The only live set I bothered with was MILF cos they were actually digging out oldies and doing them justice. 23 years after the TF Perfecto mash-up first emerged, the novelty is wearing off.

Not bothered about the T-shirt or a print or badges so I’ll go for the £120 box with 2CD, Blu-ray disc, x3 LP and book.

Ordered the super extra large mega edition, which runs nearly $270 US dollars. Eh, it's not like I'm going to concerts or anything right now.

Fotz wrote: Well I haven’t got, and never got round to buying, a Blu-ray player.Could use it as an excuse to finally get one I suppose. We’ll see.

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

F&ck me, they're milking it. Not that it's a suprise. I was one of the first on the forum to say they filmed it and would release it.

Tickets sold for the gig: 10,000. Price £50 each. So £500k grossed for the night. Now buy the gig on every possible format (except DVD) for loads more ££. Want a Tee and a badge too? Course you do, you hardcore NO suckers! We know what you like!!

The artwork looks kinda similar to NO 316 (Taras '81/Reading '98), no?

Oops, I've forgotten to log in as Michael again!

The Shadow wrote:

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

I'm not trying to be contentious here, but DVD is pretty much a dead format. As I said before, it's fine for low-def stuff, but it kind of seems pointless to release something like this concert on media that doesn't show off the high picture quality.

Blu-Ray has been about for 15 years now, with cheap players being available for the last decade or so. Before that, you could mitigate some of the cost by combining it with a games console (like I did with my PS3).

You have to ask yourself, how long does a company need to support media types for?

You could argue that they could put a cassette in the box quite cheaply too. I know I'm probably being a bit silly here, but it's kind of the same thing. DVD is an old format (25+ years) which doesn't support Hi-Def video. Most people (I would guess) would have at least an HDTV these days, so would probably want something that would look good on their screens.

If you think about it, it's up to companies (along with developers) to push new formats and move the tech forward. If they didn't do that, we'd all be stuck with the same low-def formats.

All that being said, I'm not really sure Blu-Ray sales are that great either. Physical media is pretty much considered 'old hat', with most people (apart from us 'oldies') wanting to stream stuff. (Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Is that right? Millenials, eh?

I need to get with the times!

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

(Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Yes, and they say “vinyls”, not “vinyl”.

Is that right? Millenials, eh?

I need to get with the times!

And of course, if I tried to correct a Millenial by explaining that the plural for vinyl is vinyl, they’d whip their phone out and start recording, yelling at me “ You’re a liar, you lie, you’re a liar, you lie about the vinyls innit” and then post the video on TikTok 😄

as nice as this is, i will wait.

i still don't have any of the other ones either yet.

to get list

troxy bestival nomc15 live in detroit

i'm fine with blurays, even though they're a dying format nowadays, as everything is going digital.

no dvd, eh, that formats still kicking, even if for awhile.

later -1

Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

is it?

i don't know, it said from japan. maybe it is.

i don't keep track of what is and what isn't lately, i bought a dvd video of new order live from brazil, and it seemed official enough.

as long as the sound/video quality is good, i don't really care.

later -1

Well as I've said, no one forces you to buy anything you don't ''need''. Being a completist became pointless with London and beyond pointless with YouTube, and personally I can't be bothered with yet another formula gig, but whatever floats your proverbial boat. I remember when the Beatles Antology 1 came out, It was massacred, but for a nerd like moi it was awesome to get all those rarities in listenable format, and if you're not that into them, stick with one of the very good compilations like One or 62-66/67-70.

negative1 wrote:

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in Detroit is a bootleg, no?

is it?

i don't know, it said from japan. maybe it is.

i don't keep track of what is and what isn't lately, i bought a dvd video of new order live from brazil, and it seemed official enough.

I've got both Detroit '89 and Belgium '85 from Amazon JP. They might be soundboard recordings -- the Belgium one seems to be a good rip from the recently remastered video -- and their overall quality is very close to previous bootlegs. And I know for experience that Amazon has sold bootlegs before

Your brazilian DVD is probably Lollapalloza São Paulo 2014, which got broadcasted at the time. As usual with NewOrder, the TV channel messed up with the band mixing a little bit. I personally prefer my own recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhZrnxtkhys

perspexorange wrote:

The Shadow wrote:

I haven’t got one either only DVD player, for the price they are charging could have thrown a dvd in as well!

I'm not trying to be contentious here, but DVD is pretty much a dead format. As I said before, it's fine for low-def stuff, but it kind of seems pointless to release something like this concert on media that doesn't show off the high picture quality.

Blu-Ray has been about for 15 years now, with cheap players being available for the last decade or so. Before that, you could mitigate some of the cost by combining it with a games console (like I did with my PS3).

You have to ask yourself, how long does a company need to support media types for?

You could argue that they could put a cassette in the box quite cheaply too. I know I'm probably being a bit silly here, but it's kind of the same thing. DVD is an old format (25+ years) which doesn't support Hi-Def video. Most people (I would guess) would have at least an HDTV these days, so would probably want something that would look good on their screens.

If you think about it, it's up to companies (along with developers) to push new formats and move the tech forward. If they didn't do that, we'd all be stuck with the same low-def formats.

All that being said, I'm not really sure Blu-Ray sales are that great either. Physical media is pretty much considered 'old hat', with most people (apart from us 'oldies') wanting to stream stuff. (Although, vinyl seems to be pretty popular amongst younger people these days).

Not contentious at all, I agree with you for the most part. I think vinyl outsold cd’s last year but plenty of people don’t own a turntable so lack of any cd’s in this i package may not be wise, same with dvd. I suppose blue rays were only bought by people really into films so I think lots of people have only dvd and not blue ray as these were dying even when first release. I don’t like owning things without being able to play them so I will eventually now buy a blue ray in particular as they also play the dvd format.

I agree that new order are really milking it with this release. However it looks a beautiful package and New Order is one band I do collect so still spent on the deluxe. ( n9t bothered about art print and badges so gave that a miss). I know I don’t have to buy it but it’s hard to refuse when you collect! I also attended this gig so adds a bit if extra significance and it was a really great gig.

Didn’t I read somewhere there is one other track left over from MC so hopefully this will get the same treatment as be a rebel and get released this year to have something new to look forward to.

I bought a bootleg of an 89 gig 'Silence' and the sound 'quality' was beyond awful. https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Silence/release/772746

Silence was one of my first bootlegs on CD.... it's pretty bad soundwise, indeed

Also responsible for that horrible 1991 Ceremony recording of New York 1983. I remember playing it in Germany at a mate's house and he said, I can't believe how bad it is. I said that was the point, attitude etc. He laughed, You fucking mug. http://www.enkiri.com/joy/records/records\_no\_unofficial.html The worst thing about Silence is that I didn't have much music and I was looking forward to revisiting the Technique tracks... There was a better 89 one, Decadence, a double LP featuring live stuff and some rarities (typical Razormaid and a soundcheck of JD instrumentals). https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Decadence/release/581280

Ceremony was my very first bootleg CD.... it still amazes me that it's still much more easy to find good/great live recordings from 1982-1987 than the Technique era. Even video recordings. I really hope they come up with something really good for the Technique box set.

I may have missed it, but none of this artwork is done by Peter Saville is it?

have they just got to the point where they can't afford him any more?

The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Good point Mr D, but there's Reading 89. Decent quality and a long, confident performance by their 80s standards. And yes, the quote fucktion sunks. My ambition is to be the new Jack Dee. But not as entusiastic.

GotBlueEyes wrote: The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Yeah, but there's a "hidden" artwork on the inner sleeve, which is pretty unusual for singles

Mr. Disco wrote: Live in I've got both Detroit '89 and Belgium '85 from Amazon JP. They might be soundboard recordings

If the Detroit CD is the same as the version on YouTube it's definitely a soundboard bootleg. The vocals are hard left or hard right if I recall. Much of my music listening is on headphones and it's quite excruciating hearing the vocals just in one ear. The main reason I didn't but the CD. Hoping there'll be some better mixes gigs by the time of the Technique box.

Mr. Disco wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote: The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Yeah, but there's a "hidden" artwork on the inner sleeve, which is pretty unusual for singles

i never opened mine.

it is an actual sleeve, or slipcover.

or really 2 sleeves.

i remember the pet shop boys did one for 'left to my own devices' for the cd single and the 12 inch. https://www.discogs.com/Pet-Shop-Boys-Left-To-My-Own-Devices-The-Disco-Mix/release/79886

later -1

GotBlueEyes wrote: I may have missed it, but none of this artwork is done by Peter Saville is it?

have they just got to the point where they can't afford him any more?

The design work on this doesn't really grab me, but then the Be A Rebel 12" just literally had a blue sleeve.

Peter Saville doesn't really do sleeve design any more. Even the box set stuff is mainly done by Howard Wakefield, though in consultation with Peter (as they're reworks of his original designs).

Warren Jackson does most of their newer releases now, plus live artwork etc. Also, the book in the Definitive box sets and the live videos.

negative1 wrote:

i'm fine with blurays, even though they're a dying format nowadays, as everything is going digital.

later -1

Well yeah, I think I’ve never got round to buying a Blu-ray player because I don’t tend to buy many films. Most new films I’ll just rent and watch on demand or download or in the case recently with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for. I think the only reason I bought a DVD player in the first place years ago was because New Order released the 316 DVD. Although I did used to like buying DVD singles back in the early 2000s. Well I guess I’ll buy a Blu Ray player if I can get one for around £70 and at least they also play DVDs as well.

Johnny James wrote:

Peter Saville doesn't really do sleeve design any more. Even the box set stuff is mainly done by Howard Wakefield, though in consultation with Peter (as they're reworks of his original designs).

Warren Jackson does most of their newer releases now, plus live artwork etc. Also, the book in the Definitive box sets and the live videos.

He did Music Complete (+ its singles) though. Was that his last sleeve art for anyone? (He did Kanye at one point prior to MC didn't he?)

Fotz wrote:

with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for.

Was this before you realised you could watch Wonder Woman 1984 for free? Multiple times.

[Incidentally I didn't spend much time thinking about the time travel in Tenet. I just accepted that some people are travelling in time in the opposite direction to others and they can encounter each other. I mostly tried to just enjoy the action set pieces. So many time travel films seem to have paradoxes (or "Grandfather Paradoxes") that I don't try too hard to make sense of it all. But maybe that's just me...]

Debaser wrote:

Fotz wrote:

with Tenet I actually bought the digital version of that to keep through my TV box’s store because I was assuming I’d have to watch it a few times to get my head round it. Thing is I paid £14 for it on the Virgin Media store but then next day I saw the DVD on sale in Asda for £10 and was kicking myself.Also, if I ever switch from Virgin Media I’d no longer have access to a digital version of a film I paid for.

Was this before you realised you could watch Wonder Woman 1984 for free? Multiple times.

Haha! Yes i get your point.You got me there, yer bugger😄

No, there was a number of reasons i paid for Tenet but downloaded for free WW84.

I get a bit of guilt from time to time from grabbing everything for free illegally(I've noticed i use music streaming services like Amazon Music HD more these days than downloading from Soulseek for free) .So as Tenet was probably the biggest and most talked about film of 2020 i decided to pay for once.I had actually looked for it on Soulseek but the queues were ridiculous and i'd probably have been still waiting the next day and i wanted to watch it there and then one evening when i had a spare few hours.With Wonder Woman 84 i was perhaps not half as keen as i was with Tenet to see it that minute so joined a download queue and the next day it had downloaded.

Another reason is when i download films on my laptop i have to watch them on my laptop which obviously doesn't have as big a screen as my tv.Why don't i copy the film to a USB stick and then plug the USB stick into my tv you may ask.Well, believe it or not my Panasonic tv doesn't have a USB socket.It's a model from around the mid to late 2000s and just didn't come with a USB socket.I'm not familiar with how to hook up my laptop to tv .Need to get round to getting a new tv.So, i wanted to watch Tenet on my tv in bigger screen than my small laptop so for all the reasons i've mentioned that's how i ended up paying £14 for Tenet.

After all that i've still only watched Tenet once.Kind of got the basic gist (though don't ask me how to explain it) but need to view again to catch stuff i may have missed

Oh, so the Decades doc won’t be included on Blu-ray in this package after all then? I think there had been a few people on here wondering if it would be bundled in with the Ally Pally box but it seems not. Ah well.