Peter Hook on Lost Sirens.

2013 will see lost tracks from New Order’s 2005 album Waiting for the Sirens’ Call complied into a mini-album Lost Sirens. Hook reminisces fondly of the quality of the recordings: “The idea was that we were going to do another album really quickly and one of my dissatisfactions with the rest of the band when we were working together was the fact that it didn’t happen.

“The tracks were ignored for six years. I kept asking the question ‘why isn’t lost sirens out?’ It’s just a ridiculous thing that it hasn’t come out.

“I mean Lost Sirens does mark the end to my song writing with them, and that is a weird thing. I had gone to rehab just as the tracks were finished off. I was recovering from alcoholism and I wasn’t able to put in as much input as I wanted to.

“So I was in rehab and they didn’t wait. The whole thing was tinged and had a weird feel to it. I felt Ok about the song choices at the time and thought; yeah those tracks should have been left off.

“I only listened to it properly a few months ago when I had the time and I though fucking hell! These tracks are really good.

“It’s really interesting from a recording point of view because these tracks had a lot of money spent on them and were treated in exactly the same way as the other album tracks. A lot of bands can’t afford to put the same production values on tracks and a lot of music nowadays sounds under-produced because of this. I think you can tell that a lot of tracks are done on a computer and lack clarity.

“I suppose it’s all thanks to everyone that illegally downloads music. They have fucked the sound. It all sounds shit, and it’s their entire fault! So thanks for that.”

More to read here

http://www.tenementtv.com/editorial/peter-hook-interview/

Linus Solanki wrote: 2013 will see lost tracks from New Order’s 2005 album Waiting for the Sirens’ Call complied into a mini-album Lost Sirens. Hook reminisces fondly of the quality of the recordings: “The idea was that we were going to do another album really quickly and one of my dissatisfactions with the rest of the band when we were working together was the fact that it didn’t happen.

“The tracks were ignored for six years. I kept asking the question ‘why isn’t lost sirens out?’ It’s just a ridiculous thing that it hasn’t come out.

“I mean Lost Sirens does mark the end to my song writing with them, and that is a weird thing. I had gone to rehab just as the tracks were finished off. I was recovering from alcoholism and I wasn’t able to put in as much input as I wanted to.

“So I was in rehab and they didn’t wait. The whole thing was tinged and had a weird feel to it. I felt Ok about the song choices at the time and thought; yeah those tracks should have been left off.

“I only listened to it properly a few months ago when I had the time and I though fucking hell! These tracks are really good.

“It’s really interesting from a recording point of view because these tracks had a lot of money spent on them and were treated in exactly the same way as the other album tracks. A lot of bands can’t afford to put the same production values on tracks and a lot of music nowadays sounds under-produced because of this. I think you can tell that a lot of tracks are done on a computer and lack clarity.

“I suppose it’s all thanks to everyone that illegally downloads music. They have fucked the sound. It all sounds shit, and it’s their entire fault! So thanks for that.”

More to read here

http://www.tenementtv.com/editorial/peter-hook-interview/

Done on a computer? I thought New Order used computers like Macs for example, in the 80s and 90s for programming etc? Lots of music now lacks clarity? Under-produced? What's he on about? Whilst illegal downloading is problematic to some extent, the people who do such things aren't to blame for music sounding shit. The lack of logic is bizarre.

He didn't SHED much LIGHT on it did he?

Well, I do not understand most of things that my bass hero says nowadays.

Peter on David Bowie's return

Peter Hook of Joy Division and New Order was on the show today to talk about his new release of unheard New Order material.

Tom asked him how he felt about the news of Bowie's return and he appears to be over the moon.Peter says 'he's an absolute hero to me to be honest with you and I'm absolutely delighted that he's making music again. I think that's the funny thing with us musicians you see, no matter how old we get we don't know what to do with ourselves. You know, you get a bit fed up putting shelves up don't you!' Listen to his reaction here

http://www.newstalk.ie/reader/47.305.359/2166/blog\_list/---New-Order-Legend-Peter-Hook-on-David-Bowie's-Return

there's no need for computer made music to sound any better or worse than analogue music, the comment is stupid, the problem lies in record company greed and illeagle downloading, the record companies rush everything and use cheap studios so they can make as much profit as possible. If time and care is taken a recordong will sound good no matter how it's made.

I have to disagree with him about the album too, I think it sucks, shame really, but that's the first New Order album I will not be buying. Let's hope the next album is better, despite the lack of Hooky, I think they may still pull it off, just so long as they don't rush Bernard with the lyrics as was very evident in this case.

He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

I have a hard time believing it so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

leather-girl wrote:

Done on a computer? I thought New Order used computers like Macs for example, in the 80s and 90s for programming etc? Lots of music now lacks clarity? Under-produced? What's he on about?

I believe he means how music, more often than not these days, are done "in the box" - meaning, inside the computer only with no use of 'proper mixing' or outboard gear.

Sure, New Order uses computers, software synths (soft synths) and keyboards as well as live drums, guitar and bass- but what the article (or possibly Hooky) didn't clarify was his general proclamation.

leather-girl wrote:

I have a hard time believing it so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

I have a hard time believing what anyone says beyond Steve and/or Gillian

Edward wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

I have a hard time believing it so I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

I have a hard time believing what anyone says beyond Steve and/or Gillian

Well, I can understand if they suggested a breakup, or a hiatus, but I have a hard time believing they suggested to form New Order without Bernard (and Hooky disapproving).... It just doesn't seem likely. Hooky reminds me of some old man at a bar who always tells crazy stories from the past, that may not be true, or only partially true.

Cranelane wrote:

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

But they didn't go all 'Arcadia' and split off into a trio, nor did he play on any Other Two tracks. Hard one to swallow from this fans POV.

Mike C. wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

But they didn't go all 'Arcadia' and split off into a trio, nor did he play on any Other Two tracks. Hard one to swallow from this fans POV.

Agreed. He just likes to talk about crazy stories. It doesn't sound really credible. Discussions about a potential breakup or hiatus would sound more credible---the fact that serious fans like us have never heard of this, also gives me the impression he's making this up, or he truly doesn't remember.

leather-girl wrote:

Mike C. wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

But they didn't go all 'Arcadia' and split off into a trio, nor did he play on any Other Two tracks. Hard one to swallow from this fans POV.

Agreed. He just likes to talk about crazy stories. It doesn't sound really credible. Discussions about a potential breakup or hiatus would sound more credible---the fact that serious fans like us have never heard of this, also gives me the impression he's making this up, or he truly doesn't remember.

Making it up? What has Hooky ever done that even resembled spreading a lie like that?

I really don't get such negativity towards him in this forum. "Barney's camp" must be strong here.

Volturno wrote:

leather-girl wrote:

Mike C. wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

But they didn't go all 'Arcadia' and split off into a trio, nor did he play on any Other Two tracks. Hard one to swallow from this fans POV.

Agreed. He just likes to talk about crazy stories. It doesn't sound really credible. Discussions about a potential breakup or hiatus would sound more credible---the fact that serious fans like us have never heard of this, also gives me the impression he's making this up, or he truly doesn't remember.

Making it up? What has Hooky ever done that even resembled spreading a lie like that?

I really don't get such negativity towards him in this forum. "Barney's camp" must be strong here.

I don't have anything against Hooky personally; it's just that it doesn't sound credible compared to them suggesting a breakup, or a hiatus. And if such a radical idea as reforming NO without Bernard really did occur to them, why haven't we heard of it in other interviews over these years? Why is it only Hooky that's claiming this, and he's saying this in the year of 2013?????? If that was truly an idea that was considered, why haven't Steve and/or Gillian talked about it in interviews? I don't believe everything Bernard says, either, by the way. If he's not making it up, the only other possibility I can think of, is Hooky exaggerating a joke someone could have said. PS- You truly believe people are negative about him on NOOL??????

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

I remember reading that Ian McCulloch (not with the bunnymen during that time) was considered as a replacement because Bernard was "starved for motivation" or something to that effect. It was a credible story at the time because Barney was wrapped up with Electronic during that era.

I don't know whether or not they'd have called the group New Order but would Hooky admit that now?

Ian later ended up working with Johnny Marr on an ill-fated project that ended with the two claiming that the master tapes were stolen. Three tracks co-written with Marr were later recorded and released by Ian and Will. Two as Electrafixion and one as the Bunnymen's World Cup single.

Who cares how and where music is recorded?? If it's a well written song, with a good melody, catchy chorus, intriguing hooks, sincere lyrics, etc. (not necessarily all that at once), not much can destroy it for me. A lot of young bands record their material nowadays in small studios and the output is fine. I'm sorry, it's total bollocks.

I kept asking the question ‘why isn’t lost sirens out?’ It’s just a ridiculous thing that it hasn’t come out.

Didnt some twat block its release?

No Barcode wrote: Who cares how and where music is recorded?? If it's a well written song, with a good melody, catchy chorus, intriguing hooks, sincere lyrics, etc. (not necessarily all that at once), not much can destroy it for me. A lot of young bands record their material nowadays in small studios and the output is fine. I'm sorry, it's total bollocks.

Exactly.

As an electronic musician myself, if it isn't down to good ideas and talent at the end of the day no amount of technology is gonna save you.

Edward wrote:

No Barcode wrote: Who cares how and where music is recorded?? If it's a well written song, with a good melody, catchy chorus, intriguing hooks, sincere lyrics, etc. (not necessarily all that at once), not much can destroy it for me. A lot of young bands record their material nowadays in small studios and the output is fine. I'm sorry, it's total bollocks.

Exactly.

As an electronic musician myself, if it isn't down to good ideas and talent at the end of the day no amount of technology is gonna save you.

Agreed too. Besides, just because you spend a lot of money recording something doesn't mean it will be a masterpiece; for example, WFTSC. (I'm not saying it's a bad album, but surely they could've recorded the same quality songs cheaper...)

First of many?

Michael Monkhouse wrote: First of many?

LOL!

Linus Solanki wrote:

“I suppose it’s all thanks to everyone that illegally downloads music. They have fucked the sound. It all sounds shit, and it’s their entire fault! So thanks for that.”

Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

Jailbait Spider wrote: Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

And the winner of the most irrational anti-Hooky post of the day goes to ... . .

Are you seriously suggesting Hooky hasn't been playing live over the last couple of years? 😄

After Freebass it's probably advisable that he doesn't "rest his fat arse in a recording studio."

El Jarvo wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

And the winner of the most irrational anti-Hooky post of the day goes to ... . .

Are you seriously suggesting Hooky hasn't been playing live over the last couple of years? 😄

After Freebass it's probably advisable that he doesn't "rest his fat arse in a recording studio."

So Jailbait thinks Hooky doesn't play live just sits in a studio all the time! LOL!

I can't say I blame people for being anti-Hooky, he's said a lot of shit, he's acted like a child and (presumably) tried to prevent the lost sirens getting released, but at the end of the day I love the way he plays bass, and that's all that matters to me, I know not everyone agrees, but each to their own, no need to fall out about it.

El Jarvo wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

And the winner of the most irrational anti-Hooky post of the day goes to ... . .

Are you seriously suggesting Hooky hasn't been playing live over the last couple of years? 😄

After Freebass it's probably advisable that he doesn't "rest his fat arse in a recording studio."

More like FREEBASE

"...writing new music with the boys"

will be interesting to hear something original from The Light.

UpDownTurnAround wrote: "...writing new music with the boys"

will be interesting to hear something original from The Light.

they've been writing for a while, but they're very busy with touring, I can't wait to hear original music from them, they're a great band and deserve to be more than a covers band

I thought the interview on 6 Music was really good to be honest. Hooky came across well to me, really nice interview I thought. Holding off listening to tracks on Lost Sirens until CD drops from Amazon so first chance to hear one song i.e. Californian Grass. Not bad.

Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Spending a year of your life making an album IS "doing music". Albums dont just appear for free from thin air. If you expect people to pay their ticket to get a copy just like anything else that doesnt mean you're a sourpuss who's out of touch and greedy. Jesus...

NotAMod wrote:

El Jarvo wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

And the winner of the most irrational anti-Hooky post of the day goes to ... . .

Are you seriously suggesting Hooky hasn't been playing live over the last couple of years? 😄

Agreed, telling Hooky to get off his arse and tour then asserting that he should learn from his "so called hero" Bowie is very odd. Bowie has not toured consistently since 2004 (admittedly for health reasons) and is releasing new studio music with no mention as-yet of an upcoming tour. By Spidey's logic Hooky should both hole himself in a recording studio and tour more. Eh?

If you're going to criticise the man, at least have a decent point somewhere.

I'd go see Hook live, and still respect his contributions to music. It's just that he's been a real buzz-kill with the break up, NewOrderNow and Lost Sirens.

Mike C. wrote: I'd go see Hook live, and still respect his contributions to music. It's just that he's been a real buzz-kill with the break up, NewOrderNow and Lost Sirens.

Agreed and, to be fair, Ive yet to hear from anybody rational who didnt say the Light gigs are really good.

Coops wrote:

Mike C. wrote: I'd go see Hook live, and still respect his contributions to music. It's just that he's been a real buzz-kill with the break up, NewOrderNow and Lost Sirens.

Agreed and, to be fair, Ive yet to hear from anybody rational who didnt say the Light gigs are really good.

I can enjoy his music whilst disagreeing with him. As for The Light, I have no interest in it, that's all.

El Jarvo wrote:

Jailbait Spider wrote: Hooky's just pissed because no one buy records like the old times - well, things have changed, if one wants to earn a life doing music, he must actually DO IT, playing live, not only resting his fat arse in a recording studio.

Since Hooky loves Bowie so much, he should have learned something with his so called hero... Bowie is always ahead of his time with such things.

So, Hooky, wake up, turn and face the strange!!

And the winner of the most irrational anti-Hooky post of the day goes to ... . .

Are you seriously suggesting Hooky hasn't been playing live over the last couple of years? 😄

After Freebass it's probably advisable that he doesn't "rest his fat arse in a recording studio."

Thanks for the award, Jarvo!! I put a lot of effort on it and I'm very proud.

Peeps, I'm not saying Hooky does not play live whatsoever, I would be nuts defending that. Au contraire, I remember posting not long ago that Hooky was always the one who cared the most about fans when playing live.

What really pisses me off is that same mambo jumbo that Internet/P2P/Torrents have made today's music quality worst. It is just not true.

Internet killed an industry, not music. Music executives had to move their business somewhere else, 99% of the recorded music nowadays is for publicity of the artists only and if such artists want to make money they have to play live - and this seems very fair to me.

The link with Bowie seemed appropriate, since the guy understood the effects of Internet in the music industry 10 years ago. And our beloved Hooky is just not accepting this inevitable scenario very well.

But I'm giving my contribution - I've preordered his JD gossip book and paid to watch him live with his teen mates on 2011. What else does he want me to do? Buy the Freebass album? No, thanks. I wouldn't even download it for free, it's just not worth the HD space.

Jailbait Spider wrote: What else does he want me to do? Buy the Freebass album? No, thanks. I wouldn't even download it for free

the horror, the horror...

Don't get the Freebass criticism. Hated the EP but enjoyed the album, it certainly jizzes over Revenge and stands comparison to 2000's 'Monaco'. Mucous For Pleasure remains Hook's strongest Out-Of-Order LP, don't you think? I'd like to hear new Light material as they play so well, but I won't hold my breath. Hooky seems to love touring more than writing and has often expressed his diffidence to putting out new material in this free-for-all age.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Don't get the Freebass criticism. Hated the EP but enjoyed the album, it certainly jizzes over Revenge and stands comparison to 2000's 'Monaco'. Mucous For Pleasure remains Hook's strongest Out-Of-Order LP, don't you think?

I thought the opposite - LP was dire, the EP okay.

Well, I say the EP was okay, but I'm only really referring to the Burgess track. IMO, easily the best side project track to have appeared out of either camp since WFTSC.

Freebass would be as well forgotten about IMO

EP LP live all dire

Am I the only person on here who likes the Freebass album? Some great songs IMO, and I'm normally the first to moan! The best song on the EP was You Don't Know..., but after a pleasantly Ceremonious opening it just goes on without climaxing.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Am I the only person on here who likes the Freebass album?

Yes.

It was terrible, nothing memorable on it at all. I am upset for purchasing it and want a refund.

On the other hand, Revenge was at least fun and I still get a few of their tunes in my head from time to time.

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

Cannot wait for his New Order's book release! It will be a bestseller!

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

Cannot wait for his New Order's book release! It will be a bestseller!

I don't think a single book will be enough, Hooky should write two of them.

Volturno wrote:

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

Cannot wait for his New Order's book release! It will be a bestseller!

I don't think a single book will be enough, Hooky should write two of them.

Why not do a trilogy? Hook, Line and Stinker

Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Cranelane wrote:

Thanks But No Thanks wrote: He was on Radcliffe & Maconie show today.Again.

Good to hear him talking about New Order, some points of interest:

He mentions that Steve wrote a lot of the lyrics on Movement, I think I read before that he also wrote the words to Procession..

1hr 45 minutes in to the interview Hooky mentions that around 1990 He, Rob, Steve & Gillian discussed reforming New Order without Bernard but that Hooky vetoed the notion. I hadn't heard that one before. [:eek]

He also implies that Phil, Steve and himself had been working on other ideas around the time of Sirens which obviously never got beyond an early stage but he calls them the Lost Lost Sirens..

Cannot wait for his New Order's book release! It will be a bestseller!

That should keep him busy, if he's planning to write another book.

Temptation: A New Order Story

Guilty Partners: Second Order and Downfall

😎

tarbox23 wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Am I the only person on here who likes the Freebass album?

Yes.

It was terrible, nothing memorable on it at all. I am upset for purchasing it and want a refund.

On the other hand, Revenge was at least fun and I still get a few of their tunes in my head from time to time.

Intriguing as I still listen to Freebass' album and enjoy it while I never even considered OTP an LP, just an excuse for Hooky to indulge his ego, dabble in S&M imagery and enjoy life on the road... Definitely the worst thing to come out of this camp. Gun World Porn was worthwhile though by that stage it was nearly Monaco. In fact Under The Stars was originally a Revenge track (Born To Kill), just as Microbes / Pumpkin came out under Revenge but was also on Monaco's website. Always interesting to hear other fans' opinions!

There were rumours that Steve sung Movement, tosh of course but he did sing some of the original demos - but he's often expressed his diffidence to the idea of drummers singing, like when Phil Collins did 'In The Air Tonight' on TOTP and wasn't behind his drum set. OMG, Phil Collins in a New Order thread!

Michael Monkhouse wrote: There were rumours that Steve sung Movement, tosh of course but he did sing some of the original demos - but he's often expressed his diffidence to the idea of drummers singing, like when Phil Collins did 'In The Air Tonight' on TOTP and wasn't behind his drum set. OMG, Phil Collins in a New Order thread!

I admit it's probably difficult to do it live; YMO's Yukihiro Takahashi was playing the drums whilst singing, for example.

Well there's always Ringo Starr, he can't sing OR drum.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Well there's always Ringo Starr, he can't sing OR drum.

But he can write!

Linus Solanki wrote:

“I mean Lost Sirens does mark the end to my song writing with them, and that is a weird thing. I had gone to rehab just as the tracks were finished off. I was recovering from alcoholism and I wasn’t able to put in as much input as I wanted to.

“So I was in rehab and they didn’t wait. The whole thing was tinged and had a weird feel to it. I felt Ok about the song choices at the time and thought; yeah those tracks should have been left off.

“I only listened to it properly a few months ago when I had the time and I though fucking hell! These tracks are really good.

“It’s really interesting from a recording point of view because these tracks had a lot of money spent on them and were treated in exactly the same way as the other album tracks. A lot of bands can’t afford to put the same production values on tracks and a lot of music nowadays sounds under-produced because of this. I think you can tell that a lot of tracks are done on a computer and lack clarity.

“I suppose it’s all thanks to everyone that illegally downloads music. They have fucked the sound. It all sounds shit, and it’s their entire fault! So thanks for that.”

I wonder if the timing of Hooky's rehab pissed off Bernard and Steve? Maybe they saw the timing of the rehab to be selfish on Hooky's part... which ruined any chance of completing the second record. Or did it sour before then, which was why he went to rehab in the first place?

Where did he go for rehab? I hope not in England. He should have come to Serenity Homes in Buffalo Gap, a few miles down from Abilene, Texas. People around are very respectful. Ashley Judd was admitted and everyone was ok about it. It's a great location: 3 hours away from any major city. Just to hear a whiporwill or see the will-o'-the-wisps...

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Well there's always Ringo Starr, he can't sing OR drum.

Hang on, Turn on The Light, remember Ringo wrote Yellow Submarine - no LIGHT below the waves - wise man

Digi Mike Binoche wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Well there's always Ringo Starr, he can't sing OR drum.

Hang on, Turn on The Light, remember Ringo wrote Yellow Submarine - no LIGHT below the waves - wise man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LwyCHhbxOM

I liked the Freebass LP, especially Plan B & The God Machine.