The Lost Sirens

Subcultured wrote: Maybe they don't want to publicise it too much as it could come across as a cash-in.Given the ill feeling towards "The one who left" from fans it could be a wise move, particularly because1. It isn't an album2. The songs never made it past demo stageIf what New Order say is correct though they are meeting around about now.. to discuss and maybe start writing a proper new album.In the meantime I think we should take Lost Sirens for what it is. A collection of demos carried over from the 2004 sessions which never made it onto WFTSC.

Being a demo is not exactly a bad thing, since the Let's Go demo sounds better than the final mix and most stuff from Republic onwards.

Subcultured wrote: Maybe they don't want to publicise it too much as it could come across as a cash-in.Given the ill feeling towards "The one who left" from fans it could be a wise move, particularly because1. It isn't an album2. The songs never made it past demo stageIf what New Order say is correct though they are meeting around about now.. to discuss and maybe start writing a proper new album.In the meantime I think we should take Lost Sirens for what it is. A collection of demos carried over from the 2004 sessions which never made it onto WFTSC.

They're not demos, they're either finished or nearly finished tracks from the sessions.

Just clearing that up.

In retrospect, I really like Hooky's idea of including the unedited instrumentals from the "Control" soundtrack along with these "Lost Sirens." Too late to voice my opinion I realize, but they would have made for a complete album anyway.

Danimal wrote: In retrospect, I really like Hooky's idea of including the unedited instrumentals from the "Control" soundtrack along with these "Lost Sirens." Too late to voice my opinion I realize, but they would have made for a complete album anyway.

Saving them for companion album, Lost Control.

I don't see how anyone could listen to those previews and think they're demos. Wouldn't demos sound more unfinished and stripped down than what we've heard? And the band have made it clear that they're not demos.

leather-girl wrote: I don't see how anyone could listen to those previews and think they're demos. Wouldn't demos sound more unfinished and stripped down than what we've heard? And the band have made it clear that they're not demos.

I agree with you Leather Girl, they sound well produced and finished tracks.

maybe they were unfinished tracks.

they needed some final mastering and cleanup and editing. and they might have started off as demos.

anyways, i pre-ordered the new order release... from a gift card i got for amazon.

first time for everything, i usually wait until its out. or get a promo.

but i have a feeling it might be hard to get one for this.

later -1

Another fake torrent

Volturno wrote: Another fake torrent

I don't know what you're talking about.There was a legitimate preview of the tracks in another thread here on NOOL.http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=768

Now Amazon.co.uk is offering the MP3 download as well.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Sirens/dp/B00ATPF9CU

NotAMod wrote:

Subcultured wrote: Maybe they don't want to publicise it too much as it could come across as a cash-in.

It certainly does say something when the band won't promote an album of new material yet will go as far as appearing on BBC Breakfast to promote yet another compilation (Total) of available stuff we all already have fifteen fucking times over.

I don't think they wouldn't promote Lost Sirens because they were worried it would be a "cash-in" rather because they simply couldn't be arsed.

The level of legal and inter-band (Hook-era) politics hindering it all probably contributed to the overall apathy "We're a bunch of fat old men arguing," indeed.

Can't say I entirely blame them; it's been a farce from start to bloody finish and I suspect messrs Sumner, Hook and Morris know that.

Still, I'm looking forward to it and will approach the material with an open mind.

They're still my favourite band and that counts for a lot despite all the bullshit.

Contrary to my last post,there will be NO promotional cdr's or digital downloads for selected press and/or fansites, had official confirmation of this yesterday.

neworderweb.net wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Subcultured wrote: Maybe they don't want to publicise it too much as it could come across as a cash-in.

It certainly does say something when the band won't promote an album of new material yet will go as far as appearing on BBC Breakfast to promote yet another compilation (Total) of available stuff we all already have fifteen fucking times over.

I don't think they wouldn't promote Lost Sirens because they were worried it would be a "cash-in" rather because they simply couldn't be arsed.

The level of legal and inter-band (Hook-era) politics hindering it all probably contributed to the overall apathy "We're a bunch of fat old men arguing," indeed.

Can't say I entirely blame them; it's been a farce from start to bloody finish and I suspect messrs Sumner, Hook and Morris know that.

Still, I'm looking forward to it and will approach the material with an open mind.

They're still my favourite band and that counts for a lot despite all the bullshit.

Contrary to my last post,there will be NO promotional cdr's or digital downloads for selected press and/or fansites, had official confirmation of this yesterday.

I guess that means there will be no interviews or reviews in magazines also, I guess since they are not together anymore they probably want to avoid the same old questions and stay away from saying stuff about each other. Still I think people will buy this album and it will sell well out there.

Linus Solanki wrote:

I guess that means there will be no interviews or reviews in magazines also, I guess since they are not together anymore they probably want to avoid the same old questions and stay away from saying stuff about each other. Still I think people will buy this album and it will sell well out there.

Of course there will be reviews and they may not be kind, but this release will cause a lot of awkwardness I feel because of the strained relations between Hooky and the rest of the band, for example, will there be a launch party for the album, will all of the band attend? Will they pose for pictures together? Is it even safe to put Hooky and Bernard in a room together?

leather-girl wrote:

Volturno wrote: Another fake torrent

I don't know what you're talking about.There was a legitimate preview of the tracks in another thread here on NOOL.http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=768

Records usually leak via torrent downloads, and there have been 3 fake releases so far. All came with a password-protected zip folder with a file that leads to a survey website, which asks that you buy a mobile game in order to download a file with the password 😂

Volturno wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Volturno wrote: Another fake torrent

I don't know what you're talking about.There was a legitimate preview of the tracks in another thread here on NOOL.http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=768

Records usually leak via torrent downloads, and there have been 3 fake releases so far. All came with a password-protected zip folder with a file that leads to a survey website, which asks that you buy a mobile game in order to download a file with the password 😂

Ha! I got caught out by one of those fakes about 2 months ago, I downloaded the zipped file which contained 102mb which would be just about right for 8 songs? but when I tried to open it I knew I had been sold a pup...Serves me right for trying to steal a march and get an exclusive preview 😈

I would have purchased it anyway..I swear..

Linus Solanki wrote: Now Amazon.co.uk is offering the MP3 download as well.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lost-Sirens/dp/B00ATPF9CU

Interesting; that may be the quickest way to hear these songs in full, with a release date of 11th January according to your link Linus. The physical release isn't expected until several days after that as far I can tell.

Cranelane wrote: Ha! I got caught out by one of those fakes about 2 months ago, I downloaded the zipped file which contained 102mb which would be just about right for 8 songs? but when I tried to open it I knew I had been sold a pup...Serves me right for trying to steal a march and get an exclusive preview 😈

What an utter fucking disgrace! I had no such problems getting hold of 'Hellbent'...

Linus Solanki wrote:

No Barcode wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: The album is almost 3 weeks away and no mention of it on NEWORDERNOW.NET and it is supposed to be their official wedsite, Very bad marketing in my opinion, they should have it on that website with some cool pictures and samples so other fans can check it out.

That's a shame. But Linus, why don't you apply to be their moderator? You're ahead of everyone with the latest news anyway and I think you'd get a kick out of it. Seriously.

I would not mind it and would love to do it but I doubt that they would let me do it anyway, thanks for mentioning it.

Seriously, you should send them a resume. They need a dedicated admin. The site was okay with updating during the tour but it has been really neglected since November (save for the post about the Festival Awards a couple of weeks ago). I think it took the admin there a month to note that, oh yeah, the US tour was now finished. I get that NO has been on a well-deserved break, but their people need to update it more frequently-- not necessarily every day, but a couple of times a week to keep the traffic up. I've quit checking it because there's never anything new there. The lack of info about Lost Sirens is head-scratching.

Well... Not to be a smart arse but it Is NEWORDERNOW. Perhaps they cannot promote it on that site. Legal crap.

This store claims to have it in stock: http://www.diversevinyl.com/news.php?id=f494c03a14ba2ca4900e80504ee631c6

Mike C. wrote: Well... Not to be a smart arse but it Is NEWORDERNOW. Perhaps they cannot promote it on that site. Legal crap.

I don't really buy that excuse...it doesn't seem as likely for some reason.

Mike C. wrote: Well... Not to be a smart arse but it Is NEWORDERNOW. Perhaps they cannot promote it on that site. Legal crap.

It's possible, although if Hooky's getting paid, I doubt he'd care. More publicity=more units sold=bigger payout for Hooky, and since he doesn't pay for NON, it's free publicity for him. (Which actually may be why the site is staying quiet on this.)

Granted, I have zero clue what the final deal was that allowed this release to happen, so who knows.

Well, maybe now that NON stuck it to Hooky by getting it released, they want to stick to him by making sure he gets as small a payoff as possible.

http://www.piccadillyrecords.com/products/NewOrder-LostSirens-Rhino-87464.html

Not surprised about the lack of promotion. It's an 8 year old album of outtakes really- Something only "hardcore" fans care about.

Although I am sure we will get a brace of mid Jan interviews from Peter working the "last real New Order album" angle.

Still- Really looking forward to hearing it and very glad it's nearly out.

Yeah I think if the roster hadn't changed this would be promoted a bit more. I imagine it could be confusing for casual fans who saw the band live last year, seeing what they think is a new New Order album from the people they saw live.

NotAMod wrote:

Sage_ wrote: I think if the roster hadn't changed this would be promoted a bit more.

If the roster hadn't changed it would have been completed as a proper album and probably released in 2007.

After they had finished their 2006 touring commitments.

Not to be.

If only. Just imagine, by now, we may have even been looking forward to their 10th studio album being released in 2013.

Just got an email saying my vinyl/cd edition has been dispatched, hopefully i'll have it by tomorrow or Friday.

gerboy wrote: Just got an email saying my vinyl/cd edition has been dispatched, hopefully i'll have it by tomorrow or Friday.

Why so fast it is not even the 14th yet.