POTHL new single?

it doesn't matter who remixes it or how many remixes it gets it'll still be rubbish...you can't polish a turd springs to mind

terrible choice for a single its the only song i skip on the album

Have to agree with Lee, this is easily the worst track on the album, and it's a totally uninspiring choice of remixers as well, the first New Order single in living memory that I won't be buying.

My interpretation of the single release logic:

Restless was described as the track that was the most collaborative product of all the members. They probably wanted their return to be a unified effort.

Tutti Frutti was catchy and novel. It had to be purposed as a single as it was likely to wear out it's welcome existing only as an album track (à la Fine Time).

Singularity would have been many people's choice for lead single. Reasons against were the unified effort theory at odds with Rowlands substantial part and the fact that the song had been making the rounds live so wasn't "new".

People on the High Line is a favourite of Barney's and he was talked out of it being released earlier by Daniel Miller who perceived it as more of a "Summer single".

The clap tone mix is simple but effective and playing it a lot. Not downloaded the other mixes yet as only listened to the vinyl.

The mixes of the singles do far have been really strong with hot chip being a favourite. Probably the best set of new order mixes there has been

High Line entered the UK physical singles chart at #1, just as Singularity did. It seems to be doing pretty well...

People On The High Line at UK Physical Singles Chart

So, what shape is the "shaped" 7" single? I'm assuming it is not circular shaped..... or is it?!!

^ I'm gonna take a guess it might be shaped like this:

Mr. Disco wrote: High Line entered the UK physical singles chart at #1, just as Singularity did. It seems to be doing pretty well...

People On The High Line at UK Physical Singles Chart

Not surprised really. In the release date the CD edition sold out quickly on Mutebank and the 12" was out of stock in the blink of an eye. [:eek] Almost the same at Amazon: their copies were out of stock rapidly and there were sellers asking over 22 GBP for a twelve inch. I've ordered mine at Norman Records, a very cheap one but I had to wait some days until the shop receive new copies from the vinyl.

Singles from "Music Complete" are doing it right on the UK charts! As a fan, I'm very proud.

Aracri wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: High Line entered the UK physical singles chart at #1, just as Singularity did. It seems to be doing pretty well...

People On The High Line at UK Physical Singles Chart

Not surprised really. In the release date the CD edition sold out quickly on Mutebank and the 12" was out of stock in the blink of an eye. [:eek] Almost the same at Amazon: their copies were out of stock rapidly and there were sellers asking over 22 GBP for a twelve inch. I've ordered mine at Norman Records, a very cheap one but I had to wait some days until the shop receive new copies from the vinyl.

The 7" pre-sale went even quicker at most retailers. Might be a keeper.

Seems to be some conflicting info about the 12". Some sites are suggesting there's an alternate version still to come, maybe a US pressing? Can't imagine it'll have a different tracklisting.

But more importantly, thanks for the UK chart image above. Didn't know that Zomby & Burial track had dropped!

In the U.S., the HD and SD Digital Bundles are available now

The Coloured Vinyl 12" is released August 19th

The CDS is released September 16th

The 7" Picture Disc is released September 30th

Still not received the 12" and CD from NewOrder store nearly 2 weeks after release day.

Still in an ongoing argument with the store.They say i'll have to cancel my whole order and order again separately the 12" + CD bundle and the 7" but i know what will happen if i do that; they'll tell me they're sold out.So i'm not going down that route.Looks like i'll have to wait another month.

Safe to say though i won't be using NewOrder store again though.

Well I have had the POTHL CD Single sitting in my unlistened to stuff for a couple of weeks now and finally got round to listening to it this evening...

......how bad is that - in the 80s I used to listen always on the day of release!!

7 mixes of a track I never really rated in the first place - I know it is early but I have had to pour myself a large glass of Scotch to get through this.

......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

Finally the CD arrived. Feels very good the way the slipcase is full now. A massive little box. :)

But where is the video??

AdamTate wrote: ......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

o/

Why have b-sides died? My suspicion is that modern, established groups have confidence that they can turn any of the songs they work on into something suitable for the album, so they do an album's worth of songs and no more, so there's nothing left for b-sides. "proper" B-sides don't sell singles these days, I bet; but did they ever? I love b-sides. I've always loved seeing the side of a group that is a bit more experimental, perhaps less cohesive, a glimpse of a future that might have been. I have some wonderful b-sides collections (the Cure and banshees ones are excellent).

But the death of the proper b-side is nothing particularly new for NO, is it? They stopped post-Factory with Republic/Regret.

Jonathan wrote:

AdamTate wrote: ......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

o/

Why have b-sides died? My suspicion is that modern, established groups have confidence that they can turn any of the songs they work on into something suitable for the album, so they do an album's worth of songs and no more, so there's nothing left for b-sides. "proper" B-sides don't sell singles these days, I bet; but did they ever? I love b-sides. I've always loved seeing the side of a group that is a bit more experimental, perhaps less cohesive, a glimpse of a future that might have been. I have some wonderful b-sides collections (the Cure and banshees ones are excellent).

But the death of the proper b-side is nothing particularly new for NO, is it? They stopped post-Factory with Republic/Regret.

Maybe they're saving any b-sides for a stand alone album or for when a "deluxe" issue of the album is released years later. Anyways, there are still bands out there that put out the b-sides, one band that comes to mind is the Pet Shop Boys.

Jonathan wrote:

AdamTate wrote: ......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

o/

Why have b-sides died? My suspicion is that modern, established groups have confidence that they can turn any of the songs they work on into something suitable for the album, so they do an album's worth of songs and no more, so there's nothing left for b-sides. "proper" B-sides don't sell singles these days, I bet; but did they ever? I love b-sides. I've always loved seeing the side of a group that is a bit more experimental, perhaps less cohesive, a glimpse of a future that might have been. I have some wonderful b-sides collections (the Cure and banshees ones are excellent).

But the death of the proper b-side is nothing particularly new for NO, is it? They stopped post-Factory with Republic/Regret.

You have a point about the songwriting angle, but mixes/dubs/versions were often "b-sides" as early as Blue Monday (or even the version of Love Will Tear Us Apart sharing a side with These Days).

The dark days of the Republic era did spawn one "proper" b-side: The single Ruined in a Day sported Vicious Circle, an instrumental Monaco later developed into a single of it's own (Sweet Lips).

More b-sides emerged during the Get Ready era. I particularly like Behind Closed Doors and Such a Good Thing.

trafaelwyr wrote: [one band that comes to mind is the Pet Shop Boys.

Special shout-out for Suede. Their epic '97 BSide collection amazed reviewers - cos Suede are probably the only band who don't have an A side / B side / LP mentality... They just work to make every track as good as possible. Contrast Blur! Come to think (that's my brain in reverse) the most overrated band ever i.e. one-with.biggest-discrepancy-between-hype-and-product is probably not New Order but Blur. Their singles were awesome but the albums were hit-and-miss and the B-sides were nearly always appalling. There's a story their manager went, 'We want to wring a few more singles off the album but everyone wants new Bsides now' - answer: 'Book us a studio for 3 hours tomorrow and we'll bash something out.' It may not be true but shit like Alex's Song, Gotcher and Daisy Bell show how it could circulate at all. I'd rate Suede over that whole Shitpop hype, including Oasis, Blur and Pulp... When I got sick of NO's meagre output being flogged I got into Blur and scouring the discographies I was impressed how many tracks they did - then I tracked (tee hee) 'em down and wasn't impressed at all! In those days there was no Youtube so fans would pay for 2 CD singles (often massively overpriced if they were oldies) and get 8 minutes of new, shit music.

Yes, 6 tracks only but we get à different Claptone mix.

Yep. That one I saved as a lossless file for sure. Can't wait for the 7". I hope they do 'Plastic' or 'Academic' as a fifth single. I'm a junkie for those NO singles, ever since grade school.

Andy wrote: You have a point about the songwriting angle, but mixes/dubs/versions were often "b-sides" as early as Blue Monday (or even the version of Love Will Tear Us Apart sharing a side with These Days).

I suppose that's not all that has changed, of course; the early singles not being album tracks at all for that matter. You're right that dub versions etc were around back then too, but it's not quite the same thing as we have now, with half a dozen "external" remixes of the a-side as a matter of course. (Come to think of it I'm not even certain that the various dub mixes from the old days were necessarily produced in-house, but I thought they were.)

Andy wrote:

The dark days of the Republic era did spawn one "proper" b-side: The single Ruined in a Day sported Vicious Circle, an instrumental Monaco later developed into a single of it's own (Sweet Lips).

More b-sides emerged during the Get Ready era. I particularly like Behind Closed Doors and Such a Good Thing.

I've think you've named almost all the exceptions to the rule :)

AdamTate wrote:

......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

I couldn't've put it better myself. Well i could, but I don't like to boast. I can't be arsed with these mixes cos (a) I got storage space and cash problems, (b) my obsessive days are well and truly behind me, and (c) they'll all turn up on this rare new database called Youtube. I'm not overstruck with the mixes I've heard so far anyway - the new LP's tough and it ain't like Revenge or Republic where they needed mixing (Spooky Stadium!). It's interesting that New Order did Bsides till BM and then stopped till Technique with 2 exceptions and then - I lost interest. At that level, anyway.

Just got this from N.O. store:

Dear Mr. Disco,

Thank-you for pre-ordering the People On The High Line 7” Shaped Picture Disc.

Due to production delays we aren’t able to ship the vinyl until next month. Sorry!

The vinyl will now be released October 7th in the UK/EU and October 21st in the USA.

Once again please accept our apologies for this delay, thank you for your patience and continued support.

If you have any other questions about your order, please feel free to contact us here.

Many thanks, New Order HQ

...Of course it would be asking too much for them to provide the digital download of the tracks as a compensation, right?

Yes and the items in the same order too. Assholes.

Same here 💀 Seems they don't want to split the order and send the available items first...

Yep i have received that email too.Still not received the 12" and CD because i also ordered the 7" and they're too dumb to split it and send the available items first.They told me i'll have to cancel my order and re order again , ordering the 7" separately if i want to receive the 12" and CD now.But of course if i do that when i come to re-ordering they'll tell me they've sold out.They really are a bit dumb aren't they.

Andy wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

AdamTate wrote:

......hands up anybody that would swop 6 remixes for 1 quality non album B-side like 1963 or Lonesome Tonight.

I couldn't've put it better myself. Well i could, but I don't like to boast. I can't be arsed with these mixes cos (a) I got storage space and cash problems, (b) my obsessive days are well and truly behind me, and (c) they'll all turn up on this rare new database called Youtube. I'm not overstruck with the mixes I've heard so far anyway - the new LP's tough and it ain't like Revenge or Republic where they needed mixing (Spooky Stadium!). It's interesting that New Order did Bsides till BM and then stopped till Technique with 2 exceptions and then - I lost interest. At that level, anyway.

Does this count as trainspotting?: Between BM and Technique, Lonesome Tonight and 1963 (2 tracks regarded as among their best b-sides) emerged. Shout out for Murder, as well.

They're the 2 I meant. Murder was actually I can't be arsed to finish this sentence. If I could go back to myelf in 1990 and explain I would still be talking about NO's 1980s back catalogue in 2016, I would be very surprised. Surprised to meet a 26-years-older version of me telling me I would still be talking about NO's 1980s back catalogue in 2016.

Fotzepolitic wrote: They really are a bit dumb aren't they.

Take the letters D U M B, mix them up, take them away and then add W A N K U Z.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Yep i have received that email too.Still not received the 12" and CD because i also ordered the 7" and they're too dumb to split it and send the available items first.They told me i'll have to cancel my order and re order again , ordering the 7" separately if i want to receive the 12" and CD now.But of course if i do that when i come to re-ordering they'll tell me they've sold out.They really are a bit dumb aren't they.

I have just signed into the store and there was a link to the download to both sides of the single

You sure? The downloads offered within the purchase are not the same versions on the actual 7", mind you.