The problem with Movement was Hannett’s involvement. He did incredible work on JD’s albums and later on with stuff like the Monday’s Bummed but Movement suffers from his production. Listen to the Movement tracks live on Taras Shevchenko or the Peel Session- fantastic.
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Movement - The Definitive Edition
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Yep. I’ve always thought that the production seems a little ‘dull’, for want of a better word. ‘Dull’ as in ‘not bright’, rather than boring. But the songs are great. And I still like the LP versions, but agree that the Peel / Live versions are better.
Debaser wrote:
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Like, a wannnabe? The Peel and gig versions show it could've been better with less lavish production (like Republic). Still hard to enjoy though. There's the odd gem to uncover (http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=22401#post22401) but yeah, feels like I've been here before.
This is really exciting news - I'm wildly curious to hear the Movement demo - when you listen to the live performances of that time the songs sound more urgent and with synths and bass lines I never noticed on the album and singles of that period. Also, as a former long time resident of Hoboken (aka, the 6th borough), the 9/21/80 Maxwell's performance really was their first NYC gig :)
IIRC correctly, their gear was stolen between the two NY gigs, with the Hurrah's gig being the first gig after they hired new equipment (with Hooky have to relearn his 6-string parts on a 4-string).
I was hoping for an announcement today, but no luck so far.
Been thinking about the 'Celebration' and 'Riverside' material that we know is going to be on there. There's always a chance that the video material may contain some of the tracks from those two sessions that weren't broadcast. They played two sets during the 'Celebration' session of 10 and 8 songs respectively, but Granada only broadcast 6 songs. Also, they played 7 songs during the 'Riverside' session, but the BBC only broadcast 2 songs.
Always a possibility we may get to see some of the other tracks.
Johnny James wrote:
I think the press goes out tomorrow so full tracklists will be known.
To clarify the discs though, it's (remastered) Movement on vinyl & CD, an extras CD with all the rare audio on, and a DVD (which runs to nearly three hours).
All live material is video.
Well tomorrow is now today. Is there a press pack online or something?
Debaser wrote:
Johnny James wrote:
I think the press goes out tomorrow so full tracklists will be known.
To clarify the discs though, it's (remastered) Movement on vinyl & CD, an extras CD with all the rare audio on, and a DVD (which runs to nearly three hours).
All live material is video.
Well tomorrow is now today. Is there a press pack online or something?
It hasn't happened yet. I know an announcement is imminent, maybe later in the week?
Talking of unbroadcast tracks from 'Celebration', I've only just noticed that the version of 'Chosen Time' included on the 'Glasgow' DVD is a completely different take (Take #1) than the one that was broadcast on the TV programme (Take #2).
Note the slight changes in lyrics in at least one place for start:
'Believe that all this distance keeps me alone' (take #1) (Glasgow DVD version) 'Believe that all this distance keeps me awake' (take #2) (broadcast version, Granada TV)
(Sorry - I'm in trainspotter territory, I know)
'Ceremony' and 'ICB' are the same versions on the DVD as was broadcast, I think (although there were definitely two takes of 'Ceremony' recorded at the session).
So, there you go. I've had an unbroadcast version of one of the tracks from that session for 10 years and never noticed. I'll go back to sleep now.
perspexorange wrote: Talking of unbroadcast tracks from 'Celebration', I've only just noticed that the version of 'Chosen Time' included on the 'Glasgow' DVD is a completely different take (Take #1) than the one that was broadcast on the TV programme (Take #2).
Note the slight changes in lyrics in at least one place for start:
'Believe that all this distance keeps me alone' (take #1) (Glasgow DVD version) 'Believe that all this distance keeps me awake' (take #2) (broadcast version, Granada TV)
(Sorry - I'm in trainspotter territory, I know)
'Ceremony' and 'ICB' are the same versions on the DVD as was broadcast, I think (although there were definitely two takes of 'Ceremony' recorded at the session).
So, there you go. I've had an unbroadcast version of one of the tracks from that session for 10 years and never noticed. I'll go back to sleep now.
You're right about Chosen Time. Also, Ceremony and ICB are the original live sound. The broadcast versions had overdubs done to them a few days later.
Cheers Johnny.
Is there a good example where I can hear the overdubs / differences on one of these tracks? My old ears have difficulty picking out things like this.
perspexorange wrote: Cheers Johnny.
Is there a good example where I can hear the overdubs / differences on one of these tracks? My old ears have difficulty picking out things like this.
Compare the first notes Bernard plays on Ceremony for a start, and the overall instrument mix.
Years ago I was chucking out my old Smash Tits and came across a review of Movement by Neil Tennant (yes). Unlike most listeners, he praised it for NOT relying on the past and awarded a generous 8 / 10. The only quibble was the vocal - 'more passion, please' - cool, given what he'd do to Always On My Mind. There was also an interview with Gillian after Temptation. Next ish 'A Dead Soul' wrote in to complain 'How could you write New Order on the cover and have photos of the whole band when you were just talking to Gillian?' Ed's response: 'Oh. So interviews are all MEN'S work, are they?' I don't think that was Mr Soul's point.
On New Orders Instagram today (but not on tehir website yet, for some uknown reason):
neworderofficial🔷 New Order are proud to announce the Movement 'Definitive Edition', a boxed set release of their debut album 🔷
Coming 5th April 2019. Link in bio to pre-order. The set features the original audio on vinyl and CD, unreleased tracks and demos, footage of live shows and TV appearances of the time and a hard backed book. #Movement
glad to see some interest in this.
only thing i wonder about is the cost. but in the end it won't matter. will get it anyways.
later -1
120 notes ouch... worth it 4 dvd alone! hope the other box sets follow with similar attention to live video performances
This is great news although not for my bank account. I would like to see whats actually on it though and I'm assuming these will be the Frank Arkwright remasters from 2015. Does seem a bit pricey but obviously i have to have it whatever!
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Initial comments/observations:
Tracklist for Ceremony 12"s make reference to "Version 1" and "Version 2" of 'Ceremony' but not for 'In A Lonely Place'. There are two, subtly different versions of this B-side on both releases (more synthesised thunder clap effects on the second version). Wonder if this is an oversight, or will one version erroneously appear on both twelve inches?
Nice to see no tracks repeated from the 'Collectors Edition' bonus discs (although an annoyance for those that don't have them or didn't get their faulty versions replaced with the corrected ones). Would have been ludicrous to sell them to us die hard fans once again, and the two bonus discs from both releases will combine to make a nice three disc set of all related tracks from that period.
Wonder if 'Temptation (Alternate 7") is the edited 7 inch version from the 'Something Wild' soundtrack or another take?
Digital lossless or mp3 downloads of the audio from the DVD tracks would be a great addition to this set (hint hint), as I doubt I'll watch the DVD that many times but would like to listen to it on the move without all the hassle of ripping the audio from the DVD.
Ridiculous price (£120). I don't need the 4 x 12" inch singles so will forgo the "bundle" for the extra tenner. Not too bothered about owning the vinyl LP or remastered CD of the original album either. So I resent having to pay £120 for 1 bonus CD, 1 DVD and a book. How about releasing a cheaper set with just the 2 CDs, 1 DVD and the content of the book in the cover booklet? Or digital versions online where I can just download the tracks that interest me?
I'm hoping there will be some form of cheaper way to get hold of the new content without having to fork out so much...
Apologies if this has been posted but track list on Amazon here: Movement (Definitive Edition) [VINYL] https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07LGS5TVR/ref=cm\_sw\_r\_cp\_api\_i\_nyMgCb7HJ7R2F
Mr Discography wrote:
Nice to see no tracks repeated from the 'Collectors Edition' bonus discs (although an annoyance for those that don't have them or didn't get their faulty versions replaced with the corrected ones). Would have been ludicrous to sell them to us die hard fans once again, and the two bonus discs from both releases will combine to make a nice three disc set of all related tracks from that period.
Oh yeah so we don't get the 12" single versions of EGG and Temptation etc. I'm surprised actually.
Mr Discography wrote:
- Ridiculous price (£120).
Yep.
Mr Discography wrote:
I'm hoping there will be some form of cheaper way to get hold of the new content
Bet there isn't, until it ends up online not-quite-legally.
I’m wondering now how many fuck ups will occur during this campaign? Imagine if they managed it flawlessly?! I can’t see myself buying all the 12”s again, be interesting to see how they compare though and how far up to?
It would be nice if they could fit a track or 2 from Movement at their upcoming shows to promote it but everyone knows how Bernard feels about singing on Movement.
Definitely think "In a Lonely Place" could replace "Decades" since they have already 3 JD songs in the mix. I think "Everything's Gone Green" or "The Him" would fit well too.
Mr Discography wrote: Initial comments/observations:
- Tracklist for Ceremony 12"s make reference to "Version 1" and "Version 2" of 'Ceremony' but not for 'In A Lonely Place'. There are two, subtly different versions of this B-side on both releases (more synthesised thunder clap effects on the second version). Wonder if this is an oversight, or will one version erroneously appear on both twelve inches?
When we were putting Recycle together we did a lot of A/B comparison, and discovered that the alternate version didn't actually surface until CD2 of Substance in 1987. Hopefully, if they continue with these sets, Substance will get a box.
Fotzepolitic wrote: Very minimal cover for the box.Not a font i don't think i've seen New Order use before.
Reminds me of the special boxed cassette editions released through Woolworths in 1986.
Hmm... where to start? Well to start i won't be putting an order in this side of christmas.
Amazon appear to be advertising the non bundle edition at a little cheaper than the New Order store.They have it at £109. .Though i'm starting to dislike Amazon when i read about their treatment of workers.
Some interesting stuff on the DVD- Amongst others all the songs from BBC Riverside 1982 ,NY Peppermint Lounge 1981 and footage from various gigs in 1981-1982 including Newcastle, Paris, Manchester, Minneapolis, Toronto and Norwich.Think the DVD disc will be of most interest to me.There's a fair bit there i've never seen.
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50poundnote wrote:
Fotzepolitic wrote: Very minimal cover for the box.Not a font i don't think i've seen New Order use before.
Reminds me of the special boxed cassette editions released through Woolworths in 1986.
In NewOrder store, the photo of the box appears to show the print is quite nicely embossed (if you click the enlarge photo option on the page at NewOrder store)
I’ve justified it by the good wife buying it for my birthday, and then they go and charge you £11 postage!!!.. The amount I’ve spent on new order these last 30 years does not bear thinking about.....but the pleasure though, the pleasure they bring![[:)]](/emoticons/smile.gif){kind=small}
