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perspexorange wrote: I wonder if it's the same version as was featured in the trailer for the second game a couple of years back
Nope, it's a different version, done by Lotte Kestner in 2011.
I find acoustic covers of New Order songs to be completely dull.
So far the show has also used Depeche Mode's Never Let Me Down Again, and Erasure's Chains Of Love. One of the show runners must have a love of late '80s synthpop.
50poundnote wrote:
Nope, it's a different version, done by Lotte Kestner in 2011.
Ta. Hmm. Thought that name seemed familiar. She was the person getting annoyed at the version they used in the trailer being like her arrangement:
Perhaps the show developer thought they'd throw her a bone and give her some promotion by including her in the series.
I'm not a musician, but I wonder how much nuance you can put into a song with just one voice and an acoustic guitar. I'd imagine that most female singer/guitarists who decided to do a 'slowed down acoustic cover' of True Faith would probably sound very similar to Ms Kestner's version, even if they'd never heard it. Unless you have a very distinctive voice or guitar playing, it's bound to sound a little similar to a typical 'busker' type arrangement. To me, her song sounds very standard fare.
I think 'Naughty Dog' caved in a bit here, probably brought on by the huge chunks of bad feeling that the game / company had, even prior to release of the game (there was a massive shit show after it was released, too).
I wonder if it was a bit of damage limitation on their part.
‘I did my climactic speech – then took half an E’: Steve Coogan on making 24 Hour Party People
Michael Winterbottom, director
This film was an allergic reaction to being in Canada on a depressing recce and getting snowed in at a logging town. We wanted to do something closer to home so we decided: “Let’s do something about Manchester, Tony Wilson, the Haçienda nightclub and the music of Factory Records from the late 70s onwards.”
The BBC, who we asked about financing it, weren’t convinced anyone was interested in Tony. But there was something intriguing about him that gave him comic possibilities as a central character: his day job doing silly reports on Granada TV, then running the Haçienda at night. He was someone people liked to take potshots at, yet was incredibly influential in creating that whole Manchester scene. From the beginning, we thought Steve Coogan was the perfect person to play him.
The idea was that Tony would be a slightly unreliable narrator. The writer, Frank Cottrell-Boyce, and I talked about the model being Tristram Shandy, where you’ve got someone struggling to tell the story. We had Tony talk to camera because that was what he did as a TV presenter. The real-life Tony was very open right from the beginning, helping us to meet everyone involved in the scene. He claimed we made a lot of stuff up, but it was only stuff he told us in the first place.
People got on board as they saw we were trying to film in the spirit of Factory. We wanted to be a bit chaotic: out of that, really interesting things can happen. We wanted the actors to have the right attitude, rather than strike an absolute impersonation. Most met their real-life counterparts, apart from, of course, Sean Harris as Ian Curtis. But he was quite an intense person anyway, so he was perfect.
Even the musicians who were a bit reluctant ended up getting involved, especially after we re-created the Haçienda. The real building had been knocked down, so we made a replica – to the exact proportions – in another Manchester warehouse. We ran it as a club for a couple of nights: people were queueing up to get in. New Order came down, and we couldn’t get them out of the DJ booth. It was chaos, people were crying because they were so nostalgic. We had to stop them DJing, because the fire brigade were threatening to close us down.
These days, people are nostalgic for that era and its attitude. Does Factory represent my creative ideal? Film-making works the opposite way, unfortunately. In the process of getting people to give you a few million quid for your script, they have control. It’s hard to be free. I don’t really know how the film did commercially – which is quite a Factory type attitude. At least we didn’t go bankrupt like them.
Steve Coogan, actor
I read in a newspaper that Michael Winterbottom was going to make a film about the Manchester music scene and Steve Coogan was going to play Tony Wilson. This was the first I’d heard about it, so I rang him up and he said: “Sorry, I hadn’t got round to asking you. Will you do it?” I said yes because I didn’t want anyone else to.
I knew Tony a little already. He came to my house for a party when I was 10 , because my aunt was a makeup artist at Granada TV, and in 1990 I was the resident funnyman on one of his shows. I knew I could impersonate him, although I would have to do more than that in the film. I had the rhythms of his speech: he would veer between being very northern working-class and very effete, almost camp.
Doing the film saved my life. I’d had a lot of success doing comedy and Alan Partridge, but I was flatlining and felt typecast with this albatross. It was an escape. Michael came along and did a bit of a Tony Wilson on me. He saw me as being more interesting and edgy.
The way Michael shot was a revelation. I never had to hit a mark or find a light. There was a lot of improvisation. The only people on set were Michael, the director of photography Robby Müller and the sound guy, the three of them in a huddle that would just move around the room. I would frequently do scenes and not know where the camera was. It was a little creative epiphany for me. Working with Michael was free-form, it was about not over-engineering something. Comedy is quite a safe place to be if you get the laugh, but Michael taught me not to do the joke. Embrace the tension, the awkwardness.
We had a scene with Morrissey snogging Tony Wilson’s ex-wife in the back of a car while Tony’s trying to be postmodern about it. But Morrissey wouldn’t let us use it because it never happened. Maybe it’s good he’s not in it, after all the shite he’s been coming out with these days. Mick Hucknall stopped speaking to me after the joke about God calling his music rubbish. Peter Hook had a great antipathy to the film: he said it was the biggest cunt in Manchester being played by the second biggest cunt. But he ended up doing the DVD commentary.
I got goosebumps when I walked into the re-created Haçienda. One of my first gigs was there in 1986, supporting my brother’s band, the Mock Turtles. There was no legendary last night as depicted in the film. I got my climactic speech for that scene out of the way with a clear head, then took half an E. It was – what’s the fashionable word – an immersive experience. We weren’t particularly well behaved.
It was the first time I didn’t want a film to end because I felt we had created an alternative reality and I wanted to go on living in this little world. I haven’t seen the film for 18 years now. It would be like opening a shoebox of old photographs. It captured the last vestiges of grubby Manchester, before it was redeveloped. The romantic Manchester in my head will always be the one of 24 Hour Party People.
The Gold, a new series on bbc 1, aired its first episode last night. It’s about the robbery at Heathrow airport in 1983 and one of the first scenes had someone driving along, while age of consent played on his car stereo.
is it bro wrote: The Gold, a new series on bbc 1, aired its first episode last night. It’s about the robbery at Heathrow airport in 1983 and one of the first scenes had someone driving along, while age of consent played on his car stereo.
Ah cool. As mentioned earlier in the thread, they used 'Digital' for the trailer.
Again, more to fuel our theory that there's a fan in the BBC sounds department.
Funnily enough there was a Matthew McConaughey film called Gold (2017) that had BM, Temptation and Atmosphere on the soundtrack, as reported on this thread at the time.
I haven't watched any of this new "The Gold" series yet (no relation), but I understand that Episode 1 contains not only AOC but also...Temptation and Atmosphere.
EDIT: In fact there's a "BBC Sounds" playlist for the show which you can stream on your PC etc, or download to the BBC Sounds app (UK only) which indeed has the three tracks named above along with some Echo & The Bunnymen, The Stranglers, Depeche Mode, The Fall, The Cure, The Smiths, Roxy Music, Tears For Fears...
Spotted AoC in episode 1 but not Temptation or Atmosphere. Only seen first episode so far. Sean Harris is in it.To be honest i wasn't that gripped by it.
Watching "Gold" on the BBC...
...Kenneth Noye - a Kent villain - was seen barreling down a country road in a Rolls Royce - listening to New Order's "Age Of Consent".
Sorry but this is completely nonsense - dim blokes (from the South East of England) didn't listen to New Order in their cars in 1983!
Indeed "Age of Consent" had about as much chance of being played on daytime BBC Radio 1 - as Karlheinz Stockhausen's "Gesang der Juenglinge".
Yes New Order got played on Radio 1 - but mainly on Peel (after 10pm).
Are we supposed to think that in between gold smelting and stabbing people - Noye cracked open a fresh TDK Metal tape to record PCL on his Nakamichi!
...so he could listen to it in his Roller?
Sorry but this is exactly what happens when programmes are made by people not even born in the era portrayed.
It is the same phenomenon as the endless talking head music programmes on Sky Arts...
...in which 12 year olds talk knowledgeably about the late 1960s.
Even "Temptation" in Episode 2 seems a bit unlikely for daytime radio play (after all - it barely cracked the Top 40)
In 1982-83 New Order were still largely a cult band (rarely played on daytime Radio 1).
Waking up to "Shellshock" in 1986 on my Amstrad Clock Radio was a most unusual novelty!
Meanwhile the kind of uncultured riff raff featured in "Gold" would have still been listening to their Spandau Ballet LPs...
..."Gold" - I'll get me coat"
Wow!
I knew about this interview / live performance, as I had an audio rip of it. Great to have as a video now though. It's in four parts, all linked together.
https://twitter.com/JDNOPICS/status/1627790376722472963
Can't seem to embed the link, so you'll just have to follow it.
If anyone can embed the four parts, please help a brother out.
Cheers D! Appreciated.
Edit: Actually, I've just found it as one video on YouTube (thanks to DigiMike):
Fotz wrote: ^Great stuff. Hadn't seen that ever.
No. Me neither. Awesome, eh? ![[:d]](/emoticons/biggrin.gif){kind=small}
I love it when obscure 80s New Order just suddenly gets posted to the internet. It's amazing that there is still stuff out there that we haven't seen before. This was especially great, considering it showed live footage from a gig we'd never seen before. Look at Steve's drumming!
I'm still after that 'white whale' item of mine - Bernard, Hooky and Rob playing a charity football match. Was shown on a programme called 'Villa Tempo' which was shown around about the same time as this (Jan '86). Again, I have audio, but no video. One day it will turn up! :-)
perspexorange wrote: Cheers D! Appreciated.
Edit: Actually, I've just found it as one video on YouTube (thanks to DigiMike):
nice video, but i wish they would be able to get through ceremony without being interrupted (happened many times on academy too).
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I’d settle for Bernard not messing up pretty much every lyric in LWTUA.
All part of the charm, of course!
And certainly beats the auto-cue that we get nowadays.
He didn't say what day they will be on (and what they are promoting unless there is a mountain of Low-Life boxsets they're trying to push), but Chris Hawkins has just announced that Stephen and Gillian will be on his Radio 6 show one afternoon next week.
Ace! Thanks. Will try and remember to look out for it.
If you find out the day, please post again here.
^ Looking on the schedule for next week it's Tuesday's show and S&G are on to talk about 40th anniversary of BM.
Journalist John Heilemann's LWTUA shirt on Political/Comedy show Real Time with Bill Maher
Had one of those in 1990ish.
Ah, good times
Think I eked out a little more use out of it by resurrecting it as a duster.
I still can't seem to embed links
Andy, Perspexorange gave a pretty good explanation on embedding YT clips here. I think it might work for you too.
I just watched a couple of minutes of that Bill Mahar show because Brand is trending on twitter (!). Where Russell Brand says there's too much money and corruption in politics I think: fair enough. But then he says: MSNBC is equivalent to Fox News. So John Heilemann asks him to give one example of an MSNBC host saying something they don’t believe. Brand refers to the effectiveness of Ivermectin. Oh dear, oh dear...
Embedding YouTube you just have to remove the s from https i think? Click on the [BB/] option, paste in the URL, remove the s from https.
Doing it from your phone is a bit more tricky as you have to also remove the 'm.' from thr URL.
Fotz wrote: ^ Looking on the schedule for next week it's Tuesday's show and S&G are on to talk about 40th anniversary of BM.
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Blue Monday bingo?
We took inspiration from Donna/Georgio, Kraftwerk, Morricone, Klein & MBO. We lost money on every copy. It was like a knitting pattern, Gillian missed a bit. The drum machine got wiped, the first version was better. Gerry and The Holograms? Nah, never heard of him/them.
Debaser wrote:
Fotz wrote: ^ Looking on the schedule for next week it's Tuesday's show and S&G are on to talk about 40th anniversary of BM.
Reninder [TWITTER]1632785863385157634[/TWITTER]
Blue Monday bingo?
We took inspiration from Donna/Georgio, Kraftwerk, Morricone, Klein & MBO. We lost money on every copy. It was like a knitting pattern, Gillian missed a bit. The drum machine got wiped, the first version was better. Gerry and The Holograms? Nah, never heard of him/them.
I’ll accept and raise you one ‘Top Of The Pops performance so bad, we actually dropped chart placings’.
Oh, and talking of the TOTP performance, there'll probably be some mention of the fact that the wrong disc was loaded, resulting in the wrong sample being played (and Steve and Bernard laughing).
Joking aside, I do love that performance. It sums up everything that I adore about the band. To paraphrase the words of Hacker T. Dog, they're 'just normal men'.
BTW, did we ever get to the bottom of this image? Why Bernard is wearing a different outfit than the broadcast version?
I'm guessing they did a second take, but why did Bernard feel a complete outfit change was necessary?
Perhaps he felt that he couldn't 'rock the double-denim look' and hoped the producer would go with the second take?
Horrendous Pernod & Orange regurgitation moment, possibly?
Johnny James - does an alternate take exist in Auntie Beeb's archive? If so, is there any clue as to what happened?
Ken Doherty wrote:
He didn't say what day they will be on (and what they are promoting unless there is a mountain of Low-Life boxsets they're trying to push), but Chris Hawkins has just announced that Stephen and Gillian will be on his Radio 6 show one afternoon next week.
They're on right now (40th anniversary of Blue Monday)
Ken Doherty wrote:
Ken Doherty wrote:
He didn't say what day they will be on (and what they are promoting unless there is a mountain of Low-Life boxsets they're trying to push), but Chris Hawkins has just announced that Stephen and Gillian will be on his Radio 6 show one afternoon next week.
They're on right now (40th anniversary of Blue Monday)
Well he refused to say whether another New Order album was on the way but he did mention they had been in a studio at some point last year and didn't want to confirm anything until they at least had a single to put out which is a start.
Good little interview. I don't expect a new album anytime soon but an EP would be nice.
Re that TOTP photo, perspex.I noticed the different clothing some yeatr ago, yes. Prob a rehearsal run through. Doubt we'll ever see a clip of it if one even exists.
FFS
Debaser wrote: Blue Monday bingo?
We took inspiration from Donna/Georgio, Kraftwerk, Morricone, Klein & MBO. We lost money on every copy. It was like a knitting pattern, Gillian missed a bit. The drum machine got wiped, the first version was better. Gerry and The Holograms? Nah, never heard of him/them.
perspexorange wrote:
I’ll accept and raise you one ‘Top Of The Pops performance so bad, we actually dropped chart placings’.
Well I did learn something new: Gillian's hamster was female. Stephen learned that today too. Some sort of new music coming at some point. Well at least they're still saying that rather than: nah we've stopped.
PS I notice 6Music played Bloodbuzz Ohio by The National a few minutes later. Love that track but surely they should have played current track, New Order T-shirt...
