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EmileStrunz wrote:
Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C\_jKPSqRfZR/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp
That's pretty good. Sounds a decent remix. I'm unfamiliar with 'Bottom Heavy'. I'd be happy to have this remix on any boxset.
Debaser wrote:
Johnny James wrote:
There's a Marmion remix of The Perfect Kiss (that was unreleased), they later reworked it into a new track of their own (can't remember what it was called though).
I've had a look through Marmion's Discogs page and can't find anything that sounds like it samples Perfect Kiss. The closest thing I found was a track called No Particular Order (-a clue in the name?) which seems to have a big nod to Uranium or Blue Monday circa 3:16, and I guess the percussion at 3:29 almost sounds like a sped up sample of the percussion from Perfect Kiss's intro. But nothing really jumps out at me as "Perfect Kiss" in this track, or indeed any of their others listed on Discogs.
Mr Discography wrote:
I wouldn't expect any more 'Blue Monday 1988' mixes to appear on the 'Technique' set - it's been covered in the re-released 12" and the 'Brotherhood' set.
I find myself agreeing. I think the Blue Monday 1988 Cassette mixes were on the same tape as the Technique demos, weren't they? But also I think by the time we get to Technique it's a different era from Blue Monday so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to include the track again.
Mr Discography wrote:
From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.
Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)
PS Gah, again the forum is accusing me of SPAM. Boy this is too much!
That's the one, sounds very similar except for the added Uranium bit, which to be honest, improves it compared to TPK one. There wasn't much in the way of TPK samples originally, no vocals either.
Johnny James wrote:
That's the one, sounds very similar except for the added Uranium bit, which to be honest, improves it compared to TPK one. There wasn't much in the way of TPK samples originally, no vocals either.
Thanks. The chances of a remix sounding better than Perfect Kiss original were always going to be slim I guess.
Incidentally, anyone who's reading this: the bit at the end (6:32 onwards) reminds me of the end of a NO track (I think?) but I can't figure out which one. Anyone?
EmileStrunz wrote: Slightly off-topic but…
If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.
It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.
Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C\_jKPSqRfZR/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp
That mix sounds absolutely incredible. Now I want to hear all of it.
Has anyone here had any photos or memorabilia of theirs featured in any of the books included in these box sets?
I’ve got a couple of photos of billboards around Manchester, advertising Technique and the Factory office covered in posters before it was renovated.
Just wondered who would be best to get in touch with regarding these, if I can find them! Johnny James?
Yep. I have the massive ‘Concert’ poster for SEC and NEC beautifully (and expensively) framed that is currently gathering dust in my garage as it’s just too big for any room in the house. (I was living in a flat with really high ceilings, but then moved in with partner) It really needs to be seen more widely or displayed somewhere.
Subvulture wrote:
EmileStrunz wrote: Slightly off-topic but…
If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.
It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.
Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C\_jKPSqRfZR/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp
That mix sounds absolutely incredible. Now I want to hear all of it.
inspired by this, i made two different attempts with the mixes with the world lyrics......
will post in the 'covers' thread:
http://forums.neworderonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3575&p=3#
parts of it sound pretty good...
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Been thinking about which 12" singles might be released to accompany future Definitive Editions. There's no ambiguity between albums and their associated singles for albums after Brotherhood & Substance. I'd imagine the tracklistings of the original 12 inches will be exactly reproduced for Technique's singles, but find myself wondering if there's a better combination of consolidated tracks and B-sides that could be on the re-released 12 inches from 'Republic' onwards, given the plethora of remixes on them originally. Plus '60 Miles An Hour's and 'Waiting For The Sirens's Call' were never originally released on 12", and neither was the US only 'Guilt Is A Useless Emotion'. Be great if they could include some newly created extended "band" versions of the tracks from 'Regret' onwards, like they did for all the 'Music Complete' tracks.
Here's how it breaks down:
Technique 1. Fine Time 2. Fine Time Remix 3. Round & Round 4. Round & Remix 5. Run 2 6. World In Motion 7. World In Motion Remix
Republic 1. Regret 2. Ruined In A Day 3. World 4. Spooky 5. True Faith 94 6. 1963 95 7. Blue Monday 95
Get Ready 1. Crystal NUOX8 2. Crystal NUOXX8 3. Crystal NUOXXX8 4. [60 Miles An Hour (CD single only)] 5. Someone Like You (2 x 12") NUOX10 6. Someone Like You NUOXX10 7. Here To Stay
Waiting For The Sirens' Call / Lost Sirens 1. Krafty 2. Jetstream 3. [Waiting For The Sirens' Call (3 x 7")] 4. [Guilt Is A Useless Emotion (US CD single only)]
What tracks would you guys like to see on these future reissues? And how many 12" singles do you think they should re-release? Surely not those 3 x 'Crystal' and 'Someone Like You' 12 inches all over again?
Mr Discography wrote: And how many 12" singles do you think they should re-release? Surely not those 3 x 'Crystal' and 'Someone Like You' 12 inches all over again?
They should do all of them. No exceptions
steinomite wrote:
100% in agreement. I've been waiting for something like this since like 1990. Considering that there have been extensive CD single box sets for artists like Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Morrissey, Cocteau Twins, even Joy Division, etc., it's rather shocking that this hasn't happened yet. Heck they even released a CD singles box for Wham! recently. While it's nice that these 12" remixes have been released digitally, I would still love to have well mastered hard copies on CD. -Mike
Yes please.
Mr. Disco wrote:
Mr Discography wrote: And how many 12" singles do you think they should re-release? Surely not those 3 x 'Crystal' and 'Someone Like You' 12 inches all over again?
They should do all of them. No exceptions
What do you think about the 3 singles not released on 12" - would you like to see new 12" issues for them?
I'm possibly in the minority here but, personally speaking, I don't really think that the Republic/GR/WFTSC mixes need multiple vinyl releases for each single `(unlike the Factory ones).
I'd be happy if they released one 12" for each, including one for both Someone Like You & Guilt Is A Useless Emotion, which were US?DJ/promos only.
I'd also be OK with them mixing up the contents so we just have the best mixes on each 12". I know 'best' is subjective, so maybe just the 'definitive' mix of each or, if that's not really easy to judge, the mix that's closer to the actual song itself. For instance, I don't really want to buy 12"s with mixes that barely feature the song on them (e.g. the dreadful Joe T. Vanelli mixes of 1963 which just feature a female vocalist singing 'Johnny').
Of course, if they do release 3 x Crystal etc., I'd inevitably get them. What a mug...
Mr Discography wrote: What do you think about the 3 singles not released on 12" - would you like to see new 12" issues for them?
To be honest, I'm not much a vinyl person. Just think they should keep coherent and reissue every 12". If Depeche Mode can do it, so can them.
Not sure about the 7"s, tho. I personally would prefer CD singles ![[:d]](/emoticons/biggrin.gif){kind=small}
Mr. Disco wrote:
Mr Discography wrote: What do you think about the 3 singles not released on 12" - would you like to see new 12" issues for them?
To be honest, I'm not much a vinyl person. Just think they should keep coherent and reissue every 12". If Depeche Mode can do it, so can them.
Not sure about the 7"s, tho. I personally would prefer CD singles
I've only ever bought any reissues if they offer something new, so the only two re-released 12 inches I bought were 'The Perfect Kiss' with the silver sleeve, and 'Sub-Culture' with the new sleeve (which I loved the simplicity of). Haven't bought any of the other reissued 12 inches, as I have the originals, but have bought all the Definitive Editions.
Know it's still rather a long way off, but was wondering if there were any predictions for video material that might end up on the technique boxset DVD's?
Judging by Youtube there doesn't seem to be all that much live material out there for this period, relatively speaking?
Cheers,
James.
Jcp7 wrote: VP, R&R, Run - Big world Café.
I think they did dream attack too but it wasn't broadcast...i'm sure i've seen it somewhere
Is 1963 from one of the american technique concerts on some dvd as an extra...so i'm guessing the full concert will have been filmed
lee wrote:
Jcp7 wrote: VP, R&R, Run - Big world Café.
I think they did dream attack too but it wasn't broadcast...i'm sure i've seen it somewhere
Yeah, Dream Attack was partially shown on a 'special' programme a few months later:
'Big World Café - Extra Special', Channel 4, 28/08/89
I think Johnny James mentioned that the footage from the two Big World Café shows was either unobtainable from the Channel Four archives or pretty much unusable. Or did I imagine this?
It's a shame if so, as I love that performance.
perspexorange wrote:
lee wrote:
Jcp7 wrote: VP, R&R, Run - Big world Café.
I think they did dream attack too but it wasn't broadcast...i'm sure i've seen it somewhere
Yeah, Dream Attack was partially shown on a 'special' programme a few months later:
'Big World Café - Extra Special', Channel 4, 28/08/89
I think Johnny James mentioned that the footage from the two Big World Café shows was either unobtainable from the Channel Four archives or pretty much unusable. Or did I imagine this?
It's a shame if so, as I love that performance.
The master of the main show is missing, so all we'll be able to do is use someone's VHS of it.
lee wrote:
Jcp7 wrote: VP, R&R, Run - Big world Café.
I think they did dream attack too but it wasn't broadcast...i'm sure i've seen it somewhere
Is 1963 from one of the american technique concerts on some dvd as an extra...so i'm guessing the full concert will have been filmed
There was that weird footage where Dream Attack was live but 1963 was dubbed over with the audio from the recorded version. Weird.
I reckon there’s a lot of live footage that just hasn’t been seen yet though.
Johnny James wrote:
The master of the main show is missing, so all we'll be able to do is use someone's VHS of it.
Thanks for confirming, JJ, I thought I hadn't imagined it.
Although, I'd be relatively happy with a remaster of a VHS (if that's all we can get), it would be frustrating that, presumably, the Dream Attack footage would remain incomplete.
Edit:
Hmmm - you mentioned 'main show'. I guess it's possibly that the master tape of the later 'Dream Attack' show, might still be available.
perspexorange wrote:
Johnny James wrote:
The master of the main show is missing, so all we'll be able to do is use someone's VHS of it.
Thanks for confirming, JJ, I thought I hadn't imagined it.
Although, I'd be relatively happy with a remaster of a VHS (if that's all we can get), it would be frustrating that, presumably, the Dream Attack footage would remain incomplete.
Edit:
Hmmm - you mentioned 'main show'. I guess it's possibly that the master tape of the later 'Dream Attack' show, might still be available.
Yeah, you can see this on the BFI database, the later show appears not to be lost.
https://collections-search.bfi.org.uk/web/Details/ChoiceFilmWorks/150348912
Multiple archive formats available.
Here's a suggestion for a digital re-issue of all the 7" singles that I'd like to see, principally to get the rare B-side edits out there on streaming and download, as well as the sometimes differing artwork the 7" releases had. Either bring it out next year (if there's to be another lengthy gap between Definitive Edition sets, as they did with 'Substance'), after the 'Technique' set, or maybe even later when all the sets are complete. Would be a good companion to the ongoing 12" single digital re-releases.
I've only included the 26 singles up to 'Here To Stay', as no single since then has had any B-sides, and the radio versions since then are widely available on 'Singles' or subsequent digital single releases. In some cases there was never a physical 7", but I've included what I think would've made the best A+B side combination at the time. In some cases, there's more than two tracks (such as 'The Perfect Kiss' which had two different promo 7 inches, each with unique edits).
Would love to see these all out digitally to mop up some of those rare tracks. Also sure many collectors would love a 26 x 7" physical box set of all of these as well (if economically practicable to manufacture)!
Thoughts?
Since you ask, here's my 2p:
I cannot stand 7" edits and never listen to them. Give me the full glory of the song, or even better, an extended mix. This is one of Neworder's strongest points and a 7" edit is anathema to me.
If there ever were to be a physical CD Singles box, I would consider it (7" edits and all) but I suspect the official 'Recycle' concept is long since redundant.
I'd probably swerve a digital box set, as I have pretty much everything I need from TPOI's magnificent but unofficial Recycle project back in the day.
The Definitive Album Boxes however, are things of passion and rare beauty and I'm all in on them.
Rorschach wrote: Since you ask, here's my 2p:
I cannot stand 7" edits and never listen to them. Give me the full glory of the song, or even better, an extended mix. This is one of Neworder's strongest points and a 7" edit is anathema to me.
Oh, as with you, I almost universally prefer the 12" or album versions over their 7"/edit counterparts. However they do exist, and I'd like remastered digital copies of those that are still unavailable on CD/digital (the B-side edits and dubs). I think a 7" digital reissue campaign would achieve that nicely.
Mr Discography wrote: Would love to see these all out digitally to mop up some of those rare tracks. Also sure many collectors would love a 26 x 7" physical box set of all of these as well (if economical practicable to manufacture)!
If we consider Krafty, J.E.T., WFTSC etc. we could stretch it to 30 7"s approx. Perhaps one box would be too expensive, but it could be three boxes with 10 singles each, like this:
Mr. Disco wrote:
Mr Discography wrote: Would love to see these all out digitally to mop up some of those rare tracks. Also sure many collectors would love a 26 x 7" physical box set of all of these as well (if economical practicable to manufacture)!
If we consider Krafty, J.E.T., WFTSC etc. we could stretch it to 30 7"s approx.
There are others you could include, such as 'True Faith 94' (which did have a 7") and 'Blue Monday 95' (which had a promo 7" backed with 'Blue Monday 1988', and a promo 2-track CD backed with the Plutone Radio Edit). I chose to mirror the tracklist of the 'Singles' compilation for my list above.
It also gets a bit tricky for later singles deciding what track to put on the B-side when there's no actual B-side or band-made dub. Guess it'd be whatever remix also has an edited version short enough for to fit on a 7", or a promo radio edit shorter than the single version (as most of the 'Music Complete' singles had).
So you could choose from any of these 11/13 extra digital / physical singles and tracks to pad out the set:
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