leather-girl wrote: I personally do like remixes, but I have no desire to collect every remix (official or unofficial) that's ever been made. If it's not available digitally, I suppose some might look at auction sites (Ebay etc) or something to find what they want. I know there's a Buy/Trade/Sell section both here and on neworderweb, so fans who have a lot of things can trade or sell some items they want.

no one's forcing anyone to listen or get all of these.

i just think its disingenous to say, 'oh, they are available online', when in fact, the vast majority aren't.

if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

i've already mentioned it's too inconvenient to find 20-25 singles individually on ebay, amazon.

also, you never answered my question, what about all the promo mixes, vinyl, and compilation tracks?

there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited, waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

some of the promo's are completely out of print.

this is just a fun project for fans of new order.

just like the original recycle project, which now seems to have had a lot more of it's tracks officially released. but still a lot more that haven't been.

if you don't want to hear the majority of their work, i guess we can always go back to talking about ian curtis's table?

too me, the whole point of new order, is their music, good and bad.

perhaps you don't think of them as a music band? which is odd, since you wanted to see their music book?

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I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

on a management note.

the blog has quite a few members now. so we're ending enrollment for the project.

those that joined, will continue to get updates, and what's posted here will be match it.

thanks for all the support, and we'll continue to explore new order's music in depth there.

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leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

well thank you for your thoughts. although quite a few fans don't think it's pointless. i guess we shouldn't be judged less of a fan, because we are interested either.

50pound, and others knew the risk, and it didn't stop them. it's not stopping me either, but thanks for mentioning it.

again, there will be a lot more posts of pictures and their books. which you can check out.i'll be getting back to those soon.

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Good points, NotAMod.

I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

NotAMod wrote:

negative1 wrote: if people had an option to get them, they would, but they can't.

They do, it just requires a bit of effort, how did other fans come to acquire them? I think while the original Recycle was beautifully executed and important one of the downsides was it created a side-effect of automatic entitlement with some people. I believe £50 Note commented on that himself at one point when some people almost demanded lossless copies over AAC. Now some expect whole releases to be available to them at a click and absolutely free of charge. It hasn't set a great precedent but there were no doubts £50 Note genuinely hoped the record label would pick up the project and run with it. The point remains with each of these mass give aways the chances of the label doing something (however slim) reduce further and your Recycle 2 will have the same impact once it hits the torrent sites (and it will, no matter how "private" you make it).

you are basing your thoughts on a false assumption.

since you didn't join the blog, you have no idea about the project parameters.

no body is expecting anything for free, they are investing their time, and sharing their resources with each other. i would hardly call that free.

there will be no impact, because new order and their management never has and will never provide the quality product that the fans can make by themselves. after waiting 30 years, if the best they can do is retro, and the botched remasters,

i'm not willing to wait 30 more years for them to straighten their act out.

negative1 wrote: there are a lot of b-sides in there too. it's not just mixes.

That's disingenuous because as you know it's mainly remixes, they only had 5 sporadic b-sides post-Factory:

Vicious Circle, Behind Closed Doors, Sabotage, Player In The League and Such A Good Thing - in that order.

you have a different idea, maybe if you expanded that to include all the non compilation tracks, and live tracks. it is a small but significant amount.

negative1 wrote: how are you supposed to buy or find things that were limited, waiting for the sirens call (tribute mix) 10" only had 30 copies.

100 copies, not 30. Again, if you really want one they are for sale on Discogs.

i stand corrected, you are right, the 12" only had 30 copies. yes, they are on sale, for a ridiculous amount though. no thanks. already have it.

negative1 wrote: some of the promo's are completely out of print.

Promos are never "in print" to begin with as they're not meant for public consumption. They're pressed once and that's it.

and yet, i have countless promos in my hand, bought and paid for. turning a blind eye to them does not make them disappear, and neither do your definition of them.

most of them contain valuable mixes, and are an important part of new orders history.

negative1 wrote: 50pound, and others knew the risk, and it didn't stop them.

Actually it did stop them in the case of The New Order Archives, or did you miss this? You may be interested in the bit "It was mentioned to me that the label has been focusing on me/the blog(s) as well.".

Best of luck with your blog etc. I'm sure your members will enjoy it but all the above points stand.

thanks appreciate it.

but if you think a bunch of tracks are going to miraculously appear in FLAC/WAV for free. you have no idea how this project is going to work. or what is going to come out of it.

none of your points make any difference in the scheme of things, and it stands there will be many more to come.

============================================= 1 recycle+ - a entirely new take on the original recycle with a lot more missing, extra tracks and demos

2 remasters+ - what the remasters should have been, 2-4cd sets for each album, with the missing tracks done properly

3 retro+ - what retro really should have been

etc. this is just the beginning.

if you and leather girl are not interested in this project, and continue debating about the ethics of it, have no fear.

it won't change anyone's opinion about it. and it will just continue to waste your time reading about it, and all the other projects. you may safely resume commenting about their apperance, pointless interviews, and the lack of anything coming out from them in the future.

cheers.

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Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

You should check out the New Order mix of it.

Oh wait, you can't unless you have the cassette single of it, and want to hear it in low quality.

Well, i can put up a higher quality version of it.

here : new order – vicious circle (new order mix)

PM me for the link.

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NotAMod wrote: Anyway we could argue this until the cows come home. I would say if this project is truly "private" and "enrolment is now closed" then there's no real need to post every single update regarding it on NOOL.

THIS

It's not my place to tell anyone what they can or can't do, but I'd like to state for the record that this project does not have any involvement from myself, Bruce, or Drew, and should not be confused with our original Recycle project in any way. We were given permission (to a point), and used a highly critical eye toward quality control - both in sound and artwork. We got as far as drafting out the post-Factory singles for a second project, but limits were imposed, and countless redundant edits were completely ignored. There's a difference between a listenable project, and hoarding.

Good luck.

50 Pound Note wrote: It's not my place to tell anyone what they can or can't do, but I'd like to state for the record that this project does not have any involvement from myself, Bruce, or Drew, and should not be confused with our original Recycle project in any way. We were given permission (to a point), and used a highly critical eye toward quality control - both in sound and artwork. We got as far as drafting out the post-Factory singles for a second project, but limits were imposed, and countless redundant edits were completely ignored. There's a difference between a listenable project, and hoarding.

Good luck.

yes, thanks for clarifying that point.

it was never meant to insinuate that myself or anyone in the project was related or involves you in it.

you were the original inspiration for this project and many others.

while this will not be the end all, be all new order project. i feel it will be equally as enjoyable, and pleasing to new order fans, as yours was to me.

i still listen to your projects.

and while i did not follow on with your joy division, smiths, or REM projects. i know that they were equally liked and successful.

however, i will continue to post updates here, as i said, it is much easier to discuss this in this forum. also, there is pertinent information that is much more easily pertinent to new order, than the 50th interview with hooky going on about the band.

and although the enrollment is closed. it won't stop people from asking. and i've received several more requests since then.

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NotAMod wrote:

You've posted purpose of your project and how to contact you regarding it, that should be sufficient. Digital Republic is not here for exclusive publicity for a private project which you've just closed access to anyway. It's also not really for you decide that your Edits project is more valid than current interviews by band members or their current projects. Having said that nobody's stopping anyone from discussing Recycle 2 on this thread.

I would ask please do not link files of copyrighted material directly onto these forum, take it off site via a PM.

The band and their management are known to frequent these forums and we want to try and maintain a good relationship with them.

Thanks

thanks,

i've removed the link to that track.

also there is nothing for sale.

merely, posting the artwork and tracklistings of new order songs.

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NotAMod wrote:

Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

No worries, the CD single is on Ebay for 2 quid.

Oh yeah, thats the one Ive got. I must mean the NO mix, with all the trashy samples all over it. I have it on a much abused cassete so if there's a better copy I'm interested.

Coops wrote:

NotAMod wrote:

Coops wrote: I'm not going to lie, sense of entitlement or not, I'd really like a decent copy of Viscious Circle (Mike Haas Mix).

No worries, the CD single is on Ebay for 2 quid.

Oh yeah, thats the one Ive got. I must mean the NO mix, with all the trashy samples all over it. I have it on a much abused cassete so if there's a better copy I'm interested.

as mentioned above, please PM for the link.

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If you didn't already know, your PM box is full.

Ta R.

well, that was fast.

ok, cleared off some messages.

please try again.

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leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

Curious. How come you do not have Movement?

Mike C. wrote:

leather-girl wrote: I do have all albums except Movement, and I do love their music. I don't consider myself a collector, though. I simply think the project is pointless, and a bit risky. And I don't think anybody should think I'm less of a fan, just because I'm not interested in this project.

Curious. How come you do not have Movement?

Yeah, I thought the same thing.

The music is really not my taste---it's strange in a way because I don't mind JD (not a big fan but I like some songs) and I love New Order, but I never really liked any of the songs on 'Movement'.

As an ongoing effort, and to thank the people that have joined.

Here is the first, recycle 2 - series 1 - megamix, 48min:40sec featuring the republic singles:

http://www.directlinkupload.com/uploads/98.195.244.250/new%20order%20-%20recycle%202%20series%201%20megamix.mp3

enjoy.

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leather-girl wrote: The music is really not my taste---it's strange in a way because I don't mind JD (not a big fan but I like some songs) and I love New Order, but I never really liked any of the songs on 'Movement'.

Its a tough disc being that it is smack dab in the middle of the ending of one band, and the beginnings of another. In many ways the band - and the tracks on the album - slip back and forth between the two.

I don't listen to several tracks, for example - I.C.B., Truth, and The Him. A bit dreary. Chosen Time, Denial, and of course Dreams Never End never get old.

If you haven't given these (3) tracks a listen for a while...

Thanks for answering my question.

Sample artwork for Series 1 - Disc 4 - Spooky:

conventional:

alternate:

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here are some images from a private companion book, that will not be released. this is a partial one for the first chapter. it will include a complete discography, text, and images for each single.

there will be a shorter booklet available.

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indiearchivist wrote:

2 world (uk radio edit)                       3:58  cd, cs10 world (the price of love)(best of) (or us radio edit)                           3:39  v, cd, cs, ld 

These are the same thing. UK World timing is incorrect (3:58 is the Perfecto edit). There is another, arguably superior, UK radio edit ("Spike's mix") but it was only used in the video (with added sounds from waves, motorboat, bikes etc). I don't think I've ever heard a "clean" copy of that mix. In an ideal world, that would be on a "Republic" bonus disc if a 2CD release of that ever happens. Or even better, a full length mix. The album version is clearly an edit too.

thanks, i'm checking on this now..

i should add the world mix of video from the dvd (or laserdisc).

how is the album version an edit? i guess i haven't listened to it in a long time. maybe it was on vinyl? or different in the uk from the us version?

i'll get back to this shortly.

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we will begin the audio comparisons and fixes for the first series-disc 1 by next week.

if you haven't voted on the policies, please do, otherwise you won't be able to participate this first round.

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negative1 wrote:

how is the album version an edit? i guess i haven't listened to it in a long time. maybe it was on vinyl? or different in the uk from the us version?

There's an instrumental segment between the second verse and second chorus that's in live versions and (well, half of it) in Spike's mix. I can only assume it was originally part of the song and that the album version was edited down to about 4:40 for various reasons? Not that many people would care anyway....