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In Hindsight Part 2

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Has anyone purchased the latest set of remixes from Razormaid yet?

I got them delivered last week. Excellent versions of Confusion and EGG.

Its a bit weird to hear the likes of YSF and Ultraviolence being remixed but overall they've done a decent job.

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Originally posted by Mr Disco Has anyone purchased the latest set of remixes from Razormaid yet?I got them delivered last week. Excellent versions of Confusion and EGG.Its a bit weird to hear the likes of YSF and Ultraviolence being remixed but overall they've done a decent job.

Where can i get them ???

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You have to sign up to their DJ service and send in an original signature etc before you can purchase anything.

The details should be on their website www.razormaid.com

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Originally posted by Mr Disco You have to sign up to their DJ service and send in an original signature etc before you can purchase anything.The details should be on their website www.razormaid.com

Their website is incomprehensible to me. What else is on this?

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Yeah, very weird navigation on their website...couldn't find any tracklist or whatever, only an average remix of "Confusion '87"... :moose:

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Originally posted by Marco Pleil Yeah, very weird navigation on their website...couldn't find any tracklist or whatever, only an average remix of "Confusion '87"... :moose:

Just follow this link then

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Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> Yeah, very weird navigation on their website...couldn't find any tracklist or whatever, only an average remix of "Confusion '87"... :moose:

Just follow this link then

Heck! What an UGLY sleeve! Why are NO these days ALWAYS associated with shitty sleeves?

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hm...dunno...the speed variations sound a bit...well..."wrong" ??? "Confusion" and "EGG" are way too slow and others are too fast. Or is this an artistic effect of remixing ???

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Originally posted by Mr Disco You have to sign up to their DJ service and send in an original signature etc before you can purchase anything.The details should be on their website www.razormaid.com

What exactly do you mean by "send in an original signature"? I don't remember having to do that for the first In Hindsight CD. Thanks in advance.

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Originally posted by Some Distant Memory > Originally posted by Mr Disco> You have to sign up to their DJ service and send in an original signature etc before you can purchase anything.> > The details should be on their website www.razormaid.com

What exactly do you mean by "send in an original signature"? I don't remember having to do that for the first In Hindsight CD. Thanks in advance.

If you are not already registered with them, there is a form you have to mail before being able to buy anything.

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Originally posted by Mr Disco You have to sign up to their DJ service and send in an original signature etc before you can purchase anything.The details should be on their website www.razormaid.com

MR DISCO can i have one (on cassette) please?:D

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I shudder at the thought of what those remixes might sound like - especially to a song as undeniably beautiful as Your Silent Face. Why can't some of these tunes be left alone for goodness sakes?

:(

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The guys at Razormaid usually do a great job - its probably worth a listen.

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These aren't stricly remixes, just re-edits of the album tracks. Nothing anyone couldn't do with a wav file editor on a PC, really. I've always wondered, if these are "Dj only" type mixes, whereabouts do DJs play any New Order songs in clubs these days, let alone longer, clipped about versions of them?

I've a feeling Razormaid only sell these things to the fans, rather than DJs!

Andy http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

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35$.. but damn it, I'm listening to Mr Disco, and it sounds GOOD...

Well, I know I shouldn't say this, but I guess it will surface one day in mp3 so I can evaluate it.. !

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Originally posted by Spotnick 35$.. but damn it, I'm listening to Mr Disco, and it sounds GOOD...Well, I know I shouldn't say this, but I guess it will surface one day in mp3 so I can evaluate it.. !

I wouldn't be so sure, Razormaid are very strict about copyright issues, as they've already had permission from the record company to edit these tracks. Here's a quote from an email I received regarding the ordering of this product:

There is one important thing that I wanted to mention about thisproject, which I wanted to wait until it was finished before mentioningit, so I would only have to state it once (I hope). So I would onlyhave to say it once (Okay?).Every disc from "In Hindsight II" is being "watermarked",electronically, just like we did with the "Reflections" project byDepeche Mode. That means upon shipping this disc, each of you will beassigned a unique "ID#", which will list the electronic watermarks foreach of the 11 songs on that disc.Those of you new to Razormaid and not knowing what an electronicwatermark is...Before the disc is burned, we go into each song (on each individual disc) and alter the song in a specific location, time wise. We do this to make prosecution against anyone trying to copy it - iron clad. Once we perform the "tagging", there is no disputing who was assigned thedisc and therefore making the arrest and prosecution of the individual trying to copy it, 100% effective.However, watermarking is time consuming.The way we do it, we go to a specific section of the song and in a location known only to us, we remove a "slice" of the song, that can be seen, but not heard. We remove a 50 millisecond section that can be seen, making it inaudible. This means this section can only be seen by taking a measurement of a specific location between one beat andanother, which would then link it back to the person assigned that ID#, when the disc shipped.There is no disputing the watermark, as only Razormaid and Warner Bros will have access to the watermark information, the same way that only razormaid and Mute had access to the Depeche Mode "Reflections" project.In other words, if we find that a disc has been copied, traded or transferred to an FTP, we need only download the song to our computer, to see who owned it - based on the "removal" section. Pretty nifty,huh?

The only thing one wonders about this, is what if the compression during any mp3 grabbing makes the bit which is removed obsolete, but I wouldn't have thought so. Sounds quite a clever way of doing things. All I know is that I've never seen these mixes on any mp3 sites before - not that they're all that good anyway. Give me the originals any day.

Andy http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

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Originally posted by Andrew Morrison These aren't stricly remixes, just re-edits of the album tracks. Nothing anyone couldn't do with a wav file editor on a PC, really. http://www.TrustNoOne.org.uk

aka "Cut'n'Paste" mixes?

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Let me have doubts...

Maybe uncompressed, but it would be a very difficult thing to keep the watermark inside a compression algorithm, as these algo remove unaudible sounds, and I think the watermark is unaudible.

Ah well, but it's enough to scare a lot of people though... ;)

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$35 are these guys nuts? That would be like NO charging $100 for Retro

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