Retro -- Promo

...seems that it's finally the original "Confusion" and "Temptation" but NOT "The Perfect Kiss" long version...

Originally posted by Spotnick Wait a minute... HERE TO STAY EXTENDED INSTRUMENTAL ?Damn it.. I was expecting the original mix, not a f**** dub...!!!Well, good side is, I won't have to buy the Aussie CD for it.

the extended instrumental is pretty cool! I've got the Aussi-CD, nice version

i thought Cries and Whispers was incorrectly Mesh , and Mesh was correctly titled on Substance instead of calling it Cries and Whispers.... ?

Sabres remix of Regret is half of what i thought the original was, i don't have it myself.... i wondered why the remix disc ran way over timewise, so i guess that solves that problem.

What's the 1995 UK mix of "Let's Go" ??? But it's not the version as on the US-Best-Of or the canadian "Blue Monday" Single-CD, or ???

slow jam

I still can't believe they have Run Wild on the EARLY YEARS disc

I gotta say, as shitty as this still is, I probably get it at least for the booklet. The H&S one was very informayive and had that great John Savage piece, so i'm hoping they at least don't screw that up (though they probably will, seeing as everything else has been)

What gets me is they seem to have gone out of their way to include the stuff I've gone to trouble and expense to get already, and omit all the stuff I've never managed to find. I think this whole Retro thing was done just to spite me.

Originally posted by pete poorten What gets me is they seem to have gone out of their way to include the stuff I've gone to trouble and expense to get already, and omit all the stuff I've never managed to find.I think this whole Retro thing was done just to spite me.

Yeah, a lot of the material is readily available on all NO's previous albums, and it doesn't seem like much thought was given to the fact that most of the albums have never gone out of print or have been reissued in some form.

I think the big disappointment for me is, when i first began hearing about the box set, it was posited as a "singles and b-sides" project, which would have pleased me to no end. That is the root cause for my disenchantment with the whole sorted affair.

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 > Originally posted by pete poorten> What gets me is they seem to have gone out of their way to include the stuff I've gone to trouble and expense to get already, and omit all the stuff I've never managed to find.> I think this whole Retro thing was done just to spite me.

Yeah, a lot of the material is readily available on all NO's previous albums, and it doesn't seem like much thought was given to the fact that most of the albums have never gone out of print or have been reissued in some form.

I think the big disappointment for me is, when i first began hearing about the box set, it was posited as a "singles and b-sides" project, which would have pleased me to no end. That is the root cause for my disenchantment with the whole sorted affair.

There are a few moderately rare things, only they all happen to be the ones I've already got, e.g. HTS instrumental, temptation 12", the fine time silk mix. What I'd personally like to see are all those tracks that were only ever released on vinyl.

And a bonus disk of Rock The Shack remixes.

Originally posted by pete poorten > Originally posted by Taboo # 7> > > > Originally posted by pete poorten> > What gets me is they seem to have gone out of their way to include the stuff I've gone to trouble and expense to get already, and omit all the stuff I've never managed to find.> > I think this whole Retro thing was done just to spite me.>

Yeah, a lot of the material is readily available on all NO's previous albums, and it doesn't seem like much thought was given to the fact that most of the albums have never gone out of print or have been reissued in some form.

I think the big disappointment for me is, when i first began hearing about the box set, it was posited as a "singles and b-sides" project, which would have pleased me to no end. That is the root cause for my disenchantment with the whole sorted affair.

There are a few moderately rare things, only they all happen to be the ones I've already got, e.g. HTS instrumental, temptation 12", the fine time silk mix. What I'd personally like to see are all those tracks that were only ever released on vinyl.

And a bonus disk of Rock The Shack remixes.

If they had went with the original idea of singles and b-sides, I would be okay with it.

Originally posted by Marco Pleil > Originally posted by Spotnick> Wait a minute... HERE TO STAY EXTENDED INSTRUMENTAL ?> > Damn it.. I was expecting the original mix, not a f**** dub...!!!> > Well, good side is, I won't have to buy the Aussie CD for it.

the extended instrumental is pretty cool! I've got the Aussi-CD, nice version

The HERE TO STAY instrumental track...which UK release was this on because i don't have it? Cheers Rocket Mick

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > Wait a minute... HERE TO STAY EXTENDED INSTRUMENTAL ?> > > > Damn it.. I was expecting the original mix, not a f**** dub...!!!> > > > Well, good side is, I won't have to buy the Aussie CD for it.>

the extended instrumental is pretty cool! I've got the Aussi-CD, nice version

The HERE TO STAY instrumental track...which UK release was this on because i don't have it? Cheers Rocket Mick

Australian only CDS

1. Here to Stay radio edit
2. " full length vocal (listed as original edit)
3. " Felix Da Housecat-Thee extended Glitz mix (listed as three extended glitz mix)
4. " The Scumfrog dub mix
5. " extended instrumental
6. Player in the League

Originally posted by Spotnick So nobody knows what are those versions of Slow Jam & Run Wild ?

Advance promo?

Originally posted by Andy T > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > > > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > Wait a minute... HERE TO STAY EXTENDED INSTRUMENTAL ?> > > > > > Damn it.. I was expecting the original mix, not a f**** dub...!!!> > > > > > Well, good side is, I won't have to buy the Aussie CD for it.> > >

the extended instrumental is pretty cool! I've got the Aussi-CD, nice version

The HERE TO STAY instrumental track...which UK release was this on because i don't have it? Cheers Rocket Mick

Australian only CDS

1. Here to Stay radio edit
2. " full length vocal (listed as original edit)
3. " Felix Da Housecat-Thee extended Glitz mix (listed as three extended glitz mix)
4. " The Scumfrog dub mix
5. " extended instrumental
6. Player in the League

Cheers ANDY.

Originally posted by Ricardo > Originally posted by Old Blue > Originally posted by Spotnick> So nobody knows what are those versions of Slow Jam & Run Wild ?

Advance promo?

Nope, both songs are longer in their Advanced Promo versions.

These are just the final album versions as, ahem, the discography must be wrong. Since I've been a lad, I've kept a slowly dilapidating list of all my music (handwritten - too many tracks to ever list it on a spreadsheet or database which would be a full-time job for some time). On my entry for 28th August last year, 'Slow Jam' clocks in at 4:52, and 'Run Wild' at (guess what) 3:56.

Never trust what you read on the track listing. This is New Order, after all. You'd be surprised how many bands put incorrect running times on their artwork!

Incidentally, the 'Here To Stay' Extended Instrumental is 5:57, the original Sabres Slo 'n' Lo was 12:51, and if 'Substance 1987' has the correct track listings, 'Mesh' is 3:23, and 'Cries and Whispers' on the Everything's Gone Green CD single is 3:00, as it is on the 'Substance' cassette.

I think we can safely assume they've got the tracks mixed up, and it's 'Mesh' on there instead. I've got 'em both on CD anyway, but even so... What. A. Surprise.

The Lee Coobs 'Crystal' is also edited, unless it's the 7:04 Lee Coobms Dub, on the American CD single, and UK remix 12".

Thank you and goodnight. The Numbercruncher http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

The 12' version of the Sabres remix of Regret is way longer than 6'41'. I don't need more of those edited remixes. What's wrong with the original?

ANDREW what a great hobby that is? I thought mine was mad enough then someone else comes along and beats me.Great though to know cos i agree that some of the ORDER stuff is so confusing i used to mull over such MISTAKES.Easily made though once written down it is usually taken for granted. Nice one!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by Andy T> > > > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > > > > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> > > > > > > > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > Wait a minute... HERE TO STAY EXTENDED INSTRUMENTAL ?> > > > > > > > Damn it.. I was expecting the original mix, not a f**** dub...!!!> > > > > > > > Well, good side is, I won't have to buy the Aussie CD for it.> > > > > >

the extended instrumental is pretty cool! I've got the Aussi-CD, nice version

The HERE TO STAY instrumental track...which UK release was this on because i don't have it? Cheers Rocket Mick

Australian only CDS

1. Here to Stay radio edit
2. " full length vocal (listed as original edit)
3. " Felix Da Housecat-Thee extended Glitz mix (listed as three extended glitz mix)
4. " The Scumfrog dub mix
5. " extended instrumental
6. Player in the League

Cheers ANDY.

It's also on promo copies of the 12" and Muffy's freebee c.d. from the first Manchester meet up. IMO it's the best mix.

Originally posted by Rocket Mick ANDREW what a great hobby that is? I thought mine was mad enough then someone else comes along and beats me.Great though to know cos i agree that some of the ORDER stuff is so confusing i used to mull over such MISTAKES.Easily made though once written down it is usually taken for granted.Nice one!

You think that's impressive, well you can read the only part of my music list (some 7,000+ tracks) which I've computerized: Andy's New Order tracklist, at http://www.morriso.btinternet.co.uk/NewOrderTrackList.html.

Enjoy!

Andy.

Originally posted by Andrew Morrison > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> ANDREW what a great hobby that is? I thought mine was mad enough then someone else comes along and beats me.Great though to know cos i agree that some of the ORDER stuff is so confusing i used to mull over such MISTAKES.Easily made though once written down it is usually taken for granted.> Nice one!

You think that's impressive, well you can read the only part of my music list (some 7,000+ tracks) which I've computerized: Andy's New Order tracklist, at http://www.morriso.btinternet.co.uk/NewOrderTrackList.html.

Enjoy!

Andy. Great ANDY that should keep me out of the pub and get me sober before the work starts on MONDAY.I think i will print it and put it into a plastic sleeve and call it an official item to my collection.Do you want me to send you a ROCKET MICK CD-R as desired for the hard of hearing NOOL's.You could join my little group of pissed off music lovers.12 live gigs on one CD-r of JD/NO in mp3 format is one of the items.You could listen to this whilst completing your lists.Send me your addy and the rest is HISTORY. Beermat CD-Rs for XMAS...you know you want some. Cheers Rocket Mick PLANET ROCKET...near SOUTH PIER BLACKPOOL Hell thats a well made site there and i had not realized you are so organised.Great list and i will check out the sounds too.Nice one.TRUST NO ONE YOU MEET ON NOOL...especially SHUGZVS.:D