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50 Pound Note wrote: I'd love to see this before heading to Long Beach to see NO on Saturday night. Can anyone in the UK share? Pretty please??
- Jeb
Did you find it on a torrent site or receive it from a member? I've been searching in vain.
See in you in Long Beach!
50 Pound Note wrote: That is an absolutely wonderful doc! It almost makes up for how ridiculous the narration in New Order Story is.
I'd love to see a box set with CD, LP, and a DVD containing a full live performance, along with the documentary. TAKE MY MONEY.
May I ask how you were able to finally watch the documentary? I'm still searching in vain, and I'd love to see it too before the upcoming gig. Thank you.
If a UK member could share the documentary with me, it would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
Absolutely wonderful. One of the best music documentaries I've ever seen. A worthy tribute to an incredible band and the difficult project that was undertaken.
Just a few notes that came to mind whilst watching the documentary:
Wonderful to see Disorder played in the studio, however short this clip was.
I wonder why the archive footage (Granada Reports, The Perfect Kiss video, Blue Monday 1988 video etc.) was so poor. Surely they could've sourced higher quality clips? The Shadowplay footage was in a terrible state, quality-wise. It looked like it had been taken off the 'Substance 1977-1988' promo video that's been bootlegged numerous times.
Nice to see Bernard with a Gibson Les Paul Special 'Double-Cut' in the studio, as well as his usual SG. I don't think I've seen him play one since about 1982.
The interviews / footage with the students were great. Really interesting to see the process for the project and also to see how this band are still affecting young people today.
Steve being Steve. What a joy the guy is. Charming, witty and wonderful to hear him talk about the project. I seriously can't wait to read his book. Hopefully it doesn't get delayed any further.
Bernard being thoughtful enough to mention other people's significant contribution to the band - Tom coming into his own on Music Complete, most of the hard-work of the project being done by Steve etc. Hooky has portrayed Barney as a bit of a prima donna / glory-hunter in his books. To me, he never comes across as such in interviews; always willing to give credit to the other members of the band. Which brings me nicely onto -
Hooky's presence, or lack there of. As the documentary was on the 'So It Goes' gigs, it was relatively easy to side-step the Viking elephant in the room. However, it was very nice to hear Sumner's (genuine) praise for the 'previous Bass'. 'Great', according to Sumner. Yes, it was. Truly.
Although the choice of tracks played was great, I'd have loved to hear some of the more guitary ones (Dream Attack etc.). Also, Barney needs a guitar hung around his neck. If only to stop him doing that 'Jamiroquai dance thing' he seems to have introduced into his performances. ![[;)]](/emoticons/wink.gif){kind=small}
Barney's vocals sounded pretty great throughout.
'Decades' (the song) was awesome. A truly memorable way to end both the gigs and the documentary.
Anyway, those were some of my thoughts. I may post others once I've had time to digest.
A magnificent documentary and one that I'm hoping gets an official Blu-Ray release. It needs to be properly preserved. With any luck, if they do release it, they'll include either an extended cut and/or the full gig as an extra. Fingers crossed.
Wow - finally managed to post my thoughts on the documentary without it being rejected as Spam.
It seems it didn't like me abbreviating The Perfect Kiss or Blue Monday 1988. Once I got rid of the abbreviations, the post went through fine. Maybe the board looks for words that aren't English and rejects the whole post as Spam.
Andy wrote: Did you find it on a torrent site or receive it from a member? I've been searching in vain.
See in you in Long Beach!
I'm drawing blanks too, and I live in the UK! If anyone is feeling generous enough to share a PM I'd much appreciate it. If it isn't already in torrent form then one of my first duties would be to make that come to pass.
And since I don't like to post pure begging posts, I'd better write something else:
I'm really really pleased that both the band and Sky Arts (and everyone else involved) felt this whole project was worth doing in the first place, but also worth revisiting and documenting as they have done. It's been a bit quiet since Music Complete (which was really solid IMHO) in other respects, and with ShadowParty appearing I started to wonder again if NO was sliding into hiatus.
Edit: kindly supplied with an SD copy, thanks anonymous benefactor! :) I'm still on the hunt for an HD copy. Going to ask my 'rents to record the HD repeat tonight, and if they do, I will see if I can extract a copy from them.
Really hope the set gets an audio release. I was not really all that impressed hearing a few tracks on YouTube etc after the shows but after watching and hearing this, wow...KW1 and Decades just glisten don't they?
I'd also love and much appreciate a link to this --- been checking torrents etc and no dice
Thanks!
“People were always complaining about the amount of synths we used”
Erm, who ever complained about the amount of synths? Don’t recall that. Odd thing to say.
“I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “
But you love talking fiction, Peter.
Fotzepolitic wrote: Someone’s bitter and jealous
“People were always complaining about the amount of synths we used”
Erm, who ever complained about the amount of synths? Don’t recall that. Odd thing to say.
“I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “
But you love talking fiction, Peter.
The only person I ever recall complaining about the amount of synths used was Hook himself. I don't remember any fans EVER saying that in the 30+ years that I've been following the band.
If we New Order fans didn't want synths, we'd be listening to The Smiths or The Stones Roses or something. Not sitting around complaining about how a band famed for their innovative use of synths were using too many of them.
I also don't know how he can judge it's fiction without seeing it (if you can believe that he didn't sneak a peek at the documentary, that is!).
If he had've watched it, he would've seen that it was an honest documentary that didn't focus too much on the past (as that wasn't what the doc was about).
He would've also seen that, on one of the rare occasions when it did revisit the past, his oldest friend say that the 'previous bass' was 'great!'. A comment that he really didn't have to say and, given the amount of horrible comments made towards him and Gillian, was surprising (but pleasant) to hear Barney come out with. I'm guessing that Hooky wouldn't class that comment as 'fiction'. If he'd heard it, I mean.
He does come across as a rather bitter man at times. I was thinking recently that, since the court case, he seems to have mellowed a bit, but this article shows that he still has a grudge.
I'm not sure why he can't just focus on his tour. I guess it's partly the fault of the NME asking him such a loaded question (looking for soundbites etc.). However, the gentlemanly thing to do would be to say something along the lines of:
'I haven't seen it. Was it any good?' if he wanted to be a bit obtuse and non-committal; or even 'I wish the rest of the band the best of luck for the future' if he wanted to come across as the bigger man and someone who had moved on.
I guess he's happy for us all to know just how much it pisses him off that New Order are doing very well without him and also trying to do new things (a 'return to form' LP and the magnificent 'So It Goes' gigs). Personally, if it was me, I wouldn't want the others to know how much it still hurts.
Reading the above back to me, I sound like I have a downer on Hooky. I really don't. I love his work with JD/NO and fully appreciate his ample contribution to both bands. I hope his tour is a success. I won't be going myself, but will be checking out the tour by buying on PledgeMusic. Also, if he decides to write some new songs, I will certainly buy them and give them a good listen.
Fotzepolitic wrote: Someone’s bitter and jealous “I’m not a big fan of fiction,me “
On the one hand, I'm not reallly surprised.
On the other hand:
Looking forward to that fiction novel he said he had an idea for, a while back.
afr0puff wrote: 1GB Download
This is great quality. Thanks for the upload.
Not wishing to sound critical or anything, but the sound looks slightly out of sync. Check Steve saying about how much he likes being in bed at around the 10:20 mark.
Is anybody able to sync things up so that picture and sound match, then re-upload?
^ Ok, the quality of this upload/download is very good. But be careful on this DL link folks; it's one of the trickier ones I've encountered. If your internet browser says the DL may be suspicious, you've hit the wrong DL "button" - abort!. You may have to close multiple popups. Make sure your virus protect/security is on, though you may have to switch ad-blocker off.
OK, well i didn't post my Decades download link on here previously because i just assumed it would get taken down or the site would get hassle from Sky and/or New Order's record company but i have shared it by PM to everyone on this thread who's asked after a download.Surprised that YouTube upload i did hasn't been removed by WMG or whoever it is that always removes stuff.
Had an idea today to download my YouTube upload of Decades using 4K VideoDownloader with the hope that i would end up with the file in a much smaller and manageable size.And it was a success.I now have the doc in a 1GB file.My original MPEG2 capture to my laptop from my tv box ended up with the file being a massive 5GB.Don't know why it ended up like that.So anyway, i have now uploaded the much smaller 1GB version to MediaFire.If you haven't already seen the doc or downloaded the original 5GB file try this.Or if you've already downloaded the 5GB version but would like it in just 1GB try the link.As i've said in the PMs to people i've shared the 5GB to, the picture quality isn't the best as i was unable to record it in HD.It's in standard definition but it's pretty good.
Fotzepolitic wrote: As i've said in the PMs to people i've shared the 5GB to, the picture quality isn't the best as i was unable to record it in HD.It's in standard definition but it's pretty good.
Really, really appreciate your work on this!
I also captured the audios of the 5 songs aired in Decades.Created a kind of mini album.One or two i didn't quite get how i wanted, for example at the end of Plastic there's audible bit of Bernard talking in the doc after the song finishes and a microsecond is missing from the start of Your Silent Face.But they're good to transfer to your phone or whatever and listen on the go.I uploaded the zip to MediaFire
I was glad to hear the history over again. Saville looks like he wants to create another cover and some singles covers,so they need to get crackin' on the next releases. The show is good , but I prefer the current shows with more magnificent ,or superlative visuals. A cd of all the songs is needed, 5 is not enough. Bernard is not yet hefty, but he is occssionally chubby enough to try yoga, stretching, and switching from desserts to fruit .He could do cartwheels and breakdancing if he had a trainer Bernard's voice would be a great replacement for Attenborough in future BBC documentaries explaining about animals ,making funny quips. New order are so adult like, what if they had put out heavy metal music for teens and 40 years later still putting out heavy metal for teens,it would be sad , unless they kept the TBTHOG look Thank God NO was not a band with makeup and silly costumes
Now that you've changed your forum avatar Fotzepolitic, it seems an appropriate time to ask, what was the previous one?
Fotzepolitic wrote: OK, well i didn't post my Decades download link on here previously because i just assumed it would get taken down or the site would get hassle from Sky and/or New Order's record company but i have shared it by PM to everyone on this thread who's asked after a download.Surprised that YouTube upload i did hasn't been removed by WMG or whoever it is that always removes stuff.
Had an idea today to download my YouTube upload of Decades using 4K VideoDownloader with the hope that i would end up with the file in a much smaller and manageable size.And it was a success.I now have the doc in a 1GB file.My original MPEG2 capture to my laptop from my tv box ended up with the file being a massive 5GB.Don't know why it ended up like that.So anyway, i have now uploaded the much smaller 1GB version to MediaFire.If you haven't already seen the doc or downloaded the original 5GB file try this.Or if you've already downloaded the 5GB version but would like it in just 1GB try the link.As i've said in the PMs to people i've shared the 5GB to, the picture quality isn't the best as i was unable to record it in HD.It's in standard definition but it's pretty good.
Nice one - appreciate the effort mate ![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
Jonathan wrote: Now that you've changed your forum avatar Fotzepolitic, it seems an appropriate time to ask, what was the previous one?
Previous one was a screengrab/still from the Restless video.
Sky have now had the Decades film blocked from YouTube.Surprised they didn’t block it immediately, it was up for 4 days. Ah well, for those that missed it there’s always the download link.
- I wonder why the archive footage (Granada Reports, The Perfect Kiss video, Blue Monday 1988 video etc.) was so poor. Surely they could've sourced higher quality clips? The Shadowplay footage was in a terrible state, quality-wise. It looked like it had been taken off the 'Substance 1977-1988' promo video that's been bootlegged numerous times.
The Granada footage was blown up and cropped to 16:9, it was originally 4:3. That will reduce the quality somewhat.
found a better source but still SD. Shame the thing is shot in hipstervision aka horrible low contrast because dats cool wiv da kids now. Buy a great lens and wreck the picture in post for internet points.
peter saville is excellent value as always. he should do an autobiography and read it for audible.
and great the see the youngsters in this. if you're reading this i love you all!
Michael Monkhouse wrote: Thanks, but don't make jokes about Melanie C. 'This is a band that rarely looks backwards.' This one always cracks me up.
First single JD covers 7", 12", rereleased 12", Record Day JD versions rerelease Still Rereleased JD first Peel Session 12" 1, Peel session 12" 2, Peel Sessions LP, rereleased LP in new cover, included in Complete BBC Sessions Substance 87 Atmosphere 88, Substance 88; Blue Monday 88 London reissues 93; 'NOStory' DVD, Radio 1 and MTV retros; London remix Spooky when the band aren't even talking to each other True Faith-94, Best Of 1963-95, Blue Monday-95, Rest Of, Love Will Tear Us Apart-95, Permanent Everything's Gone Green Advent Video 586 Heart and Soul Remastered Preston live, Bains Douches live, Fractured Box (Preston live and Bains Douches live), Re Fractured Box (including Preston live, Les Bains Douches live so Fractured Box) International, Retro 12" x 12" Best remixes (didital) Singles 2005, Singles 2016 Best of Electronic JD CD remasters; JD DVD interviews The Best Of JD 2008 2009 fucked up NO remasters, 'corrected' remasters, remastered again in 2015 Total
- / - JD CD remasters remastered for vinyl LTM resissue Revenge and both Other Two LPs (all three crap in the first place) Current projects, three years on from last 'un: revisiting a JD track, and possibly a fourth box set
How do they do it? What's their secret? I guess we'll never know.
I can't find the original thread for Total. Was it on this version of the forum? Anyway, just for Mr MM, some news about TOTAL on vinyl:
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An odd thing to release, IMHO.
I don't really understand this vinyl revival* thing. You would think that people collecting vinyl these days are generally buying classic 'studio' LPs and wouldn't really be interested in getting a 'best of' compilation. Especially when this particular one was basically just a shameless 'cash-in', when there had been other (better) compilations released by the band. If they were releasing 'Substance 1987', I could totally see people wanting to buy it on vinyl (if they collect vinyl*). But 'Total'? Seems very odd.
* My theory (such as it is) of why vinyl is popular comes down to record labels trying desperately to think of ways to get people of my age-bracket (35-60 year olds), who have the most disposable income, to buy the same album over and over again. They know that people like me have probably:
They therefore have to think of further clever ways (see above examples) to get us to keep buying the same old stuff, from now until the day we die.
So, hey presto, they start telling the world (rightly or wrongly) that vinyl (with all it's pops and crackles and hissing through the stylus) sounds 'warmer' and 'better' and just how John, Paul, George and Ringo would've heard it in Abbey Road, or whatever. So we all go 'mmm - vinyl! Must. Buy. 'Technique'. For. 5th. Time!'.
Now, I'm not saying that 'vinyl' is a con. It is what it is; a viable format for releasing music on. If you think it sounds better than digital media, no amount of persuasion is going to convince you otherwise (and vice versa). No - I like vinyl. Not enough to buy another turntable to replace the one that died on me in the mid-90s, but still.
However, the whole 'getting punters to buy vinyl again' smacks of a gimmick just to sell us the same LPs once again.
Rant over. You'd think I'd feel better about it now. I don't.
