New Order: Decades documentary — Forum Archive

11 Sep 2018, 20:44

perspexorange wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: .I remember reading the report that Gillian was wearing a cape and hat for the gig and googled obsessively for images of that but only ever really found a distant , slightly blurred pic.

There's footage on youtube of the gig:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m12zCR0z

That footage of Transmission above includes shots of 'Rover' (The Village's guardian) menacingly on the beach, along with a sound clip of 'Dem Bones', which was famously used in the highly controversial last episode of the series, 'Fall Out'.

In the clip, you can see Bernard, Tom etc. were wearing the blazers, as previously mentioned. Incidentally, I've always wanted one of those blazers. You can buy them from The Prisoner shop at Portmeirion, which is actually in No. 6's fictional house in The Village (i.e. McGoohan's character's house).

You can also clearly see Gillian wearing the cape and hat favoured by the female villagers at around the 4:08 mark.

Yep think i saw that clip back then, the shots of Rover are followed by 2 guys bringing a Rover on to stage.The idea i recall reading was that they would throw the Rover into and over the crowd but the smoke machines that went off just before they did were so excessive nobody could see anything and the energetic dry ice blowers possibly prevented it from getting off the stage and it blew back to the rear of the stage lol.

Still, i got a screen grab just now of Gillian and have added it to my folder where i have the recording of the gig [:)]

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11 Sep 2018, 22:57

perspexorange wrote: You should definitely try and pay a visit. It's a very special place with a unique atmosphere. My only reservation about visiting is that it kind of kills the mystique of The Prisoner as a TV series, once you've been there - Seeing McGoohan struggling to escape from The Village, when you know that 100 yards behind him is a bus stop to Porthmadog.

Yeah, for instance, when I visited “the dome” on top of the hill that was used as the residence of No.2, the headquarter office of the village in the drama, I found it actually a tiny chamber, not a huge, cavernous hall seen on TV. Quite an anticlimactic experience that was lol.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Yep think i saw that clip back then, the shots of Rover are followed by 2 guys bringing a Rover on to stage.The idea i recall reading was that they would throw the Rover into and over the crowd but the smoke machines that went off just before they did were so excessive nobody could see anything and the energetic dry ice blowers possibly prevented it from getting off the stage and it blew back to the rear of the stage lol.

This jogged my memory, and yes, your recollection/quote is correct. The Rovers actually didn’t bounce up and down over the crowd’s heads. And probably there weren’t a number of them, just one. [rolling] And it was barely seen by us audience because of the smoke. I mixed it up with the later years at FN6 perhaps.

Some of their peculiar live presentations of recent years, e.g. Portmeirion, Jodrell Bank, Warehouse Project, Castlefield Bowl, Granada Studios — I was there at all of them.

I don’t miss the WHP gig though. [nonono]

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14 Sep 2018, 04:32

Fotzepolitic wrote: Read something about the doc will be shown this weekend at Festival no 6. 1pm til 2.10 pm on one of the days. So the doc is not much more than an hour long? Thought it’d be 1.1/2 to 2 hours but probably it’ll be 1.1/2 hours air time but 20 minutes of that will be frickin ad breaks so 70 minutes of the actual doc.

It has a two hour time slot scheduled: 9pm- 11pm, as per Sky's listing Here or Here. I guess you can't expect much longer than that (well, unless it was two hours without adverts on the BBC). You may notice that it's followed by NO live in Glasgow, 11pm to 1.15am.

I just need to figure out if any of the Kodi channel packages have Sky Arts as one of their channels. Cause I sure as hell don't have Sky Arts. Anyone here know which Kodi package may have it? I know Kodi isn't great (buffering being the subject of many a Youtube video), but sometimes the less popular channels don't buffer. If anyone has an android device (eg Samsung tablet) you can legally put Kodi (or it's "fork": SPMC) on there, courtesy of their totally legit website. It's just the free channel packages that aren't quite legal!

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14 Sep 2018, 14:03

Debaser wrote:

Fotzepolitic wrote: Read something about the doc will be shown this weekend at Festival no 6. 1pm til 2.10 pm on one of the days. So the doc is not much more than an hour long? Thought it’d be 1.1/2 to 2 hours but probably it’ll be 1.1/2 hours air time but 20 minutes of that will be frickin ad breaks so 70 minutes of the actual doc.

It has a two hour time slot scheduled: 9pm- 11pm, as per Sky's listing Here or Here. I guess you can't expect much longer than that (well, unless it was two hours without adverts on the BBC). You may notice that it's followed by NO live in Glasgow, 11pm to 1.15am.

I just need to figure out if any of the Kodi channel packages have Sky Arts as one of their channels. Cause I sure as hell don't have Sky Arts. Anyone here know which Kodi package may have it? I know Kodi isn't great (buffering being the subject of many a Youtube video), but sometimes the less popular channels don't buffer. If anyone has an android device (eg Samsung tablet) you can legally put Kodi (or it's "fork": SPMC) on there, courtesy of their totally legit website. It's just the free channel packages that aren't quite legal!

Thanks for the info.

I've vaguely heard of this Kodi thing but have't the foggiest exactly what it is, where i would get it or how to set it up.Is it some pirate box that enables you to watch any channel you want or something? It allows you to watch more television? I need to watch less television not more.

I haven't got Sky Arts on my tv package with Virgin Media so i'll just have to obtain the doc somehow at a later date after it's aired.

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14 Sep 2018, 18:27

Two hours? That's more like it! Should be good.

I have Sky Arts via Now TV's Entertainment package. If you are in the UK and don't want the commitment of Sky, this is the way to go. You can cancel and re-subscribe at any time. I think it's about £7-£8 per month.

I believe you can also get a 14-day free trial if you aren't already a member. This may be a good way for fans to watch the programme for free; subscribe for free, watch the programme, cancel the subscription. It only works if you've never had a Now TV sub before though, I think. Also, as far as I know, NowTV is UK only (isn't it?).

Failing that, I'm sure someone will be clever enough to transfer their recording to a video file that can be shared (it's beyond my technical capabilities, sadly).

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14 Sep 2018, 19:35

Yeah i was looking at the Now tv option today.They are advertising a 14 day free trial but when i click on it it keeps going to a pay £7.99 a month option.I did have a free trial last year when i wanted to watch Twin Peaks:The Return though the later episodes of the series i had to obtain from elsewhere as my free trial had expired.If i can work out how to get the page to stay on sign up for free trial i'll go with that but as i've had a subscription for a free trial before i guess that rules me out , unless i try a different email address.But i'd have to watch it on my laptop and on which i don't know how to capture video.I know how to copy video from my tv box but to watch Now TV on my tv i think i have to have a Now TV gadget.Oh it's all too complicated, i'll just wait til it's ahem, available, on peer to peer sites.

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21 Sep 2018, 15:00

Well things are looking up.I've chatted to Virgin Media today and negotiated a package upgrade for a 12 month price that is cheaper than i was paying.It goes up after 12 months but i can simply cancel at that point and go back to my old package.So, i now have extra channels including Sky Arts and faster broadband speed (well, we'll see if it actually is faster but i'm not too fussed about that) and a better deal on my line rental.So, i now have Sky Arts and will record the doc tomorrow night and copy to my laptop.That's a relief. All set now.

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21 Sep 2018, 15:30

Great! Looking forward to seeing it myself.

I will be out tomorrow night but will watch first thing on Sunday morning via catch up.

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21 Sep 2018, 23:10

The programme immediately before Decades is also a NO thing. I didn't spot that before. Just thought I'd mention it...

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21 Sep 2018, 23:20

Debaser wrote: The programme immediately before Decades is also a NO thing. I didn't spot that before. Just thought I'd mention it...

Discovering New Order.Yeah it was originally shown in July 2015.Watched and recorded it at the time.Basically the story we all know and talking heads giving their twopenny's worth on the band and history though most of them weren't that familiar , to me at least.One was the guy i think who hosted the Sky Arts live acoustic thing Bad Lieutenant did back in 2009, one was a 6Music presenter (or former presenter) i didn't recognise and one was an Absolute Radio DJ (though don't let that put you off) and maybe one or two others.It's alright, nowt special.Think it was just knocked together pre Music Complete and the start of the build up to the release of that album.

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21 Sep 2018, 23:46

Hmm... just checked to see if Virgin Media have activated my new tv package including Sky Arts.They have and Sky Arts is on there but not Sky Arts HD. To get it in HD it seems requires a more expensive package. Bit disappointed at that but I’ll just have to settle for the non HD version, better than nothing.

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22 Sep 2018, 20:17

"charge up all the laptop batteries, get rid of all the porn" - Steve's thoughts on preparation for the MIF gig. Am watching in low quality via Modbro/Kodi. Not buffering much at the moment, but that could be subject to change...

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22 Sep 2018, 20:49

Watching on Sky Arts. Great doc so far. Annoying I’m unable to watch it in HD though. Copying it to laptop as it plays.

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22 Sep 2018, 21:47

Bloody hell, that was fantastic!!

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22 Sep 2018, 21:58

Life affirming.A triumph. Decades ( the song) at the end was incredible. Immense.

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23 Sep 2018, 11:27 · edited 23 Sep 2018, 11:34

Just finished watching it.

Absolutely wonderful. One of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. A worthy tribute to an incredible band and the difficult project that was undertaken.

Just a few notes that came to mind whilst watching the documentary:

***Was trying to post various comments, but the board keeps rejecting it as SPAM. I tried splitting things down into bite-size chunks, but no good. so I guess I can't comment on this great documentary.***

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23 Sep 2018, 11:30 · edited 23 Sep 2018, 11:41

***Ignore. See above.***

Mods - Is there any way to fix this SPAM thing? I've fallen foul of it a few times. It's just annoying that, after such a good, high-profile documentary, it's not been easy to discuss it. There was nothing in the text I was trying to post (no embedded links etc.). It was just plain text. I tried to change the formatting a few times, but to no avail.

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23 Sep 2018, 12:37

Initially, I had given up locating a way to watch as I refuse to pay for Sky however my missus has 'Now TV' included with her phone contract and so in the end I was able to log in and stream it on my PC. I cannot believe for a paid subscription service that Sky still rams adverts down your throat. Mind you, without the football nobody would go near them.

Anyway, it was worth the effort.

The documentary - as others have noted - is fantastic and a must-see for fans. I hope they release it properly in some form or if not at least put out a live album celebrating the project with a composite of the best tracks from each of the nights. I assume it was all recorded. The 'new' intro to Your Silent Face sounds incredible and I remember it distinctly from the two shows I attended in Manc & Vienna. Not to mention the 'finished' outro on Vanishing Point. It would be really nice to be able to listen to all that again. Perhaps it could be a crowd-funded Pledge Music exercise as they did with NOMC15 a while ago? I'm sure lots of people would dip their hands in their pocket and cough up.

The students performing a ukulele version of 'Decades' towards the end was an unexpected highlight. Talented people.

Even Hook's historical bass contributions received a compliment by Bernard. He didn't name him but was mentioned as the 'previous bass' [:p]

The split was not covered at all (probably wise).

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23 Sep 2018, 13:46

Fotzepolitic wrote: Sorry to hear about the spam issue, perspexorange.Must be incredibly frustrating.

Yep - it's immensely annoying. Have tried everything to get my message posted. All to no avail. Even tried logging out but, weirdly, the forum won't even let me do this.

Fotzepolitic wrote: Earlier today i made a copy of the doc with the ad breaks edited out.A difficult and often maddening task as i'm not that familiar with Windows Movie Maker.But it was a success in the end.

Thanks for doing this Fotz. I'm sure our friends overseas will appreciate it. I'll snag a copy for myself too. Here's hoping the band release the documentary on Blu-Ray, so that everyone will be able to buy it.

Here's also hoping that this message isn't blocked. I'm beginning to think that this forum has grudge against me. [;)]

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23 Sep 2018, 13:48

Yay! It worked.

Just as an aside, if anyone is watching the documentary through NowTV on catch-up, the ads are thankfully removed from it (although you can see where they should fit, as there are 'New Order: Decades' graphics that appear every 15 mins or so).

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23 Sep 2018, 14:18

I can only echo what others have said a brilliant documentary. Let’s hope that the band now force themselves back in the studio next year for at least an ep of tracks for late in 2019? Nice to hear Barney praise Hooky.

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23 Sep 2018, 18:21

perspexorange wrote: I'm sure our friends overseas will appreciate it.

... this friend from overseas will definitely appreciate it! [:)]

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23 Sep 2018, 19:24

Brilliant how it starts with tentative beginning with the intro to Elegia.You just know from there it's going to be an amazing film.Some great humour from Steve and Bernard, mind boggling explanations of how the shows were all put together that even stretched technological wizard Steve to the point of almost "biting off more than he can chew", the songs shown were captured fantastically with a real catchy energy coming from the students playing behind the slats, great shots of Bernard exploring Vienna.... i could go on.I just can't get my head round how complicated and difficult it must have been to put the shows together. The film really gathers momentum in the final stretch, culminating at the end with the performance of Decades in Vienna.Just wow.

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23 Sep 2018, 22:02

Just watched on catchup. Really good insight into how it was all put together with some nice dry humour from Bernard & Steve.

I'm sure one person may be sitting silently fuming although they did get some screen time and a mention.

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24 Sep 2018, 13:29

Fantastic. Utterly fantastic.

Nice to see so many of the RNCM students getting a bit of time in front of the camera too - can you just imagine signing up for this with an 'unspecified major band' and walking into the room and seeing the human drum machine sat there like that? (And nice to put a face to the lively silhouette that was No.12.)

Finishing on Decades and the outro to Vanishing Point over the end credits - jebus that was good.

The gigs' recordings must be put together and released. Take my money.

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