunes, easily the best song on Get Ready.
Can't believe you put it with the others

I think Billy Corgan ruined that song....some other songs on 'Get Ready', such as 'Crystal', 'Someone Like You' etc are much better than 'Turn My Way' IMO. I'm not saying the songs on Lost Sirens are masterpieces; but they are much more listenable and likeable than some other NO songs.

Jim wrote: I don't get the Turn my way hate? Must be a regional thing. I think most North Americans like the song as everywhere else hates it. As for Lost Sirens, I'll stay with you is a instant NO classic. Some people may not like the lyrics to Sugarcane, but I's a great song. And I've got a feeling is the biggest surprise for me on how much I love it. The rest could be up to debate.

I don't like Billy Corgan or the Smashing Pumpkins, and even without him, I still think the song itself is only a so-so song. So I think it was a so-so song that was turned into a piece of rubbish with Billy Corgan on it. But regarding Lost Sirens, I do agree that 'I've got a feeling' is surprisingly decent.

Jim wrote: I don't get the Turn my way hate? Must be a regional thing. I think most North Americans like the song as everywhere else hates it.

Turn My Way is favourite of mine from the post 2000 period also, I don't have a problem with Billy Corgans vocals on it but there is a version out there somewhere which doesn't feature his contribution, it was part of the Get Ready demos that popped up on the old forum a while back..

I think the Corgan collaboration was more successful than the one with the Scissor Sister person..

Cranelane wrote:

Jim wrote: I don't get the Turn my way hate? Must be a regional thing. I think most North Americans like the song as everywhere else hates it.

Turn My Way is favourite of mine from the post 2000 period also, I don't have a problem with Billy Corgans vocals on it but there is a version out there somewhere which doesn't feature his contribution, it was part of the Get Ready demos that popped up on the old forum a while back..

I think the Corgan collaboration was more successful than the one with the Scissor Sister person..

J E T with the hamster dance on Jonathan Ross is the pinnacle of the bands career

Hey, wake up !

Just listen to this collection of... rubb... :) Very disappointing isn't it ?

These would have been lost for good.

Very poor production, artistically empty, not finished work. It's not a record, it's Just a collection of poor demos, not the level of these famous boys.

Finally, the bad lieutenant's record was more interesting and sounds a good one compare to that... thing ???

Just to release that to get some more money from the good fans is definitively the wrongest way to stay. Shame on the management, the label and the band.

NotAMod wrote:

Cranelane wrote: I think the Corgan collaboration was more successful than the one with the Scissor Sister person..

I don't think Turn My Way was a "collaboration" in the truest sense of the word though. The track was clearly fully formed and recorded well before Corgan appeared as the "Shipwreck" mix shows. Add to that there's no Corgan co-write credit for the song on the Get Ready sleeve. Ana Matronic at least has a co-write credit on Jetstream.

Corgan's vocals have always been divisive and personally I'm in the "not my cup of tea" group. The bit where him and Bernard "duet" on the "drank in every bar in town" bit make my toes curl every time. Otherwise, it's musically and creatively not a bad song; I warmed to it a whole lot more after hearing the "Shipwreck" mix sans Corgan. Bernard's lone vocal is much nicer.

All subjective though innit.

Agree that it's subjective.

At sunset I went to the beach to relax with a bottle of wine and Lost Sirens in my headphones. I had a great time. Melancholy filled up the beach as the evening sun touched the horizon. Failed surfers and thievish accountants reached to their cocktail glasses but the despair was unquenchable. Lost Sirens is a perfect dusk record. The album really grows on me.