The Worst New Order Album

normally i'd say "Republic", but it has some real gems on it, like "Special", "Chemical" (yes, this one's grooving!) and the (somehow) brilliant "Ruined in a day". "Movement" is my vote, cos' New Order are still searching for an identity...and fail.

Republic was always difficult to play in its entirety, I couldn`t get past the 4 track very often.

Yup.. I agree Republic. I really like what stephen hague's done with other new order releases but I think it was sort of him being left alone in (I think) Real world studios with far to much time, no band (!) and lots of gadgets that make it sound just totally over produced.

Regret and ruined in a day are saving graces, but spooky and the rest are like me arse!

PCL. Don't ask me why... I mean, I love it, but it just hasn't got "it"!

d'oh!

Republic sounds like New Order thru a filter, Steven Hague's filter, less real New Order personality shows thru. I've always lost interest in the middle after Ruined in a Day.

Movement is underrated, but just sounds really lackluster, compared to Closer before it and PC&L's after it. I think Martin Hannet got carried away giving it a detached, distant, funereal sound.

Originally posted by low-life Republic sounds like New Order thru a filter, Steven Hague's filter, less real New Order personality shows thru. I've always lost interest in the middle after Ruined in a Day. Movement is underrated, but just sounds really lackluster, compared to Closer before it and PC&L's after it. I think Martin Hannet got carried away giving it a detached, distant, funereal sound.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there, on both counts. Republic is someone else's take on what he thought New Order should sound like, and Movement is someone trying to balance a loss with another loss, in this case of passion. Movement has no soul, no drive, no life to it. It is grey where Closer was white and PCL colourful.

It can be great being a NewOrder fan...

just look at the way this thread is going!!

while most fans have to put up with their band releasing some absolute tripe and some real shockers which they have to painfully attempt to 'pass off', our arguments essentially boil down to either sub NewOrder standard production techniques or over production on an album!!

haha dont ya love it :D

The difference is in the quality of the producer and their relationship and understanding of New Order.

The overtly, fluffy light pop production of Republic is unforgivable and has tainted JD and NO's otherwise perfect portfolio of outstanding work. How Hague, a well renowned, competent and obviously intelligent producer(who has worked with some great and fabulous musical talents) misfired on such a monumentally massive scale is probably down to the brand of biscuit they had in the studio for him. I'm guessing they'd bought a family pack of ginger snaps, contrary to Hague's well known love of custard creams.

Either that or his ear fell of mid-way through 'World, The Price of Eggs.'

Certain synthetic sounds from 'The Republican' appear to have been taken from battery operated musical instruments found in the bargain bucket, located at the rear of 'Everything's a Pound' ... underneath the out of date gentlemen's talcum powder and last years ladies tights.

At which point did Mr. Hague remember Peter Hook was also a member of the band? - Tuesday?

Originally posted by Huntsman The difference is in the quality of the producer and their relationship and understanding of New Order.The overtly, fluffy light pop production of Republic is unforgivable and has tainted JD and NO's otherwise perfect portfolio of outstanding work. How Hague, a well renowned, competent and obviously intelligent producer(who has worked with some great and fabulous musical talents) misfired on such a monumentally massive scale is probably down to the brand of biscuit they had in the studio for him. I'm guessing they'd bought a family pack of ginger snaps, contrary to Hague's well known love of custard creams.Either that or his ear fell of mid-way through 'World, The Price of Eggs.'Certain synthetic sounds from 'The Republican' appear to have been taken from battery operated musical instruments found in the bargain bucket, located at the rear of 'Everything's a Pound' ... underneath the out of date gentlemen's talcum powder and last years ladies tights.At which point did Mr. Hague remember Peter Hook was also a member of the band? - Tuesday?

Aye but in it's defence Rawkus Shithole int on it.

Does this mean RUINED IN A DAY...cos i am having a bad one anyhow?I must have been very low in the early 90's cos i liked REPUBLIC and still do.Does this mean i am still low or are you lot just a lot higher?

Originally posted by Poll Axed Does this mean RUINED IN A DAY...cos i am having a bad one anyhow?I must have been very low in the early 90's cos i liked REPUBLIC and still do.Does this mean i am still low or are you lot just a lot higher?

I like it too. Even Regret is not really so bad.

No REGRETS about your last comment PATRICK?

Some regret about finally saying something positive about Regret.

But ultimately you feel much better for it. If you will, a very arduous trek across a mountain plane, man and sphincter muscle locked in mortal combat until the sighting of an adequately sized tree stump to crouch behind and release the tension on to an ill prepared landscape.

Stephen Hague only over produced Republic because NO let him. Clearly they couldn't be bothered to put too much input in themselves - hence writing credits for Hague for the whole album. It's a shame coz there's some good songs on there, lyrically it's a lot better than GR for instance, it's just over polished. Movement on the other hand is rubbish.

I noticed a funny detail... On "Republic" Pascal Gabriel is credited with pre-production on "Regret"... But on "International", on that same track, he is credited as co-producer! Funny how things change in 9 years!

Originally posted by Huntsman But ultimately you feel much better for it. If you will, a very arduous trek across a mountain plane, man and sphincter muscle locked in mortal combat until the sighting of an adequately sized tree stump to crouch behind and release the tension on to an ill prepared landscape.

I couldn't have said it half as well.

you guys are on crack, Movement kicks ass. Maybe you're not playing it loud enough ?

I don't really like Brotherhood. And it's still too early for me to have a real opinion about Get Ready.

Originally posted by Huntsman But ultimately you feel much better for it. If you will, a very arduous trek across a mountain plane, man and sphincter muscle locked in mortal combat until the sighting of an adequately sized tree stump to crouch behind and release the tension on to an ill prepared landscape.

as one who enjoys hiking and mountain climbing, i can verify that a strategically placed boulder is equally as useful as an adequately sized tree stump (and often the only option when one is caught with a full intestine whilst above the tree-line).

and i really like the song regret.

Originally posted by Huntsman The difference is in the quality of the producer and their relationship and understanding of New Order.The overtly, fluffy light pop production of Republic is unforgivable and has tainted JD and NO's otherwise perfect portfolio of outstanding work. How Hague, a well renowned, competent and obviously intelligent producer(who has worked with some great and fabulous musical talents) misfired on such a monumentally massive scale is probably down to the brand of biscuit they had in the studio for him. I'm guessing they'd bought a family pack of ginger snaps, contrary to Hague's well known love of custard creams.Either that or his ear fell of mid-way through 'World, The Price of Eggs.'Certain synthetic sounds from 'The Republican' appear to have been taken from battery operated musical instruments found in the bargain bucket, located at the rear of 'Everything's a Pound' ... underneath the out of date gentlemen's talcum powder and last years ladies tights.At which point did Mr. Hague remember Peter Hook was also a member of the band? - Tuesday?

yeah...sounds about right bub. well said!

Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert I don't really like Brotherhood. And it's still too early for me to have a real opinion about Get Ready.

excuse me?...don't "like" brotherhood... you're friggin crazy dude!!! brotherhood is the album i'll put up against any album by any group.