Mapping The Definitive Editions - Technique

The Happy One, uncut, as recorded.

50poundnote wrote:

The Happy One, uncut, as recorded.

Amen to that!

Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

-Mike

The OSM version just with Hooky would be good for the DVDs. I actually prefer that version, it has a better intro. Be good if the Technique Promo vids were included and I remember seeing the original footage of the Round & Round models being interviewed. There must be more material to choose from as they were a much bigger deal by 1989.

Weird that some GMEX 88 footage is included in this box set as that’s Technique era in my eyes.

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

not too interested in this one.

but will get it for completion if they do make one.

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My favourite NO album.

Would love to hear the Vanishing Point demo which had different lyrics. Apparently, this did leak at some point. If anyone has this, PLEASE get in touch.

perspexorange wrote: My favourite NO album.

Would love to hear the Vanishing Point demo which had different lyrics. Apparently, this did leak at some point. If anyone has this, PLEASE get in touch.

The fact that Stephen has mentioned this version in a Listening Party points to it being likely for inclusion.

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

Though it probably hadn't progressed to the edit/mixing stage like "Vanishing Point", I've always been intrigued by the legend that "Mr. Disco" was going to be a single. "Vanishing Point" was apparently the band's choice for lead single, before Rob Gretton talked them out of it. But the legend about "Mr. Disco" is that it was supposedly discouraged by U.S. marketing wizards because the word Disco was by then a dirty word that would tank sales.

Making out soundtrack recordings without the dialogue over would be interesting

At least this thread won't turn into a Substance discussion - Andy will be pleased

Like No Other wrote: At least this thread won't turn into a Substance discussion - Andy will be pleased

This does raise a question, though - as the first post-Substance album, will the 12” single mixes be included in the box?

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

I wasn't aware the single edit of 'Vanishing Point' had ever surfaced. Would love to hear it..... [DM hint...]

Mr Discography wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

I wasn't aware the single edit of 'Vanishing Point' had ever surfaced. Would love to hear it..... [DM hint...]

Me too!

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

Wasn’t there Marmion remixes commissioned for Vanishlng Point? ‘Schöneberg’ was massive in the clubs in 1994 and I’m sure I read that they were working on VP around this time.

EmileStrunz wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

Wasn’t there Marmion remixes commissioned for Vanishlng Point? ‘Schöneberg’ was massive in the clubs in 1994 and I’m sure I read that they were working on VP around this time.

I read somewhere that a Utah Saints remix was also done around the time of 'The Best Of'

EmileStrunz wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

steinomite wrote: Any abandoned single mixes of "Vanishing Point" that could potentially exist would also be very nice to have.

I have an edit that was done in '89 for a possible single, then resurfaced in '94 for The Best Of, which is why it's included on the UK pressing. It clocks in at 3:59, which is over a minute shorter than the album version.

Wasn’t there Marmion remixes commissioned for Vanishlng Point? ‘Schöneberg’ was massive in the clubs in 1994 and I’m sure I read that they were working on VP around this time.

There's a Marmion remix of The Perfect Kiss (that was unreleased), they later reworked it into a new track of their own (can't remember what it was called though).

50poundnote wrote:

Like No Other wrote: At least this thread won't turn into a Substance discussion - Andy will be pleased

This does raise a question, though - as the first post-Substance album, will the 12” single mixes be included in the box?

Possibly, as there isn't as much material from the period. Presumbably some of the "Blue Monday 1988" mixes will feature, despite the previously unreleased Michael Johnson mix on the Brotherhood set. And then "World in Motion". But I don't think people want every track from those singles padding the box set when you consider they only featured mixes and not proper b-sides.

The other thing of note is the fact that, presumably, there will be seven accompanying 12” singles:

Fine Time Fine Time Remix Round & Round Round & Remix Run 2 World In Motion World In Motion Remix

That’s a lot of records.

It’s presumably going to be just as ‘busy’ for Republic, with the four LP singles plus 12”s for True Faith-94, 1963-95 & Blue Monday-95.

Andy wrote:

50poundnote wrote:

Like No Other wrote: At least this thread won't turn into a Substance discussion - Andy will be pleased

This does raise a question, though - as the first post-Substance album, will the 12” single mixes be included in the box?

Possibly, as there isn't as much material from the period. Presumbably some of the "Blue Monday 1988" mixes will feature, despite the previously unreleased Michael Johnson mix on the Brotherhood set. And then "World in Motion". But I don't think people want every track from those singles padding the box set when you consider they only featured mixes and not proper b-sides.

I wouldn't expect any more 'Blue Monday 1988' mixes to appear on the 'Technique' set - it's been covered in the re-released 12" and the 'Brotherhood' set.

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Still hoping there will be a reissue of all the 7" singles, even if just digitally. Would be great to finally get the 7" edits of 'Hurt', 'Lonesome Tonight' and the many dub versions out digitally.

perspexorange wrote: The other thing of note is the fact that, presumably, there will be seven accompanying 12” singles:

Fine Time Fine Time Remix Round & Round Round & Remix Run 2 World In Motion World In Motion Remix

That’s a lot of records.

It’s presumably going to be just as ‘busy’ for Republic, with the four LP singles plus 12”s for True Faith-94, 1963-95 & Blue Monday-95.

And presumably, all those 12 inches will also get digital releases too.

Let's hope the correct, 12" version of 'Fine Time' goes on those single releases, as it's ever so slightly different to the 'Technique' version (compare them at 1:17). The 'Fine Time' 12" version has yet to come out digitally.

So far, I've not re-bought all the re-released 12" singles, as I have the originals - with the exception of 'Sub-Culture' and the silver/clear vinyl 'The Perfect Kiss' (as they had new, unique artwork). But I have bought hi-res versions of their digital equivalents. As we edge into "90s remixes" territory, with 'Republic' and beyond, I may find I don't bother buying the digital single remasters, as I already have almost off of the tracks on CD anyway, and the releases get less interesting when they're mostly dance remixes and no B-sides or band 12" versions.

I also wonder how they'll handle the digital single re-releases when so many tracks and mixes were spread across multiple formats including CD singles and even cassette singles. For example, 'Regret (New Order Mix)' was only on the 7", cassette and CD single, and 'Vicious Circle (New Order Mix)' only on the 'Ruined In A Day' cassette single - so neither track ever appeared on a 12". It might be a good idea to start doing just one, combined digital re-release of each single from 'Republic' onwards that contain all mixes and B-sides together from all the different original formats.

But I'm getting way ahead of myself here!

Depeche Mode doesn't seem to have a problem with reissuing all the 12"s. Just saying

I still believe there's a market for a Recycle-style box set covering the Factory-era singles.

1. Ceremony
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss
10. Sub-culture
11. Shellshock
12. State Of The Nation
13. Bizarre Love Triangle
14. True Faith
15. Touched By The Hand Of God
16. Blue Monday 1988
17. Fine Time
18. Round & Round
19. Run 2
20. World In Motion

20 CD singles plus a detailed discography book covering each single and showcasing the cover art, with notes by Peter Saville, the band, and any relevant parties. Many of their contemporaries have done the same - most notably Depeche Mode, with CD boxes in the '90s and '00s, and now the vinyl box sets. Include a Blu-ray with all the videos upscaled like Pet Shop Boys did with Smash.

Alternately, start adding a 3rd or even 4th CD in with the Definitive Editions.

Personally, I'm not fussed with anything beyond Republic and its 4 singles. The mid-90s were bleak.

Mr Discography wrote: Let's hope the correct, 12" version of 'Fine Time' goes on those single releases

^^^ THIS.

I still prefer the yellow 12" version to the album version.

50poundnote wrote: I still believe there's a market for a Recycle-style box set covering the Factory-era singles.

1. Ceremony
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss
10. Sub-culture
11. Shellshock
12. State Of The Nation
13. Bizarre Love Triangle
14. True Faith
15. Touched By The Hand Of God
16. Blue Monday 1988
17. Fine Time
18. Round & Round
19. Run 2
20. World In Motion

20 CD singles plus a detailed discography book covering each single and showcasing the cover art, with notes by Peter Saville, the band, and any relevant parties. Many of their contemporaries have done the same - most notably Depeche Mode, with CD boxes in the '90s and '00s, and now the vinyl box sets. Include a Blu-ray with all the videos upscaled like Pet Shop Boys did with Smash.

Alternately, start adding a 3rd or even 4th CD in with the Definitive Editions.

Personally, I'm not fussed with anything beyond Republic and its 4 singles. The mid-90s were bleak.

100% in agreement. I've been waiting for something like this since like 1990. Considering that there have been extensive CD single box sets for artists like Depeche Mode, The Smiths, Morrissey, Cocteau Twins, even Joy Division, etc., it's rather shocking that this hasn't happened yet. Heck they even released a CD singles box for Wham! recently. While it's nice that these 12" remixes have been released digitally, I would still love to have well mastered hard copies on CD.

-Mike

50poundnote wrote: I still believe there's a market for a Recycle-style box set covering the Factory-era singles.

1. Ceremony
2. Procession
3. Everything's Gone Green
4. Temptation
5. Blue Monday
6. Confusion
7. Thieves Like Us
8. Murder
9. The Perfect Kiss
10. Sub-culture
11. Shellshock
12. State Of The Nation
13. Bizarre Love Triangle
14. True Faith
15. Touched By The Hand Of God
16. Blue Monday 1988
17. Fine Time
18. Round & Round
19. Run 2
20. World In Motion

20 CD singles plus a detailed discography book covering each single and showcasing the cover art, with notes by Peter Saville, the band, and any relevant parties. Many of their contemporaries have done the same - most notably Depeche Mode, with CD boxes in the '90s and '00s, and now the vinyl box sets. Include a Blu-ray with all the videos upscaled like Pet Shop Boys did with Smash.

Alternately, start adding a 3rd or even 4th CD in with the Definitive Editions.

Personally, I'm not fussed with anything beyond Republic and its 4 singles. The mid-90s were bleak.

Yes, that's a fab idea. Perfect to just cover the Factory singles - before the plethora of dance remixes really kicked in.

Johnny James wrote:

There's a Marmion remix of The Perfect Kiss (that was unreleased), they later reworked it into a new track of their own (can't remember what it was called though).

I've had a look through Marmion's Discogs page and can't find anything that sounds like it samples Perfect Kiss. The closest thing I found was a track called No Particular Order (-a clue in the name?) which seems to have a big nod to Uranium or Blue Monday circa 3:16, and I guess the percussion at 3:29 almost sounds like a sped up sample of the percussion from Perfect Kiss's intro. But nothing really jumps out at me as "Perfect Kiss" in this track, or indeed any of their others listed on Discogs.

Mr Discography wrote:

I wouldn't expect any more 'Blue Monday 1988' mixes to appear on the 'Technique' set - it's been covered in the re-released 12" and the 'Brotherhood' set.

I find myself agreeing. I think the Blue Monday 1988 Cassette mixes were on the same tape as the Technique demos, weren't they? But also I think by the time we get to Technique it's a different era from Blue Monday so it wouldn't make a lot of sense to include the track again.

Mr Discography wrote:

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)

PS Gah, again the forum is accusing me of SPAM. Boy this is too much!

Debaser wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)

I sure hope we get box sets for Republic, GR, and WFTSC - especially Republic. I'd love to hear the demos on that Republic demo tape Hooky was planning on selling at his auction from a couple of years back, that were mysteriously pulled a few days before bidding ended...

daftpunk wrote:

Debaser wrote:

Mr Discography wrote:

From 'Technique' onwards, we're really getting into the realms of the DJ remixes. I'd rather save those for the 12" reissues, and have demos, outtakes/alternate takes, instrumentals and rarities on the bonus CD in future sets - much more interesting than regurgitated remixes many of us already have. Just hope there's enough of that to fill up a bonus CD.

Agreed. Do we know if these boxes will go beyond Technique anyway? (Mr Z, if you're reading?)

I sure hope we get box sets for Republic, GR, and WFTSC - especially Republic. I'd love to hear the demos on that Republic demo tape Hooky was planning on selling at his auction from a couple of years back, that were mysteriously pulled a few days before bidding ended...

I recall reading on here somewhere that the plan was to do up to a combined 'Waiting For The Sirens' Call' & 'Lost Sirens' set (guess because we already have a similar boxed set for 'Music Complete'). I wonder if the sets will get that far in the end though? I hope they do.

Slightly off-topic but…

If they do go up to WFTSC for the box sets, I wonder if Republic’s box would include the unreleased Danny Tenaglia mix of ‘World (The Price of Love)’.

It wasn’t used and he turned it into one of his best loved tracks ‘Bottom Heavy’.

Anyway, Danny Tenaglia has included a snippet with Barney’s vocal on his Instagram page and it sounds pretty good. I guess the band weren’t into the New York tribal house sound back then.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C\_jKPSqRfZR/?igsh=ZWgyeWMwbjczcDlp