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How we made: New Order's Gillian Gilbert and designer Peter Saville on Blue Monday

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/feb/11/how-we-made-blue-monday

'Bernard and Stephen worked out how to use a sampler by spending hours recording farts'

In 1983, before computers came along, it wasn't easy to do electronic basslines and rhythms. So [New Order vocalist] Bernard Sumner started building these gadgets called sequencers. Next, we thought it would be good to create a song that was completely electronic. Blue Monday's distinctive intro was written on an Oberheim DMX drum machine. We'd been going to clubs in New York and wanted to recreate the fantastic bass-drum sounds we'd heard. We tried to play something like Donna Summer's Our Love and came up with that instantly recognisable thud.

The synthesiser melody is slightly out of sync with the rhythm. This was an accident. It was my job to programme the entire song from beginning to end, which had to be done manually, by inputting every note. I had the sequence all written down on loads of A4 paper Sellotaped together the length of the recording studio, like a huge knitting pattern. But I accidentally left a note out, which skewed the melody. We'd bought ourselves an Emulator 1, an early sampler, and used it to add snatches of choir-like voices from Kraftwerk's album Radioactivity, as well as recordings of thunder. Bernard and Stephen [Morris, drummer] had worked out how to use it by spending hours recording farts.

Blue Monday was meant to be robotic, the idea being that we could walk on stage and do it without playing the instruments ourselves. We spent days trying to get a robot voice to sing "How does it feel?", but somebody wiped the track. Bernard ended up singing it. He says the lyric came about because he was fed up with journalists asking him how he felt. The lines about the beach and the harbour were the start of his many nautical references – he loves sailing. And Peter Hook's bassline was nicked from an Ennio Morricone film soundtrack.

Blue Monday is a dance track with a hint of melancholy. A seven and a half minute-long single was unheard of, so we put it out on 12-inch. We couldn't believe it when it became the biggest-selling 12-inch of all time. People have interpreted the title all sorts of ways. It actually came from a book Stephen was reading, Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions. One of its illustrations reads: "Goodbye Blue Monday." It's a reference to the invention of the washing machine, which improved housewives' lives

Peter Saville, sleeve designer I met New Order in their Manchester studio to show them a postcard of the Henri Fantin-Latour flower painting I was using for the cover of their forthcoming album Power, Corruption and Lies. While I was there, they played me Blue Monday, and I instinctively understood what they were trying to do. It sounded like something the equipment could play itself.

Peter Saville's Blue Monday cover I picked up an interesting object and asked: "Wow, what is this?" I'd never seen a floppy disk before. I thought it was great. I said: "Can I have it?" And Stephen said: "Not that one!" So I drove back to London listening to a tape of Blue Monday with another floppy disk lying on the passenger seat. By the time I got home, I knew the sleeve would replicate a floppy disk, with three holes cut in it through which you could see the metallic inner sleeve. The only information I had to impart were the words New Order, the song titles (including B-side The Beach) and the Factory Records catalogue number. I decided to do this with a column of coded colours, to provide some mysterious data, so I sat down with some pencils and used a different colour for each letter.

Tony Wilson [Factory boss] loved to say the sleeve was so expensive they lost 5p per copy. But it's unlikely; Factory never talked budgets. Nobody ever said to me: "This is a costly sleeve." No one sent me a copy, either; I had to go to a record shop. The record sold so quickly that the version I bought had a black sleeve but no holes. The printers hadn't been able to keep up with demand, so had banged out a cheaper version. I don't know how many thousands were sold that way, or whether Factory were charged the full price for something they didn't get, which would be very Factory. But I'm pleased it's a legendary cover for what turned out to be a classic track: the principal moment of conversion between progressive rock and dance. Similarly, colour codes have become widespread in graphic design.

When Power, Corruption and Lies came out, I put a colour wheel on the back explaining the code. A week later, two letters in NME pointed out a spelling mistake. Four years ago, I was in Switzerland giving a talk and this nice accountant in a suit came up and said: "Do you remember there were letters in NME about Power, Corruption and Lies? I wrote one of those letters."

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Nice photo, I hadn't seen that one before, Peter and Gillian sitting together like that, reminds you of how horribly wrong it has all gone..

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Some interesting stuff in there . That photo was in an NME feature around 1988

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How does it feel???

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Need more interviewers to ask Gillian. She actually has good answers!

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Pyrtwist wrote: How does it feel???

I'd never heard this track before.

Skip to 1:19. It's an eye-opener.

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Andy wrote:

Pyrtwist wrote: How does it feel???

I'd never heard this track before.

Skip to 1:19. It's an eye-opener.

So obviously this is the inspiration behind "Blue Monday" AND "Temptation". Question is, had they ever an original idea? [:d]

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Ooh fuck, Im just waiting for the Hooky interview to land now where he refutes all that and insists if wasnt for him etc etc.

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I thought Hooky designed the Sleeve and wrote Blue Monday [ohwell]

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the_blank_from_hell wrote:

Andy wrote:

Pyrtwist wrote: How does it feel???

I'd never heard this track before.

Skip to 1:19. It's an eye-opener.

So obviously this is the inspiration behind "Blue Monday" AND "Temptation". Question is, had they ever an original idea? [:d]

"Talent borrows, genius steals".

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Gillian and Steve should be the first ones interviewed—then Barney.

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Thanks again wrote: Some interesting stuff in there . That photo was in an NME feature around 1988

Looks like that's from the same shoot as the 'kitchen table' pic.

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Andy wrote:

Pyrtwist wrote: How does it feel???

I'd never heard this track before.

Skip to 1:19. It's an eye-opener.

Oh fook! That's a Blue Monday rip off! [clown]

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Linus Solanki wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/feb/11/how-we-made-blue-monday

'Bernard and Stephen worked out how to use a sampler by spending hours recording farts'

The record sold so quickly that the version I bought had a black sleeve but no holes.

Did she buy a record by herself? [eek2]

Same thing about The Hacienda, she paid to get in her own night club. That's why I loved New Order in the 80´s, very amateurs indeed!

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Great interview with Gillian and very cool to know that she did a lot of the programming on Blue Monday. You can def hear how that Donan Summer song influenced the New Order one.

I am waiting for Hooky to now say that HE did the programming on Blue Monday, haha.

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The comments after the article are...interesting.

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Big Mouth Julio wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2013/feb/11/how-we-made-blue-monday

'Bernard and Stephen worked out how to use a sampler by spending hours recording farts'

The record sold so quickly that the version I bought had a black sleeve but no holes.

Did she buy a record by herself? [eek2]

Same thing about The Hacienda, she paid to get in her own night club. That's why I loved New Order in the 80´s, very amateurs indeed!

The second quote is from Saville.

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Ah that's a good find! But who cares what who stole from whom? It's what people still enjoy to this day. And Blue Monday is still certainly valid, judging by club music, and being rooted in tribal, primitive dance urge, it will always be. Just like Justin Bieber who practically renders J. S. Bach and Vivaldi melodies in a new arrangement, will be relevant even after the cemeteries we will be buried in will be demolished for aircraft parking lots.

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Andy wrote:

I'd never heard this track before.

Skip to 1:19. It's an eye-opener.

Well if you hadn't heard that before, you may want to go youtube hunting following this little paragraph:

According to Bernard Sumner, "Blue Monday" was influenced by four songs: the arrangement came from "Dirty Talk", by Klein + M.B.O.; the signature bassline with octaves came from Sylvester's disco classic, "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)"; the beat came from "Our Love", by Donna Summer; and the long keyboard pad on the intro and outro was sampled from the Kraftwerk song "Uranium", from the Radio-Activity album.

Above is from Wikipedia, and I know I've seen the interview where Bernard says this, but I can't be arsed to find it now.

In fact I'll save you the legwork on youtube: Uranium Dirty Talk (European Connection Instrumental) you make me feel...

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Funny how it sounds like all of those, but is miles better.

As JJ says - Genius steals.

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Debaser wrote: According to Bernard Sumner, "Blue Monday" was influenced by four songs: the arrangement came from "Dirty Talk", by Klein + M.B.O.; the signature bassline with octaves came from Sylvester's disco classic, "You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real)"; the beat came from "Our Love", by Donna Summer; and the long keyboard pad on the intro and outro was sampled from the Kraftwerk song "Uranium", from the Radio-Activity album.

Above is from Wikipedia, and I know I've seen the interview where Bernard says this, but I can't be arsed to find it now.

This quote is from the book "Manchester, England: The Story of the Pop Cult City" by Dave Haslam.

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leather-girl wrote:

Inspiration for the lyrical melody may have come from Gerry & The Holograms (from Manchester)

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This may have influence the Gerry and the Holograms track. The vocal melody is very similar.

The Rolling Stones cover was well known.

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So the bass drum stutter/machine gun effect on BM possibly came from the Donna Summer song? They'd previously always claimed it came about from incorrectly programming their new drum machine

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Now this is interesting... Who WAS Gerry & the Holograms? Did they know him? This sounds like a lot of early live New Order. Did this guy work with New Order in the early 80s? Did this song inspire New Order?

Looking online, "they" had two 7" singles... but this is basically the only song. One 7" was a joke vinyl that was glued to sleeve apparently, so it was unplayable.

This video has references to The Residents, Andy Kaufman, Elvis, and Frank Zappa.

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Thanks again wrote: So the bass drum stutter/machine gun effect on BM possibly came from the Donna Summer song? They'd previously always claimed it came about from incorrectly programming their new drum machine

The story was that an error was made in triggering the sequencer. The intention was for it to come in from the beginning, not after a kick-drum only intro. It was a happy accident that ended up highlighting the distinctive drum pattern. If anything, the kick-drum echo on the Donna Summer track was more similar to the effect used on "The Beach".

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In an interview in GQ, Bernard also mentions The Desert Place by german band The Twins as an influence for BM. I can hear it. Especially the intro and the sequencer. Great song, great video.

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We the most flat chested woman with big hair that you can find for the video, got that Hasselhoff?

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[Now this is interesting... Who WAS Gerry & the Holograms? Did they know him? This sounds like a lot of early live New Order. Did this guy work with New Order in the early 80s? Did this song inspire New Order?

gerry and the holograms was mostly CP Lee, former member of 70's mancunian comedy-rock band Alberto y Lost Trios Paranoias, and latter-day "cultural commentator". on drums in Albertos was Bruce Mitchell, of Durutti Column

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BM was released 07/03/83. I thought about starting a new thread entitled "Happy 30th, Blue Monday" but I thought that might be a bit corny. So this'll have to do...

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Debaser wrote: BM was released 07/03/83. I thought about starting a new thread entitled "Happy 30th, Blue Monday" but I thought that might be a bit corny. So this'll have to do...

It's still corny.

To mark the anniversary, the New Order Facebook site put up a YouTube link to Blue Monday.

In case you haven't heard it.

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Does anyone know why the 83 vid never got an official release? Fuck it, they've had enough chances - Substance 89, NOStory, Best Of '94, Item...

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John Digweed and Nick Muir 30th anniversary remix of Blue MondayListen

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Midnight Blue wrote: Top 10 Facts About New Order's "Blue Monday" http://www.alancross.ca/a-journal-of-musical-things/2013/3/8/top-10-facts-about-new-orders-blue-monday-which-turned-30-th.html

Some of these "facts" are questionable, specially 1 (the band never confirmed that the song is about the day after Curtis' death), 6 (the band produced themselves), 8 (nobody knows for sure how many copies were sold) and 9 (it's part of the factory records myth, but it's not true).

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