Hi,
Just received an email notification from HMV Japan regarding this - wonder if the faults of the original release (Blue Monday false start etc) will have been rectified?
The track listing is in Japanese: Singles (2015 Remastered Version) [eek3]
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Maybe Run 2 will actually make an appearance.
They've done away with the bonus tracks. My original Japanese copy has Everything's Gone Green - Cicada Mix and Bizarre Love Triangle - Richard X Remix (Edit) at the end of the second disc.
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...and fix the left and right channels (which were the wrong way round for many of the tracks).
And feature the actual 7 inch mix of Confusion (rather than the edited Rough Mix that was on there).
And replace Turn (which was never actually a single) with Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (which was a US single).
And feature the Minimix of Spooky (which was the official single mix) rather than the album edit (which wasn't).
And include the Arthur Baker Radio Mix of 1963 (which was the single version) rather than the edit of 1963-94 (which wasn't). And put it on there after Spooky when it was actually released as a single.
And include the actual 7 inch single remix of Bizarre Love Triangle rather than the Brotherhood album version.
And how about the original, 4:24 7 inch version of The Perfect Kiss (different to the unique, but erroneous single edit on Total) rather than the Low-life album version.
And feature the original 7 inch mix of True Faith instead of the 12 inch (to be consistent with the other 7 inch single versions on this compilation).
And feature the extremely rare, original 7 inch version of Blue Monday instead of the widely available 12 inch mix, whilst dropping the 1988 version to avoid repetition. Or ditch the 1983 Blue Monday altogether (which didn't have an official 7 inch release) in favour of the 1988 7 inch version.
...Just like I've done in my ITunes playlist.
And why include I'll Stay With You (not a single)?
And why release it now? Why not remaster and re-release it in a year to include the next batch of up upcoming singles..?
How odd.
Had forgotten just how many errors there were with this release!
^ Impressive stuff. I think. I'm pretty sure I had a problem ripping the CD to my laptop without every track sounding massively distorted. I think that's a Warners thing, but I could be wrong.
Regarding waiting for the next batch of singles - it's new label now. I don't imagine Warners have any entitlement to stuff released on Mute. It's a cash in job to try to get people to purchase it whilst purchasing Music Complete I suspect.
Nice. I'll be placing a pre-order.
As Mr Discography has already covered hopefully this new pressing will correct most of the omissions from the original decade-old compilation but I suspect aside from the addition of ISWY it will probably be much the same. Hope to be proven wrong though. More importantly I hope the new mastering does the music justice. The original 2005 release was loud, brick-walled and generally just headache-inducing to listen to after a while. I know a lot of fans don't give a flying fudge about that type of thing but if you're trying to enjoy the music on a decent rig the original compilation was not ideal. They got the sound much better on the fixed Collector's Edition bonus discs and Total/Lost Sirens so hopefully Giovanni Scatola or Frank Arkwright will be involved.
Turn was definitely going to be a single but was cancelled at the last minute. Hooky spoke about it in an NME interview at the time mentioning that WFTSC (Tribute Mix) would be the b-side but obviously nothing materialised beyond the ultra-rare Tribute Mix 10". The version of Turn we got on Singles was clearly a new radio edit so perhaps the compilation was finalised before it was pulled. I'll Stay With You was released on a dutch promotional CDR around the time of Lost Sirens so if it had been ten years earlier it most likely would have been a single. It certainly had 'single' or 'key track' written all over it upon first listening; New Order through and through.
Could this be the beginning of a steady roll out of quality remasters of other neglected New Order releases? We've just had Joy Division's Substance reissued, why not New Order's?
A decent Republic reissue also wouldn't go amiss.
Mr Discography wrote: ...and fix the left and right channels (which were the wrong way round for many of the tracks).
And feature the actual 7 inch mix of Confusion (rather than the edited Rough Mix that was on there).
And replace Turn (which was never actually a single) with Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (which was a US single).
And feature the Minimix of Spooky (which was the official single mix) rather than the album edit (which wasn't).
And include the Arthur Baker Radio Mix of 1963 (which was the single version) rather than the edit of 1963-94 (which wasn't). And put it on there after Spooky when it was actually released as a single.
And include the actual 7 inch single remix of Bizarre Love Triangle rather than the Brotherhood album version.
And how about the original, 4:24 7 inch version of The Perfect Kiss (different to the unique, but erroneous single edit on Total) rather than the Low-life album version.
And feature the original 7 inch mix of True Faith instead of the 12 inch (to be consistent with the other 7 inch single versions on this compilation).
And feature the extremely rare, original 7 inch version of Blue Monday instead of the widely available 12 inch mix, whilst dropping the 1988 version to avoid repetition. Or ditch the 1983 Blue Monday altogether (which didn't have an official 7 inch release) in favour of the 1988 7 inch version.
Good points, all of them (if it was up to me, I'd have included Murder instead of BM88). Shouldn't Perfect Kiss be the Ivan Ivan edit (3:50-ish) that's on the second UK 7" (but who knows if there's a usable master tape for that..)?
It's probably too late to change anything now, as this is only 2 months away, but it looks like they've moved 1963 in the way you suggest above, which hopefully means there are other differences too! Fingers crossed..
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Someone needs a hobby.
Totally unfair. Clearly, with the surname Discography, he had no choice but to continue the vocation of his heritage.
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Andy wrote:
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Someone needs a hobby.
Totally unfair. Clearly, with the surname Discography, he had no choice but to continue the vocation of his heritage.
As Jimmy Carr said on guinea pigs: 'The clue there is in the name.'
It does beg the question why they don't ask the people who know when putting these things together (ie the fans). New Order's catalogue is full of errors.
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Yeah, there were strong rumours circa 2005 that 'Turd' would be a single:
- the '7" edit at the end of 'Singles'
- artwork of a Terne (tee hee, or maybe terne hee)
- no less than three vids made
- the WFTSC megamix as a B-side... However a punter asked DJ Hooky about it and he said, 'I have no idea.' I got the impression it gave way to the 12 x 12" shambles, which in typical NO style raised more questions than it answered. ('Retro', anyone?)
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Yeah, there were strong rumours circa 2005 that 'Turd' would be a single:
- the '7" edit at the end of 'Singles'
- artwork of a Terne (tee hee, or maybe terne hee)
- the WFTSC megamix as a B-side... However a punter asked DJ Hooky about it and he said, 'I have no idea.' I got the impression it gave way to the 12 x 12" shambles, which in typical NO style raised more questions than it answered. ('Retro', anyone?)
I remember that whole fiasco. First it was going to come out, then it wasn't, then it was...I believe it was called the "Prairie Dog Remix".
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Tracklisting - it's also being released on 4LP 180g vinyl and 2xCD outside of Japan:
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-349061-new-order-singles-limited-edition-180g-vinyl-4lp-box-set.aspx
New Order - Singles (Limited Edition 180g Vinyl 4LP Box Set)
Brand: RHINO RECORDS Category: Music, Vinyl LP, 180g Vinyl, Box Sets. SKU: LDN69620 Availability: October 16, 2015
Track Listing LP1
- Ceremony
- Procession
- Everything's Gone Green (7" Version)
- Temptation (Original 7" Version)
- Blue Monday
- Confusion (UK 7" Promo Edit)
- Thieves Like Us (7" Version)
LP2
- The Perfect Kiss (7" Edit)
- Sub-Culture (7" Version)
- Shellshock (7" Version)
- State Of The Nation (7" Version)
- Bizarre Love Triangle (7" Remix Edit)
- True Faith (7" Edit)
- Touched By The Hand Of God (7" Version)
- Blue Monday '88 (7" Version)
LP3
- Fine Time (7" Version)
- Round And Round (7" Version)
- Run 2 (7" Remix Edit)
- World In Motion (7" Version)
- Regret (7" Version)
- Ruined In A Day (7" Edit)
- World (The Price Of Love) (7" Version)
- Spooky (Radio Album Edit)
LP4
- Nineteen63 (Arthur Baker Radio Remix)
- Crystal (CD Single Mix)
- 60 Miles An Hour (CD Single Mix)
- Here To Stay (Radio Edit)
- Krafty (Single Edit)
- Jetstream (Radio Edit)
- Waiting For The Sirens' Call (Rich Costey Radio Edit)
- Turn (Stephen Street Edit)
- I'll Stay With You (Lost Sirens LP Version)
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Mr Discography wrote: Had forgotten just how many errors there were with this release!
If the tracklisting I've posted above is correct, most of your prayers appear to have been answered... Of course, without listening to it... :p
Oh, btw, was the Stephen Street edit of "Turn" ever released? I can't remember?
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Yes, it seems they've actually done their homework this time. Still, there is the risk of things being mislabelled, but hopefully not.
Let me guess we'll get the Total 7" edit of Perfect Kiss, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
They must hate the Fluke mix of 'Spooky' as it's still not on there.. what's weird is that the Republic LP reissue track listing also has this 'radio album edit' - surely some mistake?
indiearchivist wrote: Yes, it seems they've actually done their homework this time. Still, there is the risk of things being mislabelled, but hopefully not.
Let me guess we'll get the Total 7" edit of Perfect Kiss, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
They must hate the Fluke mix of 'Spooky' as it's still not on there.. what's weird is that the Republic LP reissue track listing also has this 'radio album edit' - surely some mistake?
We'll have to listen to it first - it wouldn't be the first time stuff has been mislabelled! ![[:p]](/emoticons/tongue.gif){kind=small}
Hopefully the "radio album edit" is a mistake but, again, we'll have to wait and see...
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I must have fallen asleep and are dreaming. Singles on quadruple vinyl? All nicely corrected? Best get saving as the autumn looks expensive!
Btw: fricking I'll stay with you????
Andy wrote:
I remember that whole fiasco. First it was going to come out, then it wasn't, then it was...I believe it was called the "Prairie Dog Remix".
Personally I think 'Turd' would've been a good single and a great closer to that period, just a tad hard to remix - far better'n 'Jetstream', which I actually don't mind, especially in its remixed forms.
Come to think of it I am surprised that "Hellbent" isn't on there.
Given that it was on Total (a singles collection) and was issued on at least two promotional CDrs at the time.
No big deal though.
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It'll be great if this re-release corrects all the mistakes of the previous version. Even if it does, it'll only give us three seven inch versions that haven't yet been avaiable on CD somewhere (Confusion, Perfect Kiss, Run 2). Had never noticed before that the UK seven inch mix of Perfect Kiss (FAC 123) was the shorter of the two seven inch mixes - be good to have that version on there instead of the 4:23 FBN edit.
What'd make it more attractive to collectors, however, would be a third disc with all B-sides in their seven inch versions, including the shorter versions of the dub mixes that were on the early seven inches. That'd really be worth buying!
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Following on from my above post, if this re-release were to feature fan-enticing bonus disc(s) including the shorter seven inch versions of B-sides (unreleased to-date on CD), these 17 tracks would all fit on one CD:
In A Lonely Place (7 Inch) (4:39) Procession (4:30) Mesh (3:04) Cries And Whispers (3:27) Hurt (7 Inch) (4:47) Lonesome Tonight (7 Inch) (3:53) Murder (3:56) 1963 (5:32) Don't Do It (4:34) Best & Marsh (Seven Inch) (3:34) MTO (3:44) Vicious Circle (The New Order Mix) (4:07) Let's Go (3:56) Behind Closed Doors (5:26) Sabotage (4:51) Player In The League (5:36) Such A Good Thing (4:08)
[1 hour 13 min 35 secs total time]
Or for a tastier 'deluxe' version, these 28 tracks would fit onto two bonus CDs (including the seven-inch edits of B-side dub/alternate band versions):
In A Lonely Place (7 Inch) (4:39) Procession (4:30) Mesh (3:04) Cries And Whispers (3:27) Hurt (7 Inch) (4:47) Lonesome Tonight (7 Inch) (3:53) Murder (3:56) The Kiss Of Death (7 Inch) (3:01) Dub-Vulture (7 Inch) (3:37) Thieves Like Us (Instrumental Edit) (3:58) Shame Of The Nation (7 Inch) (3:35) Bizarre Dub Triangle (7 Inch) (3:28) 1963 (5:32) Evil Dust (3:45) Touched By The Hand Of Dub (7 Inch) (4:12) Confusion Dub 1987 (5:23) Beach Buggy (7 Inch) (4:20) Don't Do It (4:34) Best & Marsh (Seven Inch) (3:34) MTO (3:44) World In Motion... (The B-Side) (4:49) Regret (The New Order Mix) (5:12) Vicious Circle (The New Order Mix) (4:07) Let's Go (3:56) Behind Closed Doors (5:26) Sabotage (4:51) Player In The League (5:36) Such A Good Thing (4:08)
[1 hour 58 min 52 secs total time]
Over to you, Rhino.......?!
just to get even more fancy, will need to update the 4xcd version made by fans back in 2003.
will have to add the recent tracks to this:
------------------------------------------------new order box - international 2 (singles+b-sides)------------------------------------------------[v0.4d] by -1 analysis------------------------------------------------disc 01 the early singles------------------------------------------------time (m:s) track(mix) note-------------------------------------------------------------------4:34 1 ceremony (original) from the original 7"4:27 2 procession from the original 7"3:13 3 Dreams Never End album version (was released on us 10" promo)5:33 4 Everything's Gone Green from the original 12"5:23 5 Temptation (7") from the uk 7"3:26 6 Rocking Carol from the uk flexi4:24 7 ecstasy (or only the lonely) album version (was released on us 10" promo) 4:34 8 Blue Monday (video version) from the uk video 3:54 9 Confusion (video version) from the uk video3:54 10 Thieves Like Us (edit) from the uk 7" promo3:55 11 Murder from the 12"4:23 12 The Perfect Kiss (edit) from the 7"3:29 13 Sub-culture (edit) from the 7"4:19 14 Shellshock (edit) from the 7"3:25 15 State of the Nation (edit) from the 7"3:40 16 Bizarre Love Triangle (edit) from the 7"4:03 17 Way Of Life from the us 12" promo3:51 18 weirdo album version (was released on bz 12" promo)4:10 19 True Faith (album edit) from us promo cd-----79min:53sec act[79min:18sec]disc 02 the latter singles-------------------------------------------------------------------3:40 1 Touched by the Hand of God(edit) from the 7"/japanese 3" cds4:10 2 Blue Monday 1988 (7" version) from the 7"/cds3:08 3 Fine Time (7" version) from the 7"/cds3:31 4 Round & round (7") from the 7"/cds3:35 5 Run 2 from the uk 7" promo/japanese laserdisc4:20 6 Mr. Disco album version (was released on bz 12" promo)3:56 7 World In Motion... (video mix) from the 'best of' japanese laserdisc4:07 8 Regret (7 inch version) from the 7"/cds3:58 9 Ruined In A Day (k-klass edit) from the promo cd-single3:39 10 World (the radio edit) from the cd-single3:44 11 Spooky (radio edit) from the us cd-single4:28 12 True Faith-94 (radio edit) from the cd-single4:04 13 1963 (95 arthur baker radio remix) from the cd-single4:02 14 Let's Go (nothing for me) album version (was released as us cds promo)4:14 15 Blue Monday 95(hardfloor radio edit)from the uk cd-single promo3:20 16 brutal (edit) from the uk cd-single promo4:29 17 True Faith 2002(morel's Pink Noise Edit)from the us cd-single promo4:19 18 Crystal (radio edit) from the us cd-single4:45 19 60mph (david kahne mix 2) from the us cd-single promo3:55 20 Here to Stay (radio edit) from the uk cd-single-----79min:24sec act[76m:00s+3:56]disc 03 the early b-sides-------------------------------------------------------------------4:35 1 in a lonely place (7") from the 'ceremony' original 7"4:00 2 Everything's Gone Green (7") from the procession 7"4:37 3 truth album version (was released as us 10" promo) 3:00 4 Mesh from the original 12"3:25 5 Cries and Whispers from the original 12"4:42 6 hurt (7") from the uk 7"3:42 7 Ode to joy from the uk flexi5:19 8 Confusion Beats from the 12"4:00 9 lonesome tonight(7") from the uk 7" promo5:09 10 The Perfect Kiss (Instrumental) from the 7"3:36 11 Dub-vulture (edit) from the 7"3:55 12 Thieves Like Us (instrumental edit) from the shellshock 7"3:37 13 Shame of the Nation (edit) from the 7"3:23 14 Bizarre Dub Triangle (edit) from the 7"4:10 15 Touched by the Hand of Dub(edit) from the 7"/japanese 3" cds4:17 16 Beach Buggy (7" edit) from the 7"/japanese 5" cds4:30 17 Don't Do It from the 7"3:59 18 Best & marsh (7") from the 7"/uk cds3:43 19 MTO from the uk 7" promo------79min:23sec (approx) act[79m:07s]disc 04 the latter b-sides+miscellaneous-------------------------------------------------------------------4:56 1 World In Motion'96(mark bell remix)from the 'beautiful game' compilation4:09 2 Vicious Circle (new order mix) from the cassette maxi-single4:04 3 true faith-94 (eschreamer mix edit) from cream mix cd3:47 4 blue monday 95 (plutone radio edit or 7") from the uk cd-single promo5:39 5 sunrise (rough inst mix) from 'discrete campaigns' cassette 4:07 6 such a good thing from wim 20025:25 7 Behind Closed Doors from the 'crystal' cd-single4:48 8 Sabotage from the '60 mph' cd-single5:35 9 Player in the League from the 'here to stay' cd-single3:09 10 confusion 2002 (arthur bakers edit) from the uk cd-single0:32 11 blue Monday [Sunkist commercial] from the 'new order story' laserdisc3:58 12 blue monday(live top of the pops)from the 'new order story' laserdisc2:31 13 Happy One from the 'Substance' laserdisc3:54 14 bizarre love triangle (married to the mob) from the soundtrack3:42 15 let's go (salvation) from the soundtrack5:08 16 the perfect kiss (live vid edit) from the us 12" promo/us dvd9:55 17 the perfect kiss (live video) from the 'best of' japanese laserdisc1:20 18 Perfect Pit from the 12" ----------------------75min:29sec (approx) act[77m:45s]
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Mr Discography wrote: Had never noticed before that the UK seven inch mix of Perfect Kiss (FAC 123) was the shorter of the two seven inch mixes - be good to have that version on there instead of the 4:23 FBN edit.
The thing is the Ivan Ivan edit is a bit of a hatchet job and doesn't present TPK in its best light. It might be rare but ultimately a compromise between what might appeal to collectors and what is best commercially has to be made.
It'll get a release one day, along with other similar rarities.
