Mapping The Definitive Editions - Technique

Mr. Disco wrote: Including non-Hooky material could get potentially dangerous

Especially as it's on a different label.

Happy New Year all Apologies for the lack of anything meaningful or new but just a post to see how we feel about the release of the Technique box.

Will it be a 2025 release? What will be on it? What colour scheme will the box be? Does anyone care?

Yes i do fully intend to buy the Technique box whenever that may be. Just to complete the set of the Factory era albums if nothing else. After that? Republic box and beyond ? Not sure. It was really the definitive box sets of the 1980s/Factory albums for me.

What colour would a Technique box be? That purple ( or is it maroon?) which i guess was the most prominent colour of the album sleeve? But who knows.

I'll buy all of them, although I admit that Technique is the last one that really appeals.

I will say though, that I would love to see some of the '98 & '01 live material that we've seen glimpses of in the past (mainly on the 511 DVD):

Apollo '98 Ally Pally '98 Olympia '01

Not least of which is because I was at all three gigs.

Apollo '98 was a fab gig. In A Lonely Place. Wow.

EmileStrunz wrote: Happy New Year all Apologies for the lack of anything meaningful or new but just a post to see how we feel about the release of the Technique box.

Will it be a 2025 release? What will be on it? What colour scheme will the box be? Does anyone care?

Be great if it came out by the end of 2025!

A discussion on Bluesky about the alternative lyric version of "Vanishing Point" reminded me of this passage in Audrey Golden's I Thought I Heard You Speak: Women at Factory Records book. In it, Rebecca Boulton of New Order's management is discussing the recent box sets:

"So we started off with Movement, and we brought in a consultant, James Zeiter. He knows more about Factory's history, and New Order and Joy Division's history, than New Order and Joy Division do themselves, that's for sure. He's been brilliant at compiling spreadsheets of what would be available. So that's the starting place, and then the band members that are interested at being involved take a look."

There is more discussion about the band members involvement, but I just wanted everyone to appreciate that our Johnny James is (hopefully) still beavering away at that Technique set.

Thanks Andy. I have no doubts and have even started saving up for the Technique box. ;-)

Andy wrote: and then the band members that are interested at being involved take a look.

is this a coded way of saying that Bernard couldn't care less? I still remember the extras on the Glasgow DVD very much felt like Bernard hadn't paid any attention to what was included (the infamous Glastonbury 81 collapse and the Wireless debacle when his autocue broke..)

As for Technique - I kind of hope it's the last one, at least in the format of the existing Factory-era boxsets.

Unless they can find decent early mixes, works-in-progress of Republic - I've no lasting interest in all the myriad remixes that started to appear, and the live shows started to become less interesting once they stopped developing new songs in concert and stuck to the hits.

Andy wrote: A discussion on Bluesky about the alternative lyric version of "Vanishing Point" reminded me of this passage in Audrey Golden's I Thought I Heard You Speak: Women at Factory Records book. In it, Rebecca Boulton of New Order's management is discussing the recent box sets:

"So we started off with Movement, and we brought in a consultant, James Zeiter. He knows more about Factory's history, and New Order and Joy Division's history, than New Order and Joy Division do themselves, that's for sure. He's been brilliant at compiling spreadsheets of what would be available. So that's the starting place, and then the band members that are interested at being involved take a look."

There is more discussion about the band members involvement, but I just wanted everyone to appreciate that our Johnny James is (hopefully) still beavering away at that Technique set.

Can you share a link to the Bluesky discussion? I'm on there and would be interested to read it.

Mr Discography wrote:

Andy wrote: A discussion on Bluesky about the alternative lyric version of "Vanishing Point" reminded me of this passage in Audrey Golden's I Thought I Heard You Speak: Women at Factory Records book. In it, Rebecca Boulton of New Order's management is discussing the recent box sets:

"So we started off with Movement, and we brought in a consultant, James Zeiter. He knows more about Factory's history, and New Order and Joy Division's history, than New Order and Joy Division do themselves, that's for sure. He's been brilliant at compiling spreadsheets of what would be available. So that's the starting place, and then the band members that are interested at being involved take a look."

There is more discussion about the band members involvement, but I just wanted everyone to appreciate that our Johnny James is (hopefully) still beavering away at that Technique set.

Can you share a link to the Bluesky discussion? I'm on there and would be interested to read it.

There isn't anything there other than comments regarding someone's pick of "Vanishing Point" in their #NewOrderTop30 (people revealing their favourite New Order tracks one day at a time over the month). I don't really participate in those "challenges", but occasionally comment on other poster's selections.

VanishingPointBlueSky

GotBlueEyes wrote:

Andy wrote: and then the band members that are interested at being involved take a look.

is this a coded way of saying that Bernard couldn't care less? I still remember the extras on the Glasgow DVD very much felt like Bernard hadn't paid any attention to what was included (the infamous Glastonbury 81 collapse and the Wireless debacle when his autocue broke..)

As for Technique - I kind of hope it's the last one, at least in the format of the existing Factory-era boxsets.

Unless they can find decent early mixes, works-in-progress of Republic - I've no lasting interest in all the myriad remixes that started to appear, and the live shows started to become less interesting once they stopped developing new songs in concert and stuck to the hits.

Yes.

Rebecca Boulton continues:

"Steve's absolutely brilliant. He's really helpful and really keen on making sure things are good and right, but also has a sort of fan sensibility because he personally enjoys box sets and the way they are approached. He knows what he likes and what he doesn't like. Hooky's pretty good, he's got quite a lot of opinions about how things should be presented. Bernard's not really very interested."

Hello all. Have there been any updates or news on the next release in internet-land?

Could be wrong, but thought I'd heard the JD Boxset was coming before Technique (Steve might have said it at the Merck Market), if so could be a long wait!

I would greatly welcome JD box sets assuming they are in the same format as these.

I think the JD box is meant to a live set, rather than reissues of the studios LPs. I guess there’s no reason it couldn’t be done in the same style as the NO definitive editions, but seems unlikely given the rumoured non-LP material.

Question for Johnny James. Is there any news on a release date for the 'Technique' box at all?

Pre-orders for the 'Brotherhood' set opened this time last year for a late November release - so guessing if no announcement by the end of September we're looking at a 2026 release?

Also, any update on the 'Brotherhood' digital singles?

Thanks!

Mr Discography wrote: Question for Johnny James. Is there any news on a release date for the 'Technique' box at all?

Pre-orders for the 'Brotherhood' set opened this time last year for a late November release - so guessing if no announcement by the end of September we're looking at a 2026 release?

Also, any update on the 'Brotherhood' digital singles?

Thanks!

Both box sets are next year (JD & NO). There is much to do still.

I'll ask again about the digital singles.

Given how expensive the boxed sets have become, and that Stephen Morris and Steven Wilson have been making those new surround sound and instrumental versions of the old albums, I sincerely hope future boxed sets from 'Technique' and (hopefully) onwards will also include the surround sound Blu-ray discs, along with the usual CDs and DVDs. They can, and no doubt will be released separately of course, but it be great to have them all together in future boxes.