where can i get the Get Ready rough mixes? were there rough mixes of all the tracks on the album?
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Retro Bonus CD - yippee...
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The recording of "Elegia" which is due to appear on this disc was referred to as the "20 minute version" by Andy and will come from the master recording - I have no idea what re-mastering it may or may not require. What I do know is that New Order do not have an endless well of cash to draw upon when it comes to re-recording or mastering or indeed any "post" work. It all adds up and it's cash that could be better spent elsewhere. I had hoped that the original recordings of "Ode to Joy" would be in there too - Andy & I agreed it would be perfectly apt for a Christmas release but it's a recording many of you already own - no matter how shit it is quality wise.
The Area One shows were mentioned as Andy liked the idea of a live JD track being used. I know there has been alot of cross talk about the "promos" that appeared via REPRISE - not all of it good. It was a leak at that end that caused alot of problems and indeed, it was that leak that saw me wrongly blamed for the "release" of the original monitor mixes of "Crystal" & "60 MPH". Andy was NOT happy about that at all.
Apparently, any cunt with even the remotest interest in New Order could get a hold of these tracks over in L.A. If you recall, I mentioned them on or around the 6th January - many months before their intended release - and it's true that I received them from the United States.
Maybe now some of you will see why I was so vocal about what we should or rather souldn't be talking about so openly within the forum - it is viewed/read by all and sundry and not always with the most favourable outcome - except this time of course!
Andy was quite dismayed at the thought that many of you think they don't give a fuck - they do, but they are a business as well as our favourite band and they have to operate as one in order that we get the best return from them in future.
As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.
Obviously now I'm worried about my pre-order on HMV's website (yes, for that lovely cheap price!!!!), as in, will HMV be providing me with the limited edition version with this bonus disk, or will I just get a bog-standard release? Is this thing limited to the stores themselves, or is it applying for ordering over the net at HMV.co.uk? So many questions, I'll be pissed if I don't get the bonus disk in the post with the box set.
Regarding the critisicm of New Order, I think its pretty much spot on, lets not forget that this box-set is a way of saying sorry for the RECYCLE cock up of a few years back. As a die hard fan I feel not only have N.O. totally sold out (London Records suck, admit it), but now they are releasing poor quality stuff that us fans already have in our collection anyway.
I hope I'm wrong, I'm actually fucking gutted that New order aren't the kick ass Manchester band that I loved, and as a fellow Manc it pains me to say it.
How abouts getting Barney and Hooky on this website to answer our questions/issues about releases?
I'm also pissed that as a born and bred Manc, we who live in this city, and are die hard fans of N.O. get no special treatment of any kind regarding releases, and I thought Hooky was "fuckin' proud to live 'ere", bastard!
Bring back the hacienda, Factory records, and Ian, I know he's alive, I've been in his bar in Spain.
must say, with this extra disc i'm really looking forward to the box set now. just a shame it couldn't be fitted in the box as a "rare" disc to go with "live", "pop", "fan" etc.hope everyone here manages to track down their copy. i'm assuming it'll be a separate cd stored behind the counter in hmv to give away to buyers, rather than part of the set. i know a chap who works in hmv so i'll see what i can find out...
well done JS
Its great to know our opinions are heard! (god, i hope barney didn't see all those "fat" pictures i did a while back....) 
i'm keeping my fingers crossed for my pre-order (at £35) having the free CD! :D :D
Jonathan, you got us wrong.. it's the LABEL that don't care about us, not the band.
The label wants to make money by releasing something that will sell.. all hardcore fans owns mostly everything, so why everybody was whining.
But now the band is showing some care over the label, and that CD is paid by.. HMV!
I don't really know what the financial set-up is with HMV and the "bonus" disc but I do know that some of the tracks I suggested for inclusion on the CD were out of the question due to legal constraints; I said that the "Celebration" version of "Dreams Never End" or clean versions of the latest PEEL recordings (including "Transmission") would be brilliant extras but the recordings belong to GRANADA TV/BBC and NOT the band and as such would have incurred third party costs. This would have caused a problem...blah, blah, blah...the point I'm making is that the band truly wanted to give "us" something more and they've made a genuine effort to do this - I SUSPECT that HMV stumped up the cash for the CD as it's in their best interests to have done so but I'm really not too sure how that sort of deal works.
Jonathon, thanks for making us all drool with anticipation. But, alas, I am but a 20 New Order fan from across the big lake in little ole USA. I can hope for a CD, but I won't get my hopes too high. You are my only hope for it. There is no way I will walk into a store in Michigan and find the extra disk version. I am not going to spend $60 US to order from HMV at the outside chance that maybe I will get it. I will pick up my box set from the local record store and sell you my firstborn child for the bonus CD.
There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!
I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!
Yep - thanks for the hope... hopefully hope grows into something great! I would love to have the full Elegia alone on a real CD
Originally posted by FourFortyFive Apparently, any cunt with even the remotest interest in New Order could get a hold of these tracks over in L.A. If you recall, I mentioned them on or around the 6th January - many months before their intended release - and it's true that I received them from the United States.
That just reminded me that the promo of 60 MPH, with the David Kahne Mix, was available for sale in a used CDs store on the net which was based in L.A. -- we contacted them and they had just sold it, but they suggested to put the thing on tape and send it to Nicolas -- which they did, free of charge!
Wow.
Were you the one who bought it ? :)
[ As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.
Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.
By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea.
Originally posted by murv_hughes [As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.
Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.
By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick
that totally rocks about the bonus disc, 4:45. i haven't really posted here in a while but that disc has certainly piqued my interest. glad to know that the band and their management do care about what we think. i was quite disappointed with the box set's list and wasn't sure how well it would sell. seems a little expensive for someone just getting into NO and, as has been repeated extensively here, most people that dedicated to our fav band have most of the stuff on them. i guess it was just a hard call all around.
cheers,
iain
Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by murv_hughes> [> As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.
Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.
By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick
Run that by me again RM, I bowl under arm these days 
Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!
Thanks Johan it's very nice of you to think of us people from overseas, just wanted to remind you how sunny, warm, full of bars and beautiful girls Barcelona is! ;) 
Originally posted by murv_hughes > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by murv_hughes> > [> > As for helping our foreign friends (ex UK that is) get a hold of the "bonus" CD - I cannot promise anything and as such any extras I get will go to non-UK fans only and this would have to be done privately - no "official" site tie in I'm afraid. Once again, NO PROMISES - I will do my best. It would be a shame if the disc didn't go straight to those it was specifically intended for but the main reason I want to "help" on this occassion is to stop the Esprit & Ebay vultures cashing in...which they will anyway.>
Don`t forget us downunder in Aust and NZ.
By the way if anyone downunder needs a copy of the French International Ltd ed, let me know I have a few to trade or share cost of importing, about AU$50ea. MURV....when i get mine i could always buy another one(just nicked my sons CREDIT CARD...hehe) send it you and then VOILA...food for thought. Cheers Rocket Mick
You`re a gentleman and a scholar, cheers RM 
Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!
That would be so fantastic, i can't even put it in words !!! i already pre-ordered a copy of "Retro" from Amazon germany and it's labelled as an UK-import, but i really doubt that this is going to be a limited one...if there's any possibility to get any limited edition copies for the NOOLiner's from outside the UK i would appreciate this !!!
hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc 
Does the promo just have less stuff than the regular release?
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc
A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?
Originally posted by murv_hughes > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc
A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?
I'm sure 4:45 has mentioned many times there's no such thing as a cdr acetate. I've only ever bought promos on vinyl. Vinyl acetate deteriorates very rapidly and is probably only good for a dozen or so plays if that.
Originally posted by FourFortyFive There is good new on the horizon for fans in territories outwith the UK so please don't lose faith JUST yet!I'm gonna start charging for this stuff I can tell ya'!
Jonathan - thanks for this heart-warming news regarding non-UK fans - very intrigued... played telephone tag with HMV UK all yesterday afternoon to ensure the limited one could be ensnared and had no joy - reminds me of the search for Substance ltd double cassette box - was it really only available at Woolies or is that a distortion of the truth?!
looking forward to further news with baited breath. Many thanks.
Originally posted by Hank Wiseass© > Originally posted by murv_hughes> > > > Originally posted by Hank Wiseass©> > hmmm, just checked and there's 9 tracjs on the bonus disc
A question for you Hank, Ive often been tempted to buy promo CDs acetates, how long do these acetates last? Remain playable? Are they a waste of money?
I'm sure 4:45 has mentioned many times there's no such thing as a cdr acetate. I've only ever bought promos on vinyl. Vinyl acetate deteriorates very rapidly and is probably only good for a dozen or so plays if that.
So an acetate CD is only term to describe a promo cd, and they have longevity?
In general, I'm always wary of anything with "CD-R" in the title, be it acetate or promo. I mean, any idiot can record something on to CD-R, knock up a genuine looking label and sell it at an inflated price.
NB Any resemblance between that statement and eil.com is purely coincidental.
I feel I must join the masses and congratulate JS on his efforts - many many thanks.
Love the NME tracklisting ("Let's G" was from the 'Salvador' soundtrack, eh?)!! BTW, finally got hold of a second hand VHS copy of this the other day - crap film, great music is all I can say there - some of the songs sound different from the soundtrack, but I could be wrong...
Oh, and btw, Esprit's tracklisting for the promo misses off the last 5 live tracks off it's tracklisting, but it is on the promo for those completely insane people like myself who must own everything...
l8rs,
Nick ;)
