Round & Round discography question for the collectors & experts... — Forum Archive

27 Nov 2002, 00:02

Alright...

Apparently the 7" version of R&R on the original 7" is 3:31, meaning this is an exclusive version only on vinyl.. true or false? or is it the same damn thing than on the CD single?

There is Round & Round 12" Version and 12" Remix.. the 12" Version aka Extended Version is the common one (clocks at 6:50 on my CD), but the 12" Remix, what is that? it seems only available on US releases, clocks at 6:53 and it can't be the Extended Version because on the 12": US 1989 (Qwest 9 21062-0), both are present.

Clock time is pretty close to the BEN GROSSE MIX, which clocks at 6:51 in my mp3.. so I guess this is it.

And there is the "LP edit - Chris Lord Alge Mix", which is also only available on US releases...

I'm going crazy here, let's see what the New Order discography website has to say:

    7": AU 1989 (Factory/CBS FAC 263-7)    7": CA 1989 (PolyGram 874 078-7) ****    7": FR 1989 (Virgin 90507)    7": GE 1989 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 050)    7": UK 1989 (Factory FAC 263)    7": US 1989 (Qwest 9 27524-7)   10": US 1989 (Grudman 7-27524-A) [acetate for side A]   10": US 1989 (Grudman 7-27524-B) [acetate for side B]   CSS: US 1989 (Qwest 9 27524-4)        3:31    Round & Round         3:59    Best & Marsh    7": US 1989 (Qwest DJ 27524-7) [DJ promo]        3:59    Round & Round (7" version)        3:47    Round & Round (edit)    7": US 1989 (Qwest PRO-S-3464) [promo]   10": US 1989 (Grudman ???) [acetate]        3:55    Round & Round (edit)        3:08    Fine Time (7 inch edit)    7": SP 1989 (Nuevos Medios 30-373S)                Round & Round                Round & Round    7": IT 1989 (CGD YD 743) [jukebox promo]                Round & Round                Milady [by Roberto Vecchioni]   10": US 1989 (Grudman DJ Ref) [acetate]        3:47    Round & Round (LP edit - Chris Lord Alge Mix)   12": AU 1989 (Factory/CBS FAC 263)   12": AU 1990 (Factory/Festival X14839)   12": GE 1989 (Rough Trade RTD 050T)   12": GE 1989 (Rough Trade M1-270)   12": SW 1989 (Factory/MNW FAC 263)   12": UK 1989 (Factory FAC 263)        6:50    Round & Round        4:32    Best & Marsh   12": BZ 1989 (WEA 6wp.1030) [promo]                Round & Round                [includes 2 tracks by other artists]   12": BZ 1989 (WEA 6wp.1055) [promo] [titled House Music 3]                Round & Round (12" remix)                [includes 5 tracks by other artists]   12": AU 1989 (Factory/CBS FAC 263R)   12": FR 1989 (Virgin 80448)   12": GE 1989 (Factory/Rough Trade RTD 050RT)   12": SP 1998 (Nuevos Medios 31372-M) [no inner sleeve]   12": SW 1989 (Factory/MNW FAC 263R)   12": UK 1989 (Factory FAC 263R) */+        7:07    Round & Round (club mix)        6:29    Round & Round (detroit mix)                Best & Marsh +   12": UK 1989 (Factory FAC 263DJ) [DJ promo]                Round & Round (Ben Grosse remix)                Round & Round (12" mix)                Round & Round (detroit mix)   12": US 1989 (Qwest 9 21062-0)   12": US 1989 (Qwest 0-21062) [white label promo]   12": US 1989 (Qwest 0-21062-A) [acetate for side A]   12": US 1989 (Qwest 0-21062-B) [acetate for side B]        6:50    Round & Round (12" version)        7:09    Round & Round (club mix)        6:53    Round & Round (12" remix)        4:32    Best and Marsh   CD3: AU 1989 (Factory/CBS FACD 263R) *   CD3: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D10148) *   CD3: UK 1989 (Factory FACD 263R) *        7:10    Round & Round (club mix)        6:52    Round & Round (twelve inch mix)        6:28    Round & Round (detroit mix)                   CD3: GE 1989 (Rough Trade RTDCD R 050) *        7:07    Round & Round (club mix)        6:29    Round & Round (detroit mix)        4:31    Best & Marsh **   CD5: AU 1989 (Factory/CBS FACD 263)   CD5: AU 1990 (Factory/Festival D10141)   CD3: GE 1989 (Rough Trade RTDCD 050)   CD5: UK 1989 (Factory FACD 263)        3:59    Round & Round (seven inch version)        5:10    Vanishing Point (instrumental making out mix)        6:50    Round & Round (twelve inch version)        3:31    Best & Marsh (seven inch version)   CD5: US 1989 (Qwest PRO-CD-3463) [promo]        3:59    Round & Round (7" version)        3:47    Round & Round (edit)        6:50    Round & Round (12" version)        6:53    Round & Round (12" remix)   12": CA 1989 (PolyGram 874 079-1)   CMS: CA 1989 (PolyGram 874 079-4)   CD5: CA 1989 (PolyGram TECH-2) [promo] ***   CD5: CA 1989 (PolyGram 874 079-2)        3:54    Round & Round        6:39    Round & Round (extended version)        4:32    Best & Marsh        7:07    Round & Round (the club mix)        6:29    Round & Round (the detroit mix)   CD5: JP 1989 (Factory/Nippon Columbia CY-5024)        6:50    Round & Round (twelve inch)        7:07    Round & Round (club mix)        6:28    Round & Round (detroit mix)        3:31    Best & Mash (seven inch) [misspelled on disc]+    Included on some pressings.*    Product is titled "Round & Remix". **   Not on track listings on sleeve or disc, but is on disc.***  Gatefold sleeve and custom graphics.**** Subtitled on sleeve "The picture you see is no portrait of me...".- 12" mix/remix is different to 12" version.- An FLLL edit on Prime Cuts V2/7 exists (PC 2-7).

Now the NOOL website has to say:

 New Order Round & Round Single Versions 7" Version 4:00  New Order Round & Round Album Versions 94 Version 3:59  New Order Round & Round Album Versions Album Version 4:29  New Order Round & Round Remixes Ben Grosse Remix 6:51  New Order Round & Round Remixes Club Mix 7:11  New Order Round & Round Remixes Detroit Mix 6:29  New Order Round & Round Remixes Extended Version 6:50  New Order Round & Round Remixes LP edit - Chris Lord Alge Mix 3:47

Which versions am I missing?

Thanks a lot.. you'll be seeing a lot of these in the next few days, I had the permission from this website to use their data (with proper credits of course) to finish our multimedia discography, but damn, the clock time are either wrong sometimes, or the same thing has 2 different times.. it's very confusing...!!

I'm trying to adjust my times with my current collection, but what I have is the canadian cd..

27 Nov 2002, 07:50

What a mess!

Not sure if it helps any, but heres what I can tell you based on the UK formats I have:

Twelve inch version : additional production by Stephen Hague (6:50)

Club mix : mixed by Ben Grosse and Kevin Saunderson (7:09)

Twelve inch mix : mixed by Ben Grosse (6:51)

Detroit mix : mixed by Kevin Saunderson (6:28)

27 Nov 2002, 07:53

And to think that the french bonus international disc has "Kevin Saunderson" mix for the 12" Version... :lol:

It's the only thing he didn't do!!

Thank you for that info, there is no credit at all on my CD Single... except for the sleeve...

27 Nov 2002, 07:55

I've got the lowly 7" single with best&marsh on the bside,

but do have a Round&Round Tshirt with a huge ampersand (&) on the front!!! :D

27 Nov 2002, 09:04

OK. The 12" Remix were mixed by Ben Grosse and it´s 6:53, according to my vinil. The 12" Version is the Stephen Hague mix (6:50 on the vinil, 6:51 on the CD :)) which were mislabeled on the CD (6:39)

27 Nov 2002, 09:14

I'm not aware of any 3:31 seven inch version. My FAC263 seven inch has the normal, 3:59 Stephen Hague produced seven inch verison on. As for that 'Chris Lord Alge Mix', I've never heard or seen it, but I've always assumed it's the American LP edit, which is 3:47 - maybe he did the (poor) editing on it.

Andy

27 Nov 2002, 10:29

Yes it's the american LP edit... done by Chris Lord Alge.

Thanks for the info on the 7".. as I was guessing, the New Order Discography is wrong again :nonono:

Well, they did an incredible job, so to them...

27 Nov 2002, 17:36

   CD3: UK 1989 (Factory FACD 263R) *        7:10    Round & Round (club mix)        6:52    Round & Round (twelve inch mix)        6:28    Round & Round (detroit mix)   CD5: UK 1989 (Factory FACD 263)        3:59    Round & Round (seven inch version)        5:10    Vanishing Point (instrumental making out mix)        6:50    Round & Round (twelve inch version)        3:31    Best & Marsh (seven inch version)*    Product is titled "Round & Remix".

Ha ha ha! I've got the CD5 FACD263. The title on the sleeve is "Round and round", but that on the CD is "Round and remix", which is supposed to be that of the CD3 FACD263R!