Be A Rebel

Oh my. What a great tune.

Just downloading now off iTunes - full and edited versions. Is it too much to suggest that 'full' implies 'album'?

Got something new to review!

2020 just got a whole lot better...

Be A Rebel

Ah yes, I guess it's already "tomorrow" down under.

The 14 secs sound kinda Academic-y.

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Debaser wrote: Ah yes, I guess it's already "tomorrow" down under.

The 14 secs sound kinda Academic-y.

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Kinda!??

It's more or less the same guitar riff

Dennis Remmer wrote:

Is it too much to suggest that 'full' implies 'album'?

Yes.

It's from the Music Complete era, and I wouldn't expect a whole LP's worth of unreleased material ala Lost Sirens. What would they call it, Music Incomplete?

Was able to switch over to the NZ iTunes Store to hear the samples. It’s not labeled “full”, the short one is labeled “edit”, implying radio. The difference between 5 minutes vs. 3.5 minutes. Wish it had a proper B-side, but there you go.

It reminds me of Twisted Tenderness-era Electronic.

I’m actually quite excited

Come on everyone let’s be positive about the song once I read the negative reviews here then it stays with me and it is hard to enjoy the song. I am very excited to listen to the whole song. I went to the Australian iTunes Store and heard the 1:30 length of it and I really liked it.

This doesn't add up. All this promo, exclusive first airplay on the largest UK radio station, teaser clips, all just for one little mp3?

Nah.

They've knocked some sort of album together during lockdown.

Sounds like a The Other Two reject with some of Bernards worse clunky lyrics (even by his standards).

I can see why they’ve been siting on it for 5 years.

Maybe it’s a grower. I hated Restless initially but ended up thinking it probably the bet track off MC.

Having been blown away by the vibrancy of the AOC instrumental writing session that popped up recently, I was struck by how un-blown-away I was by this. A pleasant pop song, but fairly forgettable, and has as much bite as a new-born calf. Or something. It does feel kinda "Radio 2" ish. But no need to wait for Zoe Ball to play it; it's already on streaming services.

I quite like it on first couple listens. Music is good though the lyrics a tiny bit clunky in first listen but optimistic in tone .Lyrics better in second listen. Reminds a little in places of Electronic but more their first album rather than Twisted Tenderness. Liking the guitar on it. There’s a bassy synth towards the end which I’m just starting to get into but then the track ends but maybe could have been extended and brought out a bit more in the track but maybe will be if there’s remixes to come at some point. Wasn’t there mention of Steve doing his own remix of it?

Overall I like the music and Bernard’s vocal and lyrics.

Really enjoying listening to the new song I know it is not a Classic New Order song but still great. Can’t wait to buy it on iTunes tomorrow. Very few bands that can still make this great music. Most of the 80 band are gone and given up

Sounds essentially like a hybrid of Academic and Bad Lieutenant's Sink or Swim, but more synthy than either. I can't say I hear any bass guitar on the track.

I would say although the lyrics might not have the craft and weight of Academic, they are miles better than the wretched ones of Sink or Swim (and if you're averse to clunky lyrics, why are you still here?). My understanding is that while the music dates from the same time as Music Complete, the lyrics and vocals were completed more recently as Bernard decided that track was a worthwhile vehicle for his somewhat timely social commentary.

I echo what others have said about it being likely to grow on me, and that the track ends just as the synths threaten to get spicy. Definitely deserving of remixes.

Onboard with the Twisted Tenderness vibe.

Kind of a breezy, synthy, Bernard tune that's likely to grow. The outro was starting to go somewhere, I could cop a remix.

Have to admit, I'd assumed the early "Be a rebel, not a devil" call was in jest. And yet.. here we are.

No physical release? That CD promo market will soar.

Some stuff at http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2020/09/07/new-order-be-a-rebel-new-single/?fbclid=IwAR2MXMGe2HIpJwlj9Sp8otU3Mm6ypm-0e-IZ\_vdNJtz\_1zjc-a4\_v3xnA3s Just keep knocking out those hits, eh? How do they do it? What's their secret? I guess we'll never know.

depthcharge wrote:

Have to admit, I'd assumed the early "Be a rebel, not a devil" call was in jest. And yet.. here we are.

perspexorange wrote: “Be A Rebel... Not A Devil”

Apparently. 😉

Called it

I agree with the the ‘Twisted Tenderness’ sentiment. Kept waiting for the ‘tell a little lie’ line. There’s bit of it that reminds me of the second Electronic LP too, specifically the song ‘Stop If You’ve Got Love’. Haven’t heard that in close to a quarter of a Century, though, so might be imagining it.

But, that being said, I quite like it and it’ll probably get better as I relisten to it. Like someone else has commented above, I wasn’t that bothered with ‘Restless’ the first time I heard it, but now think of it as excellent.

The other thing it kind of reminds me of is this jingle that Bernard apparently wrote for a German radio programme. Just that opening keyboard refrain, really:

Andy wrote: Sounds essentially like a hybrid of Academic and Bad Lieutenant's Sink or Swim, but more synthy than either.

I agree with that, particularly the Sink Or Swim bit.

Thought I might as well put the single here, as posted on the band's YouTube channel:

£1.49on iTunes for a new Neworder single? Excellent.

A good solid tune. Positive, enjoyable and hopefully a 'grower'.

Certainly bits of Electronic and Academic reaching my ears - no bad thing.

Wonder if Steve's remix will appear in a week or two? (Hopefully it wasn't just the edit 'mix'.)

Reminds me of If You’ve Got Love from RTP.

Oh, a few commenters meant Twisted Tenderness the song, not the general album. Right. Yeah I get it now. Also a bit like some parts of Raise The Pressure. And a bit of Academic too. And a bit of that no.1 theme tune jingle too.

Some welcome social commentary in the lyrics from Bernard although I did find them slightly clunky on first listen.

As someone posted earlier, the song starts to get a bit more spicey but then suddenly it’s finished. Liking it though.

it's not bad. i like the strings.

very mellow, considering the title.

could see this being on the music complete album.

hoping for some remixes.

later -1

https://mutebank.co.uk/products/new-order-be-a-rebel-dove-grey-12

Be a Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Mix) Be a Rebel (Stephen’s T34 Mix) Be a Rebel (Bernard’s Renegade Instrumental Mix)

Well, that answers my earlier question! Looking forward to getting hold of these.

Thanks, OB.👍

Really digging this. It somehow manages to be both dated and timeless at the same time.

I do hope this is the start of a new album campaign.

Rorschach wrote: Looking forward to getting hold of these. Thanks, OB.👍

Indeed... and how cool that they’re exclusively remixes by Bernard and Stephen. So much is right with this release.

Sounds like a mixture between Sugarcane and Superheated to me.

negative1 wrote: it's not bad. i like the strings.

very mellow, considering the title.

could see this being on the music complete album.

hoping for some remixes.

later -1

already confirmed as happening by Mark Reeder - he will be contributing at least one remix.

Old Blue wrote: https://mutebank.co.uk/products/new-order-be-a-rebel-dove-grey-12

MINTY MINT cheers OLD BLUE

It is still not available to purchase on Amazon or iTunes digitally yet in USA yet.

All looks great.

Not sure I'll go for the 12" (*), but would definitely snaffle up a CD single.

* May be subject to change.

OK - I've listened about 5-6 times now, and must say that I really do like it a lot now. Great stuff!

There probably isn't anything really outstanding about it, but it's just a bloody nice pop song.

I really like Bernard's vocal delivery, which sounds bright and breezy. Some of his recent vocal lines have been deeper (probably to better manage his voice as he has gotten older) but, with this song, he seems to have reverted back closer to his usual register.

Will continue to listen for the rest of the day, on and off.

Man, little beauties like this make me yearn for another LP. C'mon, BSGP&T. Make it so!

while the main tune is ok, i do agree with the above poster and like bernard's vocal line a lot here.

perspexorange wrote: All looks great.

Not sure I'll go for the 12" (*), but would definitely snaffle up a CD single.

* May be subject to change.

ME TOO..

TIMES change....I got one....😎

ROCKET MICK wrote:

ME TOO..

TIMES change....I got one....😎

Good to see you 'post' here, Rocket Mick.

In honour, I've 'thanked' you!

Ah, could listen to the final keyboard sequence there for quite a lot longer.

Wonder if that's Gillian doing the backing vocals on the chorus?

aysie wrote: Ah, could listen to the final keyboard sequence there for quite a lot longer.

Wonder if that's Gillian doing the backing vocals on the chorus?

I thought that too, initially. I believe it's actually Barney's falsetto.

Does anyone know why it is not available to purchase in America in any digital platform iTunes or Amazon digital. It is a copyright issue or something. I can’t find it anywhere here to buy it digitally.

Rorschach wrote: Stephen’s T34 Mix

Just noticed the detail on that

Anyone know of a Stephen Morris Tankography anywhere - didn't think he owned one of Russia's finest. Perhaps its a coded callout to all Vikings to pitch in and buy him one. Looking into it...

perspexorange wrote:

There probably isn't anything really outstanding about it, but it's just a bloody nice pop song.

I really like Bernard's vocal delivery, which sounds bright and breezy. Some of his recent vocal lines have been deeper (probably to better manage his voice as he has gotten older) but, with this song, he seems to have reverted back closer to his usual register.

Yep, agreed. Not outstanding (yet) but a really nice, breezy tune.

Yeah, Bernard has gone back a bit to that plaintive and appealing vocal style of old a bit , i think with this one.

Dennis Remmer wrote:

Indeed... and how cool that they’re exclusively remixes by Bernard and Stephen.

Yeah, I thought that too - but begs the question "who produced the single version(s) that are up on the platforms today"?

If I have one complaint it's that intro - sounds so weak, like someone just suddenly remembered to push the faders up. If they'd done a big drop there it would've sounded great

Comments from Steve in the NME suggest this may not simply be a cast off from MC as some have dismissed it as, but possibly part of a larger project:

Speaking to NME about the track, drummer Stephen Morris said: “It’s kind of carrying on from ‘Music Complete’. It’s a very dance-y song.”

He continued: “It’s been a bit strange making a record via remote control, with the song getting batted about backwards and forwards, but hopefully it’s turned out alright!

“It’s just a one-off at the minute. We thought we’d start with one and then see how it goes.

GotBlueEyes wrote: but begs the question "who produced the single version(s) that are up on the platforms today"?

I'm not sure of 'producer', per se, but Bernard had mentioned in a streamed interview that he was 'doing a remix of his own mix' or similar. This made me think that it might have been made without a separate producer, and the band handled most of these chores.

This makes a certain amount of sense, especially if a lot of the work was done during lockdown, as it might've been more complicated to involve a separate producer. Not impossible, I know, but I'm guessing that the band would rather not just 'hand over the reigns' to someone else without one of them, at least, being present 'in the room'.

Milkshock wrote: Comments from Steve in the NME suggest this may not simply be a cast off from MC as some have dismissed it as, but possibly part of a larger project:

Speaking to NME about the track, drummer Stephen Morris said: “It’s kind of carrying on from ‘Music Complete’. It’s a very dance-y song.”

He continued: “It’s been a bit strange making a record via remote control, with the song getting batted about backwards and forwards, but hopefully it’s turned out alright!

“It’s just a one-off at the minute. We thought we’d start with one and then see how it goes.

This is a good sign. Keeping fingers (and toes) crossed!

I'm excited by this, and like it more with each listen. But (and not trolling here) really could have used some bass lines beyond the programmed

With this track (which has seemingly come out of nowhere) , the forthcoming live CD/DVD and the highly anticipated PC&L box set and accompanying 12”s, it’s shaping up to a really good Autumn (after a horrible last few months).

Here’s a question. Does anyone know whether the ‘sleeve’ is a Saville design?

perspexorange wrote: Here’s a question. Does anyone know whether the ‘sleeve’ is a Saville design?

no...its ON TIME

HaHa!

Yeah - maybe the 12”s will be late. 😉

perspexorange wrote: Does anyone know whether the ‘sleeve’ is a Saville design?

It is not. Warren Jackson designed it. Google says he's their "visual coordinator" and put together the book for the forthcoming PC&L box. I'm thinking maybe he does their concert visuals, since the murmuration of birds looks like something they'd use?

First non-Saville sleeve ever? Maybe Saville served as "executive producer" for the sleeve. ;)

rolling stone say ALBUM artwork is by SOREN SOLKAER?

Thanks both.

Just trying to think of other non-Saville sleeves.

Without checking:

NOMC15, maybe?

Warren did both NOMC15 and ∑(No,12k,Lg,17Mif) New Order + Liam Gillick: So It Goes..

Yeah - just checked on NOMC15 and also noticed the MiF one.

So, maybe it’s the first non-Saville single release (not including ‘unofficial’ releases, such as the two Peel Sessions singles, the Arthur Baker ‘Confusion’ releases etc.).

sounds BETTER after 7 large BOTTLES of PERONI😎

620 ml...designed by a PROPER ITALIAN

After a few listens my thoughts....

It’s definitely a grower. Maybe a bit too poppy for my tastes on initial listen but then it grabs you.

It does miss a bit of low end......

Great vocal from Barney.

Great outro Could almost Be like a Dream Attack With a decent remix

Definitely more like an Electronic track.

If it was on MC not as ‘good’ as Restless, singularity, plastic, tutti fruit, stray dog, academic, nothing but a fool, the game (extended) superheated.

It would be a decent album track. BUT look at new order single releases all sublime apart from Jet stream.

After Jetstream and world in motion least favourite singles state of the nation, people on the high line, blue Monday 88 this record sits with those releases at the moment, but it’s early days, may grow on me more.

Looking forward to the remixes. The game off MC was greatly improved via extended version

Hopefully will drive them on to make one final album or at least another couple of one off singles. Per NO Facebook site one of the posters state there is one other unfinished song from MC sessions.

Feels like this may have been only Bernard, Steve and Gillian involved in this, certainly no bass guitar!

Listened a few times more since last posts. Ignore any negativity in previous posts, it’s just great having them back And it’s a good sign I’m enjoying the track more I play it rather than less. The real test is the effect the song has in a few months.

With PC&L box set, remastered singles, be a rebel 12”, London concert at o2 next November, new order crew t shirt, with the possibility of Alexandra place live dvd the amount of money spent on new order is certainly keeping them in a life they are accustomed to! But then again the importance of the band on my life....well worth it

The Shadow wrote: Feels like this may have been only Bernard, Steve and Gillian involved in this, certainly no bass guitar!

It is a bit like Electronic meets The Other Two.Electrother Two?

Picking up more now on repeated listens on some really top quality synth flourishes.Kind of well, silvery synth sound is the way i'd describe it.The drums in places really do sound like that no.1 theme tune jingle.

Bernard's state of the nation/world/society lyrics seem to be about the anger some people have these days and where does it come from, also addressing mental health issues maybe? .But a positive and upbeat vibe to the song.Infectious.

perspexorange wrote: All looks great.

Not sure I'll go for the 12" (*), but would definitely snaffle up a CD single.

* May be subject to change.

figured there would be remixes eventually, they've been on a roll, since the plethora of them from the last album.

now, for new order collectors, you will HAVE TO BUY the vinyl, just for the sake of having a 'LIMITED' edition.

yes, i already ordered it, but will never open it or play it. because if/when there is a cd single and the digital releases, there will be no point (unless something is exclusive).

although there were a ton of colored vinyl releases for the last 4 singles, there was a 'limited' edition 7 inch picture disc of 'people on the high line', that had an exclusive claptone radio edit. however, they are NOT rare, and not expensive, with plenty of copies still around. i havent even bothered to rip the exclusive track yet. will get around to that at some point.

later -1

negative1 wrote: there was a 'limited' edition 7 inch picture disc of 'people on the high line', that had an exclusive claptone radio edit. however, they are NOT rare, and not expensive, with plenty of copies still around. i havent even bothered to rip the exclusive track yet. will get around to that at some point.

That picture disc also featured the People On The Highline "Video Edit", a slightly longer version of the radio edit. That and the Claptone edit were both were nice versions.

The picture discs came with a download code for both edits, so no need to rip - good thing too, as the sound quality was awful, even if it did look great on my turntable!

I agree with a lot of the comments. The intro just seems to jump in at the wrong time. Some of the synths sound a bit twee and bland and like something off GarageBand.

I think it’s an ok track. Reminds me of raise the pressure era type programmed dancey type music.

Bernards vocals are pretty good but the line about the “it’s all we got, but it’s quite a lot” and “it’s a family affair” make my eyes roll every time. At least there’s no “hey there you, watcha doing” present.

There’s some nice choppy guitar during 2nd verse but it’s a bit in the background and doesn’t feature again (which is a shame).

It’s a 6/10 for me. A decent remix could push that higher.

The synth chords on the verse sound like a straight recycle of some distant memory...

is it bro wrote: The intro just seems to jump in at the wrong time.

It's now bugging me even more. On the full length version it totally sounds like a mistake. Especially as on the "edit" the drop is clean (albeit still sounds too early)

Maybe Bernard and Steve were so busy doing their own mixes that they forgot they never fixed the intro on the original mix

ROCKET MICK wrote:

MINTY MINT

They'll be engraving that into your headstone one day ROCKET MICK.

negative1 wrote:

although there were a ton of colored vinyl releases for the last 4 singles, there was a 'limited' edition 7 inch picture disc of 'people on the high line', that had an exclusive claptone radio edit. however, they are NOT rare, and not expensive, with plenty of copies still around.

The rare POTHL was the clear 12" version of that 7". Hen's teeth that one.

Same tracklisting.

worth celebrating we got something new out from these guys n gal, and like everyone else im willing it to be worthy of the NO name

melody of the its a rebel is really strong but regardless of the circumstances in the recording process through lockdown, to my ears the track suffers from really disappointingly bland and generic sounds used throughout. i mean, another italio house riff barney? the number of times (and albums) this has been trotted out... it sounded dated in back in 1996 on rtp contrast against the freshness of MC and the reworkings for MIF, it just sounds so... nice?

more surprising when listening to steves marvellous recent take on maps both sides, adds some great instrumentation and off kilter sounds to the existing and chucks in a thumping a kick ass beat. shame they didnt do the same with their own track! hopeful the mixes do the track justice..

Steve on Shaun Keaveny show on 6Music just now talking about the song and seemed to imply the live DVD out at end of year.Go to around 2 hour 20 min (3.20pm) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music now to catch show live and rewind .I guess the catch up after show option later on will have a different link address.

Wow so many negatives comments about this song, we should be Thankful that we got such a great song by them, if it is that easy to make a great catchy song like this then lets see you make it, it is not a Classic New order song but still a great song.

Linus Solanki wrote: it is not a Classic New order song but still a great song.

Yep, agreed.Think that's how i feel about it.Not a classic but still great.

Fotz wrote:

Linus Solanki wrote: it is not a Classic New order song but still a great song.

Yep, agreed.Think that's how i feel about it.Not a classic but still great.

Yep - me too.

I'm also really grateful that we've finally got something new, after five years.

I'm very happy to have something new.

Knowing this was intended to drop for the joint NO/PSB tour, I don't mind that it sounds like Electronic.

Yes, it's missing a good "bass as lead instrument" bassline. I know Tom doesn't want to imitate Hook's sound. Maybe this will sound better live.

What I really miss are thick '80s drum machine sounds. The wimpy almost-a-hand-clap snare doesn't do it for me.

If they'd broken out the Oberheim drum machine, put Tom front and center, and strengthened the intro this would go down as a classic single.

It's catchy, I've listened to it on repeat quite a bit. The vocal melody is strong.

Fotz wrote: Steve on Shaun Keaveny show on 6Music just now talking about the song and seemed to imply the live DVD out at end of year.Go to around 2 hour 20 min (3.20pm) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music now to catch show live and rewind .I guess the catch up after show option later on will have a different link address.

Thanks for this. Also, looks like Hooky was interviewed just before in a separate news article on the Haçienda.

They also made mention that Hooky will also be on Chris Hawkins' programme tomorrow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mb6t

perspexorange wrote:

Fotz wrote: Steve on Shaun Keaveny show on 6Music just now talking about the song and seemed to imply the live DVD out at end of year.Go to around 2 hour 20 min (3.20pm) https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_6music now to catch show live and rewind .I guess the catch up after show option later on will have a different link address.

Thanks for this. Also, looks like Hooky was interviewed just before in a separate news article on the Haçienda.

They also made mention that Hooky will also be on Chris Hawkins' programme tomorrow:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000mb6t

Yes i caught the bit before with Hooky and Hacienda stuff.Shaun Keaveny said , after Be A Rebel was played in full, that more of the chat with Steve will be aired sometime but didn't say when.Think Keaveny might have said the second part of chat with Steve will be about the live DVD but not sure now without playing back the part of show.

50poundnote wrote: I'm very happy to have something new.

Knowing this was intended to drop for the joint NO/PSB tour, I don't mind that it sounds like Electronic. Yes, it's missing a good "bass as lead instrument" bassline. I know Tom doesn't want to imitate Hook's sound. Maybe this will sound better live.What I really miss are thick '80s drum machine sounds. The wimpy almost-a-hand-clap snare doesn't do it for me.

If they'd broken out the Oberheim drum machine, put Tom front and center, and strengthened the intro this would go down as a classic single.

It's catchy, I've listened to it on repeat quite a bit. The vocal melody is strong.

Agreed on both points, the drum programming is too polite and Tom doesn't seem to feature at all, I certainly can't hear any bass guitar, it's quite amiable though all the same.

It's cool that they dropped a new song out of nowhere, pity they didn't drop an album but I guess it takes them years to make an album nowadays.

Linus Solanki wrote: Wow so many negatives comments about this song, we should be Thankful that we got such a great song by them, if it is that easy to make a great catchy song like this then lets see you make it, it is not a Classic New order song but still a great song.

I agree it’s not easy to write decent catchy songs but the negative comments are only because we care. Music Complete probably took most by surprise at how fantastic, varied, fresh and imaginative it all sounded.

If BAR was originally from the same sessions then we might have expected more from it. It’s a good song and grown on me but it doesn’t stick in my head.

It’s astonishing to be getting music from this group of people after 6 decades (see what I did there). And so I can’t complain and shouldn’t be critical but there you go.

As for throwing down the gauntlet of writing a great catchy song....oh go on then....I’ll give it a go if you will?

aysie wrote: Ah, could listen to the final keyboard sequence there for quite a lot longer.

Me too...and the lovely synth stings throughout are a highlight. Barney's in decent form I guess...I've heard worse. Looking forward to the remixes and the instrumental in particular.

is it bro wrote: At least there’s no “hey there you, watcha doing” present.

Only one 'watcha' this time round lol

50poundnote wrote: I'm very happy to have something new.

Knowing this was intended to drop for the joint NO/PSB tour, I don't mind that it sounds like Electronic.

Yes, it's missing a good "bass as lead instrument" bassline. I know Tom doesn't want to imitate Hook's sound. Maybe this will sound better live.

What I really miss are thick '80s drum machine sounds. The wimpy almost-a-hand-clap snare doesn't do it for me.

If they'd broken out the Oberheim drum machine, put Tom front and center, and strengthened the intro this would go down as a classic single.

It's catchy, I've listened to it on repeat quite a bit. The vocal melody is strong.

They'll just need another new song to release now in it's place, next year, in time for the tour!

daftpunk wrote:

50poundnote wrote: I'm very happy to have something new.

Knowing this was intended to drop for the joint NO/PSB tour, I don't mind that it sounds like Electronic.

Yes, it's missing a good "bass as lead instrument" bassline. I know Tom doesn't want to imitate Hook's sound. Maybe this will sound better live.

What I really miss are thick '80s drum machine sounds. The wimpy almost-a-hand-clap snare doesn't do it for me.

If they'd broken out the Oberheim drum machine, put Tom front and center, and strengthened the intro this would go down as a classic single.

It's catchy, I've listened to it on repeat quite a bit. The vocal melody is strong.

They'll just need another new song to release now in it's place, next year, in time for the tour!

Who knows by next year maybe a new album with all the time they have spending inside and not touring or maybe a new single

Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

It's actually really grown on me...was very dissapointed at first

It's missing a hook style bass though....it's not just his sound,it's new part of new orders as one of them said in an interview around the time of MC

Reading the comments people left on the youtube video of Be a rebel so many people are Disappointed with the absence of Peter Hooks Guitar and his sound, but what can you do if the Band has separated, Yes Be A Rebel misses his signature bass for sure , But we can do nothing about it and this will be the NEW New Order sound from now on and many people will be upset by it especially people who like Joy Division and the Harder sound but Let's see What NO does next.

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

Well, he's certainly no Hooky but it gives a good glimpse of what it COULD have sounded like.

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

Sounds like a knuckle dragging thug turning up uninvited at a party and trying to put his choice of music on.

track sounds more Pet Shop Boys, than New Order. really would fit well as the B-Side for "Did You See Me Coming?", actually.

I've decided that it sounds like The Other Two with Bernard on guest vocals.

Sounds like New Order minus Peter Hooks signature Bass guitar.

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

haha - this is hilarious. I actually kind of hope this is Hooky trolling Bernard big style

Nobody with ears could deny that it sounds a bazillion percent better like this

He should do the whole of Music Complete too

We've all lived with the song long enough to have cemented our feelings towards it. I thought this was a rather fair review/appraisal of the track:

DailyCal.com

3.5 out of 5, lack of guitars noted (without mentioning you-know-who, which, to be fair, is very old news at this point), and simple but sincere lyrics.

Nail on the head.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

haha - this is hilarious. I actually kind of hope this is Hooky trolling Bernard big style

Nobody with ears could deny that it sounds a bazillion percent better like this

He should do the whole of Music Complete too

Hooky repeated his claim in an Instagram chat recently that he will play Music Complete live, even if it's just at the Factory club to an empty venue.
Personally I'd like to see/hear a recording of that. Well, I would if Hooky decides to add his own basslines. Then maybe a clever person could edit the bass lines on to the album proper.

'Ian Curtis, the band’s frontman when it was known as Joy Division...' Life is an adventure. You just have to keep an open mind. I've only heard the song once and it's OK. They're usually growers anyway, but I hate listening to music via downloads. Sounds more like Electronic circa Second to None or the Pet Shop Boys circa 1983 up to now, but that might be a good thing after the London trilogy. Yes, very Other Two. I also lost interest in the Pets over the years. I had pretty much everything up to It's Alright (sic), and then I was like my mother (on and off for ten years). After Bilingual I just couldn't be arsed. The End of the World is worthy of the first Electronic album, though. I always hated Hooky, but then I saw the Light. I always hated The Pet Shop Boys' music, but then I discovered It's Alright. I always hated One Direction.

I decided not to comment on the first listen and wait. I've played it a few times now and it's really grown on me with each play. For me, it has a reminiscince in it. It wouldn't have fitted on Music Complete. It's got quite a different feel to it which takes me back to earlier times. I've ordered the vinyl. Just a shame I have to wait 2 months for it. 😕

This song is standing up really well to repeated listens. Gone from thinking it was an ok song to now a great song. Looking forward to the 12”.

The Shadow wrote: This song is standing up really well to repeated listens. Gone from thinking it was an ok song to now a great song. Looking forward to the 12”.

Very True. I am really enjoying listening to Be A Rebel

Just went and ordered myself the 12". I just need to go back to the 12" singles that were released off of MC and get those to go along with the box set I have.

Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song.

Fotz wrote: Where’s our old friend keepitcoming these days? Thought he/she would have been all over this, a new song.

I see what you did there.

NotAMod wrote: A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs.

The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match.

Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine).

Thoughts?

I don't know if there's a real promo CD for it, but I can say from years of experience in record shops etc dealing with genuine promos, that this looks home made and badly designed and is probably not official.

Edit: look at the other promo CDs they've sold, all feature what look like the same CDR discs, same PVCs (consumer ones, perforated edges), similar 'design' characteristics despite being on different labels. It doesn't ring true at all. There are also too many signed items, also probably faked, though I can't be bothered to look at them too closely.

Didn't even chart in the Download charts?

I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times

I remember People on the High Line being #1 on the physical singles chart, no?

GotBlueEyes wrote: Didn't even chart in the Download charts?

I make that the 5th single in a row that hasn't charted now. Sad times

It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above.

Be A Rebel peaked at #13 on the UK iTunes download chart, and #1 on the Alternative chart.

It peaked at #86 on the US iTunes chart.

It's had 5,390,915 streams on Spotify, but only 280,194 views on YouTube.

It will likely chart when the physical 12"/digital bundle is released on November 13th.

Chart position doesn't mean anything anyway. They still sell out massive venues.

Didn't Steve once say if you believe in the charts you may as well believe in fairies?

Linus Solanki wrote:

It makes me very sad that a song this good didn’t chart. Such a great catchy song. Much better that most of the crap on top 20. It really saddens me that New Orders music is getting less famous and not many people listening to. I also love U2 , Depeche Mode and Pet shop boys but when they release some it gets noticed and ends up being high on the chart buy why not NO. They are equally good as those bands that I mentioned above.

Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed. I'm not sure about PSBs but the Depeche albums always seem to appear near the top of the charts before sinking without trace (probably because they've all sounded the same since 1997. Come on Depeche, where's the melodies gone? Enough on that staticy crunchy crap).

Coops wrote:

Don't forget U2 have always and still are happy to promote their product every which way possible whereas New Orders policy of "Can't Really Be Arsed" still seems to be being followed.

Sounds cool and UberNewOrder but like a lot of the mythology around the band It hasn't been true for years. In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: In 1993 they made Ginger Spice look like J D Salinger.

And what's Ginger doing these days? Or the rest of them?

They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone.

NotAMod wrote: A dodgy "promo CD" for Be A Rebel has cropped up on eBay which looks nothing like established Mute promotional CDrs.

The insert looks hand-cut with a pair of scissors and all of the information printed on the "release" could have come character for character from the Discogs entries for the digital versions. Also, the story of how the person came into possession of the CD... well, the timelines don't really match.

Can anyone on the forum with connections to the band or label hint whether this is genuine or not? If it is not then some fan or collector might be about to be fleeced (not me, I hasten to add. I won't be bidding even if it is genuine).

Thoughts?

It might be fake. But at least its not signed.

But I wonder how they've managed to keep a 100% rating through hundreds of sales.

Thats pretty impressive.

The rest were probably bought from someone else, they mentioned that did have actual signed items, so those are probably real.

later -1

Seriously dodgy.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: They're organising our six-way wedding. Now leave my religion alone.

See, I hinted that they'd fallen on hard times.

Not just times, if they're lucky. Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

True! It's great that they're releasing this in physical formats.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: Not just times, if they're lucky. Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.

I meant a full-on single with artwork and mixes as opposed to a single track on an OST featuring crud like the Spice Girls' aborted daughters All Saints and the mind-numbingly overrated Blur. Working Overtime, Rock the Shack, the lyrics to Player in the League... Great years indeed.

Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November.

Fotz wrote: Out of interest, i spent a few minutes scanning through the tracks played on various shows on Radio 2 and BBC 6Music over the last couple of weeks to see if Be A Rebel had received much airplay.The only time i found it had been played on Radio 2 was when Zoe Ball premiered it on the breakfast show the day it was released.Shaun Keaveny played it the next day on his 6Music show after the short chat with Steve.Since then absolutely no plays on either station as far as i could find except for Amy Lame on 6Music who played it last Sunday on her afternoon show.Odd.Maybe it'll get more airplay when the physical copies are released in November.

Yes I also had checked last week to see the track listing last week on BBC 2 & 6 and not that much AirPlay. So sad. Such a good song and not that much AirPlay

LostSiren wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.

True, it was productive, but I'm not sure how worthwhile a lot of the songs that followed it were, but that 's just my opinion.

Personally speaking, I always think that 'Brutal' kind of set the template for a lot of bland songs that followed:

Brutal 60 Miles An Hour Slow Jam Close Range Sabotage Player In The League Such A Good Thing Who's Joe? Hey Now What You Doing I Told You So Working Overtime I'll Stay With You Hellbent Shake It Up I Got A Feeling

...all sound fairly similar to me. I know some of these are a little bit different (Slow Jam, I Told You So, etc.), but there are definite similarities in a lot of of those tracks.

However, I think the point that Michael was making was that 'Brutal' was just kind of 'thrown out there', with no fanfare, wedged between other artists' tracks on a soundtrack LP. It should be noted as well, that the song is barely heard in the actual film (it was played very quietly on a radio, in the middle of a storm).

A bit of a waste of a song (albeit, not a great one).

At least with 'Be A Rebel', the band have made an effort to promote it, even releasing it on vinyl and CD single. (I still smart at the fact that I paid £15 just to hear 'Brutal' on 'The Beach' soundtrack).

Agreed with most of those songs you’ve listed there, perspex. But I’ve always quite liked , or at least a lot of elements of, Player In The League( great outro), Who’s Joe?( great verses and chorus) and even Slow Jam . I Got A Feeling is also pretty catchy even though the music is old and creeky. The rest though, yeah not great. Thing is, if Peter Hook was still in the band I feel that’s the sort of crap they’d still be putting out.

perspexorange wrote:

LostSiren wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.

True, it was productive, but I'm not sure how worthwhile a lot of the songs that followed it were, but that 's just my opinion.

Personally speaking, I always that 'Brutal' kind of set the template for a lot of bland songs that followed:

Brutal 60 Miles An Hour Slow Jam Close Range Sabotage Player In The League Such A Good Thing Who's Joe? Hey Now What You Doing I Told You So Working Overtime I'll Stay With You Hellbent Shake It Up I Got A Feeling

As per Fotz agree with some but not all

Love :

60mph, close range, who’s joe, I’ll stay with you.

Like :

player in the league, hey Now what you doing, hellbent, such a good thing, I told you so (lost sirens version).

Passable:

Brutal, slow jam, sabotage, I got a feeling

New order at their worse:

Working overtime, shake it up, I told you so (WFTSC version) You missed Rock the shack!

All a matter of opinion but good to stimulate some debate.

Yep. It’s good that we’re all different.

To be honest, I don’t dislike all of the songs I listed (for instance I like 60mph and Close Range).

I just think they all fit the same, fairly ordinary, mould.

The Shadow wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

LostSiren wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote:

Glad this is a 'proper' single and not a one-off like Brutal.

I'm taking this the wrong way, surely, but Brutal was the start of a great 6 years of New Order productivity.

True, it was productive, but I'm not sure how worthwhile a lot of the songs that followed it were, but that 's just my opinion.

Personally speaking, I always that 'Brutal' kind of set the template for a lot of bland songs that followed:

Brutal 60 Miles An Hour Slow Jam Close Range Sabotage Player In The League Such A Good Thing Who's Joe? Hey Now What You Doing I Told You So Working Overtime I'll Stay With You Hellbent Shake It Up I Got A Feeling

As per Fotz agree with some but not all

Love :

60mph, close range, who’s joe, I’ll stay with you.

Like :

player in the league, hey Now what you doing, hellbent, such a good thing, I told you so (lost sirens version).

Passable:

Brutal, slow jam, sabotage, I got a feeling

New order at their worse:

Working overtime, shake it up, I told you so (WFTSC version) You missed Rock the shack!

All a matter of opinion but good to stimulate some debate.

I personally like all of their songs mostly, it is only when I read the comments here on the forum that I start thinking and over analyzing and starting to think differently and disliking the song. Sadly

I know exactly what you mean about Brutal. It set a template for mediocre dadrock - Hellbent is almost identical. Who's Joe is a gem, though.

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I know exactly what you mean about Brutal. It set a template for mediocre dadrock - Hellbent is almost identical. Who's Joe is a gem, though.

Those are all great songs again but after reading the negative comments here I start thinking otherwise especially from you lollll . You need to start drinking more tropical drinks like pineapple or mango drink with crushed ice to make you chill out and enjoy NO’s music.

Be A Rebel played on Jeremy Vine’s Radio 2 lunchtime show yesterday. Maybe it’s starting finally to pick up more AirPlay.

Linus Solanki wrote:

Michael Monkhouse wrote: I know exactly what you mean about Brutal. It set a template for mediocre dadrock - Hellbent is almost identical. Who's Joe is a gem, though.

Those are all great songs again but after reading the negative comments here I start thinking otherwise especially from you lollll . You need to start drinking more tropical drinks like pineapple or mango drink with crushed ice to make you chill out and enjoy NO’s music.

I was just wondering what happened ti KeepShitCumming.

Fotz wrote: Be A Rebel played on Jeremy Vine’s Radio 2 lunchtime show yesterday. Maybe it’s starting finally to pick up more AirPlay.

Wss on ken bruce today too....he was banging on about them before and after but i've no idea what he said as my manager was talking to me at the time unfortunately

Around 11.15 he played it

lee wrote:

Fotz wrote: Be A Rebel played on Jeremy Vine’s Radio 2 lunchtime show yesterday. Maybe it’s starting finally to pick up more AirPlay.

Wss on ken bruce today too....he was banging on about them before and after but i've no idea what he said as my manager was talking to me at the time unfortunately

Around 11.15 he played it

Had a listen on catch up. Yeah Ken introduced it as something like “ their first song since Music Complete in 2015. Well obviously the music wasn’t complete as they’ve recorded a new single “. He talked about NO’s 2021 tour with PSB and mentioned the upcoming PCL box set. Ken has now shot up in my estimation as he sounded quite enthusiastic about everything NO related. Nice one, Ken.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

haha - this is hilarious. I actually kind of hope this is Hooky trolling Bernard big style

Nobody with ears could deny that it sounds a bazillion percent better like this

He should do the whole of Music Complete too

I see that WMG took that down already, but someone else has done another similar but different (not as good IMO) attempt at adding a Hooky bassline

I suppose NO were asking for it by releasing a single with no bass guitar on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmW4ed7GUI

GotBlueEyes wrote:

GotBlueEyes wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Be A Rebel (Parallel Universe Remix)

haha - this is hilarious. I actually kind of hope this is Hooky trolling Bernard big style

Nobody with ears could deny that it sounds a bazillion percent better like this

He should do the whole of Music Complete too

I see that WMG took that down already, but someone else has done another similar but different (not as good IMO) attempt at adding a Hooky bassline

I suppose NO were asking for it by releasing a single with no bass guitar on it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmW4ed7GUI

This is superb. Sounds like the attempt of someone trying to stamp their own style al over the song without any filter.

Old Blue wrote: https://mutebank.co.uk/products/new-order-be-a-rebel-dove-grey-12

Have ordered a copy and really looking forward to it now as I recently bought a new stylus for my turntable and the sound is mindblowing.Did a straight replacement of the Ortofon OM5E stylus that originally came with the Pro-Ject Essential 2 turntable I’ve had around 5 years. Think it was well overdue a new stylus and realise now that the tracking might have also been out of alignment for quite a while and may even have done lasting damage to some discs . Re-set the alignment and anti-skate and vinyl sounds beyond words now. Paid £45 for the new Ortofon OM5E stylus but actually wish now I’d upgraded to an Ortofon 2M Blue which I’ve read fantastic reviews of. £185 for that one though so ,maybe one day.But maybe not right now. In the meantime , the Ortofon OM 5E has made me conclude vinyl really is the best format for sound quality . The separation of instruments, the bass and treble and the sheer richness of sound has finished the argument for me over vinyl ,CD or Digital . Always been a bit undecided before but a really good stylus and correct alignment has left me gobsmacked . Oops I’ve rambled and gone off topic.

I'm waiting for the CD Single.

The more I hear this record the more I really, really like it.

It's a cool tune.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/30/917907152/heavy-rotation-15-songs-public-radio-cant-stop-playing

perspexorange wrote: I'm waiting for the CD Single.

if there is one, it will probably have all the mixes on it.

but the european versions in the past had all the mixes, when the UK ones sometimes didn't.

later -1

I finally heard it yesterday. Don’t ask me why...

Good but generic. Or generic but good. Reminds me of the first time I heard Here To Stay somehow. Not destined to be a classic, but I kind of like it. Any news is good news in these times...

And can you find anything non-generic these days, after all?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.billboard.com/amp/articles/business/chart-beat/9458534/new-order-first-airplay-chart-appearance-1993-be-a-rebel

negative1 wrote: all the mixes on it.

Of which there may be a few now. Mark Reeder confirmed a bunch to me ahead of my review (see the footnotes)

Now on BBC Radio2 playlist B. Think that means it’ll get played almost daily.

I’ve heard it a few times on Absolute Radio as well in case that hasn’t been mentioned.

I hope there isn’t going to be a Japanese cd with a remix that’s not on iTunes.

rosygale wrote: I’ve heard it a few times on Absolute Radio as well in case that hasn’t been mentioned.

I hope there isn’t going to be a Japanese cd with a remix that’s not on iTunes.

Yep. That’s pretty annoying. Hoping that the standard UK CD single will have all the remixes.

Adidas advert version presumably.

[TWITTER]1315686734613676034[/TWITTER]

Debaser wrote: Adidas advert version presumably.

[TWITTER]1315686734613676034[/TWITTER]

Is it coming today or next Wednesday

??? tomorrow, no?

Jcp7 wrote: ??? tomorrow, no?

Oh yes I thought today was Wednesday. Thanks

"Renegade Spezial Edit" available now... In this neck of the woods anyhow.

Don't mind this mix, of course it ends annoyingly soon.

So guess this is the edited version of "Bernard's Renegade Mix". Sounds potentially more interesting that the regular single versions, but as Depthcharge stated, it's extremely short - only 3:10, and the beat doesn't kick in until 1:52 - so looking forward to the full length version of this mix for sure!

https://boomkat.com/products/be-a-rebel-renegade-spezial-edit

Listened on Spotify. Not sure about it on first couple listens. There’s a LOT of vocoder.

For those without spotify - it's also on the NO youtube channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZrY0yEb130

some nice breakdowns, but not sure what the point of releasing this edit is?

Just give us the damn 12" already!

Debaser wrote: Adidas advert version presumably.

Yes and no - the start and end are the same as the Adidas advert version, but not the middle part. The Adidas version is also half the length

So both these are different edits of Bernard's Renegade mix i guess

Not sure I can be arsed this time around. After Rest Of, once bitten and all that.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Debaser wrote: Adidas advert version presumably.

Yes and no - the start and end are the same as the Adidas advert version, but not the middle part. The Adidas version is also half the length

So both these are different edits of Bernard's Renegade mix i guess

Well of course I would expect it to be edited differently to the advert. I meant the mix.

NotAMod wrote: It's whetting our appetite for the 12" and CD single, which is frustratingly still 4 weeks away. Better than nothing at this point, though.

What CD single? I know press releases/articles mentioned there'd be one, but I wasn't aware one had been formally announced yet?

Mr Discography wrote:

NotAMod wrote: It's whetting our appetite for the 12" and CD single, which is frustratingly still 4 weeks away. Better than nothing at this point, though.

What CD single? I know press releases/articles mentioned there'd be one, but I wasn't aware one had been formally announced yet?

there might be one at some point, most likely digital

GotBlueEyes wrote: For those without spotify - it's also on the NO youtube channel

that youtube link doesnt work this works for me..

some nice breakdowns, but not sure what the point of releasing this edit is?

Just give us the damn 12" already!

the edit is just preparing people for the full version.

later -1

Thanks for the embedded youtube, -1.

I may be the only one but c.30 seconds in, this synth bass reminds me a bit of WIM (Subbuteo) Remix.

I like it. 👍

NotAMod wrote:

Be a shame if that is not happening now, but we'll have to wait and see.

I'm sure it'll happen. I can't see them backing down now.

NotAMod wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

NotAMod wrote: It's whetting our appetite for the 12" and CD single, which is frustratingly still 4 weeks away. Better than nothing at this point, though.

What CD single? I know press releases/articles mentioned there'd be one, but I wasn't aware one had been formally announced yet?

Yes, there is nothing available for pre-order but I'm simply going on the band's the official web site.

The single is available digitally now and will be followed by 12”, CD and a digital bundle, featuring remixes.

Be a shame if that is not happening now, but we'll have to wait and see.

I imagine if it does happen it will be like the Music Complete era CD singles I.e. 5 or 6 tracks encompassing everything.

The CD singles from the Japanese box had more tracks than the UK issues. Restless added the Agoria Dub. Tutti Frutti added the Tom Rowlands Remix (which was added to the UK Singularity disc) and the Tokkyu Shino Remix. Singularity added the JS Zeiter Remix Instrumental.

People on the High Line was released after the box, but I'm not aware of a Japanese issue of that single.

Of course there will be a CD single - this is Mute.

The 12" initially offered up is billed as limited edition on grey vinyl. I'm sure there will be a standard black 12", a CD single, and a bundle of both with possibly something else like a t-shirt available as we get closer to the official November release date. Since this is one-off single - not tied to an album campaign (i.e. several singles to spread things out) - I would imagine all the mixes are available on the CD. It's not even a particularly dancey song, so how many remixes can there be?

Andy wrote: Tutti Frutti added the Tom Rowlands Remix (which was added to the UK Singularity disc) and the Tokkyu Shino Remix.

What about the Takkyu Ishino remix?

Debaser wrote:

Andy wrote: Tutti Frutti added the Tom Rowlands Remix (which was added to the UK Singularity disc) and the Tokkyu Shino Remix.

What about the Takkyu Ishino remix?

I regret my error.

Not sure why I messed that up so badly. I have the Japanese box and the 12" with that mix (the last record, barring what's in the Definitive boxes, that I will ever buy).

What a sneaky little track 'Be A Rebel' is.

It's been out for over a month, sounded like a demo when I first heard it and left me indifferent (see my previous post in this thread)... Yet... The bugger has been creeping up on me in the last week or so. I think I actually like it now. Most songs by any artist take no more than three or four listens until i really decide if I like them or not, but there's suddenly something about this after many listens with no reaction. I think the edit of Bernard's remix teases a more sophisticated version that may well be the best version, but I'm now enjoying its positive lyrics and string sounds that reminds me a little bit of 'Regret' - particularly in my favourite few seconds of the song at the "there will come a day" start of the second verse.. In fact, I think the song is evocative of 'Republic', but in a nice, sunny 1993 way.

By no means anywhere near their best song, but I've definitely warmed to it. Looking forward to the twelve inch next month. Definitely a very slow burner.

Still really liking it, maybe even more so.The synths that come in at around 10 seconds on the edit and around 14 seconds on the full are classic NO, up there with their finest moments on record.I'm serious, they really stir the feels as the kids say or might say these days.Bernard's lyrics , despite seeming maybe a bit naff at first, are great and i like his vocal on Be A Rebel.Yeah, some of the sounds elsewhere on the song are a little generic and unimaginative but the upbeat feel and vibe to the song wins you over that.

Fotz wrote:

No, it's fine but they've done far better than this. Play PCL, Technique and then this. Actually, don't. When it was included in that recent Top 10, there was derision all round. I think people are just inclined to be generous cos we're happy to get anything and apparently there's this virusy thing going around. Perfectly up to standard, but the opening of Ceremony still sends shivers down the spine. Imagine Be A Rebel in 2060....

Mr Discography wrote: positive lyrics and string sounds evocative of 'Republic',

HUH? Yeah, they're normally growers, but I haven't heard it enough yet. There's something off about downloading instead of proper CDs. 'There will come a day' is also on the Spice Girls' Goodbye single.

Seems like the quote option is broken. I didn’t type those words.

Monkhouse is broken. So much for that Oxbridge education...

Debaser wrote: So much for that Oxbridge education...

Footlights College, Oxbridge?

Oxbridge isn't on Googlemaps. I learnt that. I quoted the bit about one of their finest moments and then my post. Clearly the quote function is like my mother.

50poundnote wrote: Of course there will be a CD single - this is Mute.

The 12" initially offered up is billed as limited edition on grey vinyl.

Originally when I pre-ordered my copy on the Mute website on the first day, the Limited Edition Dove Grey 12" were noted "Limited Edition of 5000 worldwide". This mention of "5000 worldwide" has disappeared since ! 😕

I think Paul McCartney's new album will be a limited edition of 65328643808655327654789996422162837994270 copies. I remember the Spooky 12" was advertised as 'strictly limited, available for one week only'. I wasn't convinced but it probably helped sales. What a trainspotter I was. And you lot still are, but that's fine. Some people molest gorillas.

In A Noisy Place wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Of course there will be a CD single - this is Mute.

The 12" initially offered up is billed as limited edition on grey vinyl.

Originally when I pre-ordered my copy on the Mute website on the first day, the Limited Edition Dove Grey 12" were noted "Limited Edition of 5000 worldwide". This mention has disappeared since ! 😕

Amazon still says it Limited Edition

https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Limited-Dove-Grey-Vinyl/dp/B08HQ4XVFL/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=new+order+be+a+rebel+vinyl&qid=1603751121&sprefix=new+order+be+a+rebel&sr=8-1

Linus Solanki wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote:

50poundnote wrote: Of course there will be a CD single - this is Mute.

The 12" initially offered up is billed as limited edition on grey vinyl.

Originally when I pre-ordered my copy on the Mute website on the first day, the Limited Edition Dove Grey 12" were noted "Limited Edition of 5000 worldwide". This mention has disappeared since ! 😕

Amazon still says it Limited Edition

https://www.amazon.com/Rebel-Limited-Dove-Grey-Vinyl/dp/B08HQ4XVFL/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=new+order+be+a+rebel+vinyl&qid=1603751121&sprefix=new+order+be+a+rebel&sr=8-1

I talked about the "5000 worldwide" mention that has disappeared

Just a week to go until this single comes out, which means I'll probably get the 12" single I ordered a week or two after it's released. It will be interesting to hear the mixes.

trafaelwyr wrote: Just a week to go until this single comes out, which means I'll probably get the 12" single I ordered a week or two after it's released. It will be interesting to hear the mixes.

Yes I am also looking forward to listening to the remixes and get the Vinyl in my hands.

I'm surprised they haven't announced CD and digital versions of these remixes yet - perhaps with an instant grat download of one of the full length mixes from them.

However, I do love the idea that my first listen of the three new mixes will be on vinyl - the first time that will have happened for decades! Hoping the digital and CD releases come a week or two later, to make this 12" feel a little more special, even if just temporarily.

See someone has a pre-release copy and added it to discogs

https://www.discogs.com/New-Order-Be-A-Rebel/release/16178502

Packaged with a blue metallic ink outer sleeve and full colour inner sleeve. Includes a high definition download code.

That's good that it has a download code.

I really wish the reissue 12"s came with these, as I'm ending up forking out twice for each of these (vinyl & FLACs).

Different record labels etc...

All four EP tracks now available on Spotify.

Let the Bernard v Steve remix showdown commence...

Just had confirmation from Piccadilly Records it's on it's way. When it gets delivered is another matter. The way the post is at the moment most probably another week...

depthcharge wrote: All four EP tracks now available on Spotify.

Just grabbed the EP from iTunes Oz while I wait on Covid-postage timeframes for my 12" from Mute...

depthcharge wrote: Let the Bernard v Steve remix showdown commence...

First reactions... Both mixes are great - uptempo and joyous.

My prefer-o-meter is twitching slightly towards Bernard's mixes - great to hear his full Renegade version (and instrumental!) - with bass guitar, and I love the vocoder FX. Steve's driving his T34 straight through the front door of Italo House-night at his local community hall and its going off!

Gonna listen to these on repeat for the next few hours and then update the blog.

I just want them to announce the CD single.

Will have console myself with listening to it on streaming platforms.

depthcharge wrote: All four EP tracks now available on Spotify.

Argh! Tempted to listen but really want to hold out til tomorrow for delivery of the vinyl and listen first time on that.

Fotz wrote:

depthcharge wrote: All four EP tracks now available on Spotify.

Argh! Tempted to listen but really want to hold out til tomorrow for delivery of the vinyl and listen first time on that.

sAMe hErE😎

Wow, a rare post from Rocket. Thanks!

Mine was delivered today. It's beautiful and sounds fantastic. Steve's T34 Mix adds the bassline we all feel was missing from the standard version.

Debaser wrote:

none of those links work in the US.

later -1

☝️ Is it Friday yet in the US? No. Try after midnight your time. Or use a VPN.

It's weird. But I've thought this from the first time I heard it. There's so many traits in there that remind me of BLT. Even more so now. I think the Renegade mix highlights it a bit more. It's just a bit of "orchestral" synth and some of the structure of it. And I am liking the bit of bass guitar in it too. *waits for a slaying* 😁

I was growing increasingly p!$$ed off with wrong-headed iTunes authorisation idiocy when I finally managed to get the EP to correctly download, authorise and play.

And just like that, my mood was immediately brightened. 2 cracking remixes of a much needed 'up' choon.

Anyway you choose to, you'll enjoy this!!

Debaser wrote: ☝️ Is it Friday yet in the US? No. Try after midnight your time. Or use a VPN.

ok, the first 3 are working, but the last one isn't still.

thanks

later -1

negative1 wrote:

Debaser wrote: ☝️ Is it Friday yet in the US? No. Try after midnight your time. Or use a VPN.

ok, the first 3 are working, but the last one isn't still.

thanks

later -1

The last one is just the standard 4:48 mix, unless I'm mistaken.

Only just got around to listening to the new mixes. Rather wonderful, I think.

The song is so light and breezy and the remixes highlight certain elements that I hadn't really noticed in the standard mix.

I think the band should remix themselves more often. Would be nice to hear different versions of any future tracks.

perspexorange wrote: I just want them to announce the CD single.

Will have console myself with listening to it on streaming platforms.

Maybe they are waiting for the Mark Reeder Remixes to be finished so they can add it to the cd , it will probably have these 3 remixes plus more, I am only assuming

I was going to say the 12" comes with a download code for both MP3 and FLAC, so I was second-guessing whether a CD single release would happen, but I forgot about the Mark Reeder mixes.

Maybe a second 12" single with Reeder's mixes plus a CD combining everything?

12" vinyl delivered and sounds great.A good pressing.

negative1 wrote:

none of those links work in the US.

later -1

Debaser wrote: ☝️ Is it Friday yet in the US? No.

This made me laugh.Brilliant.

Is that a short clip from a video for the song on their Facebook?

Hmm. Interesting.

I guess we'll find out soon.

Nice 12”. All mixes have something to offer. I love barneys vocal on this track but at the same time loving Bernards instrumental version. Too much vocoder on his vocal mix. Very playable and addictive versions on this 12”

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I note that Mute issued some stickers to go with the release...

BazG wrote: I note that Mute issued some stickers to go with the release...

Yep, there was one in my box.

12 inch arrived just before my lunchtime whilst working from home. A welcome relief from the tedium, and great to hear these mixes for the first time direct from the vinyl.

The track has slowly grown on me, but the original mix still sounds very demo-like. Barney's mix is by far the best mix, despite not including quite all the lyrics and replacing some with the vocoder (which I love). Kind of a very cool hybrid of an extended mix and a dub mix. Love it, and as mentioned, the instrumental version also sounds fab.

Steve's mix is also great, but has more of a 90s Motiv8 remix feel to it, so it's all about the Barney mix for me. I like that the previously released shorter version of Barney's mix isn't a straightforward edit, but rather a different arrangement of the same mix with a slower build up - although the full mix is much better and just gets straight into the beats.

Interesting that both mixes feature bass guitar melody lines that are barely audible or non-existent in the single mix. Both remixes expose sound and rhythmic layers tucked away on the original mix that I hadn't picked out before - the light electronic tom drums, and "Hooky" bass riff (which is in the single mix just before the first chorus if you listen carefully) for example.

When you look back and think of all the acts they've produced or remixed over the years, it's amazing they've not thought to do their own individual band member remixes of their singles like this before, and I really love the concept. Who knows, maybe if Hooky had been encouraged to do his own mixes of their singles from 'True Faith' onwards for each 12" it might have made him less resentful when his bass was less prominent in the album versions.

Barney's done some wonderful remixes over the years (ACR's 'Wont Stop Loving You' and Years & Years' 'Sanctify' to name just two). This one is up with his very best.

An above average song, but a wonderful 12" release with some fab remixes.

50poundnote wrote:

BazG wrote: I note that Mute issued some stickers to go with the release...

Yep, there was one in my box.

Wow, I had put the box it came in on the pile of rubbish to chuck out , not knowing or seeing that there was a sticker inside somewhere. Went back and looked and there it was , inside a flap. Good job I saw these posts. Thanks !

All tracks up on Apple Music now too.

And Spotify.

Stephen’s mix getting the heaviest rotation for me so far.

Fotz wrote: Is that a short clip from a video for the song on their Facebook?

Oh, I see...

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Fotz wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

BazG wrote: I note that Mute issued some stickers to go with the release...

Yep, there was one in my box.

Wow, I had put the box it came in on the pile of rubbish to chuck out , not knowing or seeing that there was a sticker inside somewhere. Went back and looked and there it was , inside a flap. Good job I saw these posts. Thanks !

Same here - just salvaged from the recycling!

Thanks

I tagged Mark Reeder about when we'll hear his Be a Rebel remix in a Tweet regarding Stephen and Bernards. In addition to his reply, he was nice enough to DM me with more detail:

"I have no idea re the BAR release date. everything got delayed (even though i finished my rmx first, back in august) hopefully, it will be worthy of inclusion on the vinyl/physical release, but i guess that will all depend on how many likes i get or how many people write to mute..."

It's seems bizarre to me that Twitter "likes" and people pestering Mute would determine if and when they release something that's already complete.

Got the 12 inch yesterday, and found the stickers.

I cut a little slit in the side, and stuffed it into that so I won't lose it someday.

Packed away the box, with the rest of the other records. Maybe someday I will open it up to look at it.

later -1

The fact that Bernard discussed recovering from COVID-19 in the interview I posted drew focus away from what I think is the most interesting bit: That Be a Rebel is about his youngest son struggling in school due to not fitting in. Bernard also had this issue which explains the "...it's a family affair" lyric. Overall, this has given me a new appreciation for the song, just as much as the remixes having beefed up the sound.

Amazon are knocking out the digital 4 tracks for £1.79 which is a bargain, I think. Enjoying the tracks, still can't quite shake the feeling the original version is going to go into Sink Or Swim by Bad Loo at any minute but the remixes are lovely.

My vinyl still hasn't arrived. Not had any parcels via Royal Mail for over 2 weeks now. 😭

My vinyl arrived early this past week. Thanks for the heads up about the stickers. Now we just have to wait for the new album.

Someone noted on Facebook that Barney's mixes are different on the vinyl and download - something about being slightly longer on the vinyl and not featuring the pretend "Hooky" guitar. Someone suggested Barney tweaked the mixes slightly after they'd gone off to be pressed.

Not checked yet myself, but will do a comparison this evening...

Hmmm, interesting.

Will be keen to know if they are different.

Mr Discography wrote: Someone noted on Facebook that Barney's mixes are different on the vinyl and download - something about being slightly longer on the vinyl and not featuring the pretend "Hooky" guitar. Someone suggested Barney tweaked the mixes slightly after they'd gone off to be pressed.

Not checked yet myself, but will do a comparison this evening...

Hmm... I think it did seem like extra guitar on the download of one or both Bernard mixes compared to the vinyl but I just assumed I simply hadn’t been listening closely enough to the vinyl. Will have to compare again.

Yes, on the download version of Bernard's Renegade mix there is a guitar solo from 3.43 to 4.12 that isn't on the vinyl version.On the vinyl version the same melody in that time section is on a synth instead. The download version length is 6.25 whereas the vinyl i timed at a bit longer at around 6.31

On Bernard's Renegade instrumental there is a guitar solo from 3.22 to 4.02 on the download which doesn't appear at all on the vinyl.The download version of that mix is 6.18 whereas on the vinyl it's 6.31 again.

Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.

Fotz wrote: Yes, on the download version of Bernard's Renegade mix there is a guitar solo from 3.43 to 4.12 that isn't on the vinyl version.On the vinyl version the same melody in that time section is on a synth instead. The download version length is 6.25 whereas the vinyl i timed at a bit longer at around 6.31

On Bernard's Renegade instrumental there is a guitar solo from 3.22 to 4.02 on the download which doesn't appear at all on the vinyl.The download version of that mix is 6.18 whereas on the vinyl it's 6.31 again.

thanks, i'll have to make a note of that when i update my listings for their songs.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.

I suspect it's merely a mistake, no different than the variations of In a Lonely Place.

Andy wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Thanks for the update Fotz.

I wonder why they were changed.

I suspect it's merely a mistake, no different than the variations of In a Lonely Place.

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

Johnny James wrote:

it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

Thanks, that seemed more likely to me. It's one thing to miss spotting a mix that has a few thunderclaps a bit higher in the mix, and allowing that slip out. It seems another entirely to miss spotting mixes that have additional guitar parts.

If we were back in the Factory days though, I'd totally believe it was a mistake.

Well I ripped the vinyl versions of Bernard’s renegade and renegade instrumental so anyone that didn’t buy the vinyl and hadn’t heard the versions without guitar , PM me with an email address and I can send them using WeTransfer.

The rips aren’t brilliant quality as my ripping software isn’t the best but they’re fairly listenable.

I've sent you a PM.

Thank you Fotz

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.

In A Noisy Place wrote: Thank you Fotz

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.

Just replayed the vinyl versions and actually, I think the verse intro just before the vocals start is four bars longer than the digital version - although I haven't double checked the digital mix yet

Mr Discography wrote:

In A Noisy Place wrote: Thank you Fotz

I listened to and compared the two versions of the Bernard's Renegade mix. The structures are the same. IMO, the different timings are due to the speed of the vinyl.

Just replayed the vinyl versions and actually, I think the verse intro just before the vocals start is four bars longer than the digital version - although I haven't double checked the digital mix yet

The extra 4 bars on the vinyl version is at the 4 minute mark where the drums drop out

If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker? There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

I just bought the FLACs of the ‘digital’ versions and thought it might be nice to have a copy of the sticker scan for the appropriate folder.

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.

The five of them need to take heed and start working on some other tracks.

perspexorange wrote:

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.

i think it proves:

1. there's nothing else new to talk about
2. the discussion about all the tracks in power corruption lies boxset has come to an end, even though there's a lot more to discuss there
3. the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

this just happened to be convenient, because its the first new/old music from them in a long time.

later -1

Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.

perspexorange wrote: Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.

Yet still exhibits more enthusiasm than Skunkhouse.

negative1 wrote:

i think it proves:

3. the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

Mm. What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

https://store.neworder.com/uk/apparel/christmas-range.html

Andy wrote:

perspexorange wrote: Crikey!

Talk about being a fun-sponge.

Yet still exhibits more enthusiasm than Skunkhouse.

We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.

Johnny James wrote:

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.

negative1 wrote:

perspexorange wrote:

PS 10 pages of discussion of one track. Most of it positive too (although negative opinions are good too). That’s pretty decent and proves that we all still love the band.

i think it proves:

1. there's nothing else new to talk about
2. the discussion about all the tracks in power corruption lies boxset has come to an end, even though there's a lot more to discuss there
3. the band isn't doing anything else, besides books and interviews, and not many people are talking about that

this just happened to be convenient, because its the first new/old music from them in a long time.

later -1

I don't always agree with -1 but he has some fair points. Somewhere on here I mentioned that an AOC writing session makes the hairs on my arms stand up in a way that BAR just doesn't. I stand by that. Also thinking back to Music Complete, I don't think any of the album tracks had ten pages of thread dedicated to them, and yet most of those tracks are better than this one. Now if Unlearn This Hatred or Nothing But A Fool had just been released for the first time, I would personally be much more excited than I currently am...

BazG wrote:

What about THE CHRISTMAS RANGE!

Haha! Hooky mentioned that Bernard realised the power of the NO name during the Bad Loo period. The branded wallets, bags and PCL socks certainly show that NO aren't afraid to cash in on the name these days.

tapebias wrote:

We need militant voices like MM's + others or they'll sit on their arses doing podcasts and talking about the past for the rest of their days. A mediocre single after 5 years that sounds like Sophie EllisBextor isnt a good sign and reckon that's it as far as new material goes.

I think Music Complete was done to show PH they could still do it but thats it now - pipe and slippers time.

As you allude to in your own comments those militant voices probably aren't gonna stop "pipe and slippers time". I suspect Bernard et al will listen to us about as much as they listen to social media comments saying "bury the hatchet with Hooky". If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...

Debaser wrote:

Johnny James wrote:

No, it's because Bernard kept tweaking it after the vinyl had been cut. The lead-in times are so long for vinyl and he wasn't done with it.

So those of us who paid f**k-all for the download have got a more "complete music" than those who forked out for the vinyl. Lovely.

You got the download for free? I’m assuming from a filesharing site then? Fair play, I’ve done that many times before.

I bought the vinyl and it had a download code for the different mixes that Bernard tweaked the guitar parts on to, the “ complete music “ versions.

I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.

negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)

If everyone said "Im not gonna buy another NO gig ticket until they release a new album", it might have an effect. But we have two hopes of that happening. And Bob Hope is already a gonner...

I boycotted NO gigs from 2006 and their next album was Lost Sirens so that kind of backfired and I haven't been back as it's much the same (apart from MIF).

The only thing I've bought since was Music Complete on CD. No box sets/12" reissues, or PCL socks so I'm probably not their target market. I might buy Steve's book though.

Debaser wrote:

Fotz wrote: Is that a short clip from a video for the song on their Facebook?

Oh, I see...

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Incoming:

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Ah. I just saw that on Facebook and was wondering...

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perspexorange wrote: I wouldn't disagree with what -1 is saying.

I think I was just trying to see the positives out of this. 10 pages is pretty good for a thread on these boards. There's so little being discussed 'round here these days, with only a handful of us regularly posting. Imagine if either Be A Rebel or the PC&L set hadn't been released this year. I'm not sure where our energies would've been focussed on. Probably not on these boards, sadly.

As I mentioned, all comments are good, both positive and negative. It's just great to have some discussion.

negative1 - My 'fun sponge' comment was made with tongue planted firmly in cheek.
I was just jokingly reacting to the fact that you'd brought me back down to Earth with a bump, using a good solid dose of 'fact'. :-)

there would still be 10 pages of discussion between just the few people that constantly post. like us, because we talk about little detail.

half of these pages are filled with. when is it coming out, i ordered it, i got it, i hate it, etc........ so that's not really adding much.

as far as discussion goes, we're discussing the discussion of the discussion. kinda meta right.

anyways, back to cataloging tracks.

later -1

perspexorange wrote: If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker? There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

There is a scan on the discogs entry

No comment.

GotBlueEyes wrote:

perspexorange wrote: If anyone has access to a reasonable scanner, and also has the vinyl, any chance of a scan of the Mute sticker? There’s a sample photo a page or so back, which gives an idea of what it’s like. Would just be nice to get an actual scan.

There is a scan on the discogs entry

Thanks for that. Appreciated.

I didn't think to look there. D'oh!

I also got a scan from Fotz.

Nice mention on the front page of Pitchfork.

I somehow missed this article when it came out in 2016. Makes me think even less of Hook (as if that were possible).

Great article. Thanks for the link. I hadn't read it before.

To be honest, a lot of what was said regarding Hooky wasn't news to me, and I'm pleased that (again) she didn't use this interview to be particularly critical of him. She just used it as a platform to defend her contribution (and bloody right too!).

What I took away from the article most was what a remarkable human being she is. She put in the long hours and helped define the band both musically and (as Johnny Marr so rightly stated recently) their image.

Then, in later life, she's had to put up with criticism from a fellow bandmate (not to mention a few fans). All this, whilst having to fight Cancer, having a child with a significant illness / disability (*), and having to leave behind something in her life that was (presumably) massively important to her.

She's a class act. For sure.

(*) No easy feat. Take it from me. :-)

Wow, just noticed the following.

Note the joining date and post count.

Separated at birth?

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

Video first view- What was that all about? What does it all mean?

Second view- nope, still can’t relate or interpret

Third view some hours later after a few beers - fuck it, it’s quite cool either way.

Though the scenes where the woman is surrounded by ghostly sheeted figures reminds of a nightmare I had as a kid, ghostly figures in sheets surrounding my bed. Woah.

I've just finished watching the video for the first time and I must admit that I like it quite a lot! Be a Rebel remains a weak song to my ears but this video works quite well with it and adds some substance (...) to it. A good surprise!

Fotz wrote: Video first view- What was that all about? What does it all mean?

Second view- nope, still can’t relate or interpret

Third view some hours later after a few beers - fuck it, it’s quite cool either way.

Though the scenes where the woman is surrounded by ghostly sheeted figures reminds of a nightmare I had as a kid, ghostly figures in sheets surrounding my bed. Woah.

The "official explanation..."

The music video follows a young couple trapped in a state of purgatory, the woman informing her former lover that she has met someone else. The synths begin to swell he lays in a bed looking off in despair, the woman sitting a desk anxious to get out. She shoots him with an arrow, the video depicting his sense of heartbreak at their ending relationship. A disc slips out of his chest as the track continues its enthusiastic synths, the two soon dancing in colorful hues.

Sort of got lost with the last sentence.

It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

perspexorange wrote: It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

I think they are doing these type of loud colorful videos for maybe get the younger viewers attention but I prefer the WFTSC call video where the boy is running around in UK in a small town with the nice scenery, I would have loved it if the shot the video in Manchester with the old building and the old cobble streets on a grey wet day.

More to the point - it's yet another edit/mix of the song. The first 30 seconds or so are different to the regular single edit - albeit pretty much identical thereafter

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

I only put my hands down my pants for one celebrity "musician", and she's a scouser in a tracksuit. The fact that I now have a 150 foot restraining order just because i repeatedly offered to spice up her life is neither here nor there. Cos I'm in Rome which is waaay more than 150 feet from Sporty's house!

Oh shit, wrong login

Debaser wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

perspexorange wrote: She's a class act.

She's always been my favorite member, hands-down.

(Monkhouse, no jokes about your hands on your member, please.)

I only put my hands down my pants for one celebrity "musician", and she's a scouser in a tracksuit. The fact that I now have a 150 foot restraining order just because i repeatedly offered to spice up her life is neither here nor there. Cos I'm in Rome which is waaay more than 150 feet from Sporty's house!

Oh shit, wrong login

This made me laugh.

The game is up now. You've been found out.

Linus Solanki wrote:

perspexorange wrote: It’s a reasonable effort, IMO, but not something I’m going to rush to watch again.

I quite liked some of the imagery, especially the ‘emotions’ written on the floor, like gaping chasms.

It kind of reminded me of the ‘Restless’ video. Both of them are the same sort of ‘playful bollocks’, as I like to call things like this. Fun, but frivolous.

I think they are doing these type of loud colorful videos for maybe get the younger viewers attention

Yeah i get what you mean about the Restless vid, some of it did seem to be trying to appeal to a younger audience.

perspexorange wrote: This made me laugh.

The game is up now. You've been found out.

Me too! 😂 😂 😂

GotBlueEyes wrote: More to the point - it's yet another edit/mix of the song. The first 30 seconds or so are different to the regular single edit - albeit pretty much identical thereafter

No it's not. It's the single edit, but with a thunderclap overlaid at the start with the music slightly lower and reverberated during the sound effect. Probably done during the production of the video for (who knows) "dramatic" effect. Not a different edit or mix of the song, just a common trick some video directors add at the start or end of videos.

Mark Reeder time? Gotta be.

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EDIT: Looks like tomorrows package of mixes will be subtitled [Remixes pt1] suggesting more mixes to follow.

I've heard about 5 mins of the Maceo Plex (!) remix. It certainly kicks more ass than the original. Although Bernard's vocal is perhaps a bit too high and bright in the mix - at least until the vox drop out for quite long periods. I thought it was Neil Tennant for a moment! Alas Maceo can't resist a nod to Blue Monday (the Kraftwerk bit). This has been done by other NO remixers in the past. Maybe NO need to issue an edict to remixers: No more nods to BM. Maceo has enough ideas of his own, he doesn't need to do this. But overall it's still worth a listen. Oh also the "Be A Rebel" line is backwards. How very Dave Clarke!

☝️ Actually we may have to wait a bit longer for Reeder's mix. I think we're getting: Bernard's outlaw mix. Not the most exciting.

Paul Woolford Mix. Starts ok and then gets better. Manages to remind me of both PSB and Dead Or Alive (percussion/claps).

Maceo Plex mix As described in my post above.

Nonplussed by the two new remixes. As mentioned, one samples Blue Monday, the other has a bit of Bizarre Love Triangle 12" intro in there. Always takes me out of the mix/track when bits of other songs crop up.

The Bernard Outlaw win is virtually identital to the digital Renegade mix, just with the piano riff from the original single mix added to the chorus and the odd whizzy sound effect. More of an alternate take than a different mix, so bit of a pointless release. So now I make it we have six different versions of Bernard's Remix!

Hoping for better mixes in part two!

I have a reputation to maintain. Wanking contest. I came first hands down by a long shot, beating off some stiff competition. I think I jerked off to Gillian once, but in those days I'd grab anything with my free hand. Not the best session, partly cos she has the charisma of a mongoose, mainly cos I was scared the pause function would go off just before me and I'd splatter Hooky's beard. I haven't listened to Mucous Complete for a while. The last thing I heard was of course Be A Rebel and the last thing I bought was probably MILF. Great to hear them finally digging out some gems instead of the usual formula. Can't be arsed with all the other live CDs, but as I said before, you don't have to buy anything, what with YouTube and crud like International. Last wankend I saw One of Hooky's live albums and honestly, what's the point? The Light are a great night out but why shell out for carbon copies with shit vocals? Interesting too that the Jiz Coldman collaboration namechecks JD and not NO, whose music was, according to Hooky, far stronger. Have fun.

Thanks for heads up on these, D.Total playing time of the 3 new mixes was around 18 minutes which just happened to be about how long my drive to work is , so i got through them on the journey this morn.Yep, glad i'm not the only one who spotted a split second of BLT in one of the mixes.Some good moments in the first 2 mixes but like Debaser said, the choral thing from BM - could have done without yet again.And yes Bernard's vocal seemed high on one of the mixes.On Bernard's Outlaw mix there's only one or two bits added on from his renegade mix.

50poundnote wrote: Nice mention on the front page of Pitchfork.

I somehow missed this article when it came out in 2016. Makes me think even less of Hook (as if that were possible).

Sorry but I couldn't help laughing at 'Gillian faced that exact situation' when it'd been so obviously set up. What do you do if you're called Michael Monkhouse, you have a pitiable obsession with a crap girl ''band'' that went out of fashion 26 years ago and even then they were shit, you lose 70% of your work thanks to covid and you want to be a stand-up comedian but you are total and utter fucking shit? Well... Michael Monkhouse, who has a pitiable obsession with a crap girl ''band'' that went out of fashion 26 years ago and even then they were shit, lost 70% of his work thanks to covid and wants to be a stand-up comedian but is total and utter fucking shit, faces THIS VERY SITUATION.

Love Paul Woolford's mix by a mile. It feels like a classic New Order 12". And I'm not fussed by the little snare-skip or reverse orchestra hit lifted from Bizarre Love Triangle...because at least it's not Blue Monday.

I'm actually surprised they've never done a Bizarre Love Triangle ['year] 12", but they'd be hard pressed to improve on Richard X's mix from 2005.

Mark Reeder DM'd me again (should I be concerned?) regarding his mix.

"my NO remix wont be in this package. it comes later. meanwhile heres a link to my album as a consolation prize. hope you like it. m"

I thanked him.

"you‘re welcome andrew. if you like it, please feel free to share the link (in a tweet :) btw there will be two NO remix bundles. mine will be in bundle nr 2 (whenever that is). m"

I bought his LP and then told him I'd share the link even if I didn't like the LP! Fortunately, what I heard sounds good so: BandCamp

Maceo Plex full length

Maceo Plex edit

Paul Woolford edit (I can't find the full length at the mo)

Bernard's Outlaw mix

Liking a lot the Paul Woolford and Maceo Plex mixes on more listening. The first 20 seconds or so of the Maceo Plex full length mix at first reminded me a little of As You Said by JD. Then later it goes a bit Born Slippy beat but slower. Born Slippy meets that Kraftwerk/BM choral sound .

Fotz wrote: Liking a lot the Paul Woolford and Maceo Plex mixes on more listening. The first 20 seconds or so of the Maceo Plex full length mix at first reminded me a little of As You Said by JD. Then later it goes a bit Born Slippy beat but slower. Born Slippy meets that Kraftwerk/BM choral sound .

neither one is very good. the maceo one is like a poormans megamix, with some overused elements in it. the paul woolford mix doesn't bring anything new to the song, and is too basic to improve over the new order mixes.

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negative1 wrote: neither one is very good. the maceo one is like a poormans megamix, with some overused elements in it. the paul woolford mix doesn't bring anything new to the song, and is too basic to improve over the new order mixes.

Always a ray of sunshine. 🙄

negative1 wrote:

Fotz wrote: Liking a lot the Paul Woolford and Maceo Plex mixes on more listening. The first 20 seconds or so of the Maceo Plex full length mix at first reminded me a little of As You Said by JD. Then later it goes a bit Born Slippy beat but slower. Born Slippy meets that Kraftwerk/BM choral sound .

neither one is very good. the maceo one is like a poormans megamix, with some overused elements in it. the paul woolford mix doesn't bring anything new to the song, and is too basic to improve over the new order mixes.

later -1

I thought the same. I didn’t like the remixes at all.

You can't polish a turd can you? OK, I'm exagerating, Be a Rebel is a decent song not a turd but it isn't great. The Maceo Plex remix is really bad to my ears. Won't listen to it twice for sure. I'll probably give Paul Woolford's a second chance but I don't expect it to charm me. In the end Bernard's Outlaw mix is the most interesting but not great either.

I'm just listening. The Paul Woolford mix is just basically "Looking For Me" vs "Be A Rebel" with a bit of mixing with a few sound alike samples from BLT thrown in. Doesn't seem like much effort was put into it. The Maceo Plex remix is almost bordering on an industrial dance version with tinges of Blue Monday. Not sure how good it would work on the dancefloor though. Going to have to listen to these a few times but the original is still my favourite, but again that's the one I've listened to most. Not sure these mixes are going to sway my opinion though.

Just read this on the Mute Records site: "Bernard Sumner has revisited his earlier ‘Be A Rebel’ remixes and combined the best into his Outlaw mix."

So, I'm guessing Barney's just been a bit indecisive on this remix and kept tweaking after it was sent for vinyl press, and again after its first digital release. Does that mean he considers the Outlaw mix the final, definitive version?

I actually like the second of the three variants best (i.e. the Renegade mix on the first digital release), as the "Hooky" guitar is a nice addition, and it has more space in the mix than the Outlaw version, which is beginning to sound more crowded now - although the Outlaw mix does have a warmer bottom end/bass to it than the digital Renegade Mix.

Wonder which of Bernard's mixes will feature on any CD single that might eventually get released?

is this for real?

1 new order - be a rebel (parallel universe remix) 4:47

sounds real enough and is different from the others

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Is this one of the fan-made mixes, which has a 'Hooky-style' bass-line? Hence the term 'parallel universe', i.e. if Hooky was still in the band.

perspexorange wrote: Is this one of the fan-made mixes, which has a 'Hooky-style' bass-line? Hence the term 'parallel universe', i.e. if Hooky was still in the band.

yeah, i think thats it.

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negative1 wrote: is this for real?

No. It popped up on YouTube about 48 hours after Be A Rebel was shared back in September.

Completist request: The "Maceo Plex Remix Edit" seems to be YouTube-only right now.

Anyone found a legit digital source for purchase? Ripping from YouTube is a last resort for me.

No guarantees this would make it onto any CD release - if that ever sees the light of day.

Wow last Friday’s Pete Tong show on BBC Radio 1 which is probably one of the biggest dance shows which people listen to all over the world, the first song he played was the Be A Rebel (Paul Woolford Remix)

Hope the remix and the song gets good exposure

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000q87j

Linus Solanki wrote:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000q87j

The house piano sounded upfront in that mix, vocals were all chopped up, and there were more vocoder-only parts than the Woolford remix edit.

Excerpt of the full length Woolford remix? Could be one for the next remix bundle along with the Reeder.