Retro:
a high - the lovely 17 minute Elegia, nice and clean soundng!
a low - the glue doesn't hold the plastic holder for disc 3 in place.
Over to you lot for yours...
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The highs and the lows
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High: The live Perfect Kiss take on Disc5 - reminds me just why I love that song & why it's done so well in the recent poll. :D
Low: I would have liked The Happy One to have made an appearance, but to be fair, I can't grumble (not on the day I just bought a Neworder box set & concert DVD - I mean come on !?!) :D :D
Get the Palatine Sample, et voilà, you'll have the Happy One on CD.
Problem is, there is no "whole" version, just the cut down snippets from Substance 89.
The only known full version was played live by Peter Hook at the Other Side of Midnight.
Originally posted by The Happy One couldn't tell you kids...ain't got my copy...YET!!!
Mine was mailed by sirendisc today; so I may get it in two weeks if I'm lucky.
I'll know what's great/not so great about it on the morning of Dec. 25th....so, what I'm saying is this is gonna be the best Christmas break ever :D
I've now got an original version of BRUTAL on CD !!
And to think I was perilously close to getting the Beach soundtrack at one point 
as i only had a live version and a version on MP3
Havent listened to much else yet, apart from the first two tracks off the live CD
Im saving the Bonus CD till last :D
Personally I think the fan disk is a really good collection. Of course there are going to be missed songs because the fans like more than 15 songs. The ones they put on there work very well for me.
I've already spent almost $50 for myself this holiday season (24HPP and Finsbury) so I'm gonna hold off for about another week or so until I can get my heartfelt gift certificates to Wal-Mart paid for (nothing says "Merry Christmas!" quite like a $5 gift certificate)
goddamm mail man (actually, she's a woman) still hasn't brought my copy...
still waiting...thinking of holding my breath..think that will get it here any quicker???
We should start a poll to see WHO will win the "Get my Retro first" contest in North America..
Bets are opened.. will USPS or CP win? ;)
Originally posted by The Happy One goddamm mail man (actually, she's a woman) still hasn't brought my copy...still waiting...thinking of holding my breath..think that will get it here any quicker???
put some pots on & watch them boil, has to arrive before they do!
Originally posted by hibster > Originally posted by The Happy One> goddamm mail man (actually, she's a woman) still hasn't brought my copy...> > still waiting...thinking of holding my breath..think that will get it here any quicker???
put some pots on & watch them boil, has to arrive before they do!
Or light up a fag, if its anything like waiting for a train or a bus then.......
HIGH'S: FAN and CLUB disks Here to stay instrumental, Eligia (17 min version), Temptation 98.
LOW's: I have better quality bootlegs than those featured on the LIVE disk, would have preferred the MOVE gig in its entirety from Old Trafford this year, or the Manchester Apollo reunion from 1998. My other low is the lack of N.O. involvement with the project, and the shitty booket, makes the JOY DIVISION box set look stunning compaired to this.
Nice touch with the dedication to Rob Gretton though,
High: That it got halfway around the world and to me on Monday. That and The Perfect Kiss on disc 5.
Low: I would have liked to see Mr. Disco on the fan disc.
Originally posted by Guyfamous High: That it got halfway around the world and to me on Monday. That and The Perfect Kiss on disc 5.Low: I would have liked to see Mr. Disco on the fan disc.
Damn...I'm in Northern California and neither of my 2 copies (HMV and Opal Music) have yet arrived. Who'd ya buy it from?
Originally posted by Kevin Mulvihill > Originally posted by Guyfamous> High: That it got halfway around the world and to me on Monday. That and The Perfect Kiss on disc 5.> > Low: I would have liked to see Mr. Disco on the fan disc.
Damn...I'm in Northern California and neither of my 2 copies (HMV and Opal Music) have yet arrived. Who'd ya buy it from?
"Retro" is already available in California. My favourite record store in Berkeley has several imported copies for $54.95 each. Haven't bought one of those yet, because I ordered one at HMV.
I ordered from HMV, but I paid for the faster delivery. It was worth it, not having to wait.
Originally posted by Spotnick We should start a poll to see WHO will win the "Get my Retro first" contest in North America..Bets are opened.. will USPS or CP win? ;)
I say mine comes today or tomorrow at the latest
"Retro" is already available in California. My favourite record store in Berkeley has several imported copies for $54.95 each. Haven't bought one of those yet, because I ordered one at HMV.
Would that be Mod Lang?
Highs: "Temptation" 12" in glorious digital sound, that "Paradise" remix and the full version of "Elegia". :)
Lows: The price I've paid for the faster delivery and the Brazilian taxes. :(
Originally posted by Andy T
"Retro" is already available in California. My favourite record store in Berkeley has several imported copies for $54.95 each. Haven't bought one of those yet, because I ordered one at HMV.
Would that be Mod Lang?
Yes! ;)
Nice touch to give ATR a namecheck on the booklet. JS should have been on there as well though.
High: original 12" versions of Temp and Conf, the Sabres remix of Regret, TPK video version, full length version of Best & Marsh.
Low: the mix up (again!) of Mesh and Cries & Whispers and yet another cd-version of the worst song ever: bloody Such A Wank Thing.
Originally posted by Bart Dupré Low: the mix up (again!) of Mesh and Cries & Whispers.
Read the booklet. They haven't got it mixed up.
Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Bart Dupré> > > Low: the mix up (again!) of Mesh and Cries & Whispers.
Read the booklet. They haven't got it mixed up.
Couldn't be bothered with that yet. I understand we learn some new facts then.
Originally posted by Bart Dupré > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> > > > Originally posted by Bart Dupré> > > > > > Low: the mix up (again!) of Mesh and Cries & Whispers.>
Read the booklet. They haven't got it mixed up.
Couldn't be bothered with that yet. I understand we learn some new facts then.
You can't really call it a low without reading it and listening to it then, can you ? That'd be like saying you like Slow Jam before you hear it !
Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Bart Dupré> > > > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> > > > > > > Originally posted by Bart Dupré> > > > > > > > > Low: the mix up (again!) of Mesh and Cries & Whispers.> > >
Read the booklet. They haven't got it mixed up.
Couldn't be bothered with that yet. I understand we learn some new facts then.
You can't really call it a low without reading it and listening to it then, can you ? That'd be like saying you like Slow Jam before you hear it !
(insert one of those laughy thingys in here) - That was funny. I love people complaining about things being wrong when the only thing wrong was the way they reached their conclusion without checking the facts.
Haven't listened to all of it, but the first big low was confirming that TPK on the live disc was in fact the Glasto '87 recording that we've all had for years - and not the one from Slough '85 as originally indicated.
got mine today, 1 week across the pond, not bad. just finished listening to the bonus cd and was pleased...more later
Highs: Video version of TPK, full length version of Elegia, original 12" versions of Temptation (though I already had it on CD) and Confusion, very good live version of EGG, live recordings are of good quality and most versions are very good, good idea to choose different themes for the four discs.
Lows: The booklet sucks, album version of TPK rather than the 12" version, album version of Elegia (useless if you have the bonus CD), same version of Ceremony as on Substance and International (they should have put the original one instead), Run Wild (I hate it and, furthermore, it comes in two different versions!), Every little counts (not that I hate it, but I don't see the point in putting it in this box set), incomplete version of Let's Go instrumental, 1995 version of Let's Go vocal (rather than the original 1984 demo), original versions of EGG and Shellshock on the Club disc, 7" version of TBTHOG on the club disc rather than the 12" version on the Pop disc or the Salvation version on the Fan disc, live version of Age of Consent very similar to that of the widely vailable BBC live recording, live version of TPK from this same recording, live versions of Crystal and Temptaton probably very similar to those on 511 (would have prefered older songs instead), Intermission by Alan Wise (funny the first time you hear it, but then you'll have to skip it every time you play this CD), missed opportunity to put very rare songs in the box set.
Making my way through Retro...
High: Live version of TPK on the bonus disc is brilliant.
Low: The booklet is terrible. I'm sure that there are pages missing from mine.
Highs - Everyone whining about things out of their control
Lows - Everyone whining about things out of their control
no really,
Highs - The live CD as a whole
Lows - Too many songs missing that you cannot get on CD anywhere
well, i'd say that the best was procession live, the booklet, and the bonus cd, with not enough live material the only dissapointment.
ahh, people in europe still haven't got it either?
hmm, so the bottle neck is the post service in the uk, and not canada post.
we canadian's are waiting too.
UPDATE: got it just after i posted this.
Originally posted by Patrick Among the highs: two Processions.Among the lows: three Fine Times.
not to mention fuck knows how many Elegias !
High: I don't have it yet (the waiting: the best part about buying something!)
Low: I'm going to have it (and will be deeply sadened by it's tracklisting...)
high: video version of TPK...do any of you know how many shite quality tapes I made of this thing???
low: the bastardization of Temptation on the bonus disc...
BUT...after a few listens...it's actually become fairly attractive now...
I thought JS had sent me Budvars signed CD's and the pen had rubbed off for a bit when i first opened my bonus disc 
Its has the most subtle of labelling, and is hard to determine that it is in fact Retro disc5 !
The high: the whole project, though had it appeared as Rob Gretton envisaged it would have been much better.
The lows: too many edited versions on the Club disc, notably 'Regret' and 'Touched...'.The greatest balls-ache is that much of the booklet is taken up by twat John McCready writing on his favourite subject (HIMSELF) while the band under discussion serve as a sort of incidental sidebar.
The high: This boxset prooves New Order are not done, this is obviously not a "career end" box set.
The lows:
I did copies of the CD and will probably never open the box again, not a useful format to bring with you at work, or anything.. the first 2 discs don't have much to offer to the fan that has mostly everything, except the 12" version of Confusion and Brutal (in my case)
Disc 3 contains useful material, but it's not a disc you wish to listen too often.
Disc 4 might be great, I have yet to listen to a version without the 2 seconds gaps did when I burned the mp3 promo on CD the first time.
Disc 5 was a nice attraction, but it was so rushed we got..
- The Perfect Kiss unedited, was the record session voices useful at the end of it?
- An edit of the Pink Noise Mix.. why? It was the only one already available on CD (Q Magazine), probably for royalties reasons.
- Let's G ? WTF? Why an extract.. fortunatly I have the Salvation soundtrack.
The booklet is nice, but it's not useful like was the Heart & Soul booklet.. once you have read it, you will store it and check it once every 5 years or so.
Overall it's a nice product, they could have done better, but well, who are we to judge them! It would however be nice to one day have a "hardcore fan" project selected by the fans for the fans.. this one was for mass public, then the bonus CD was added to be sure the hardcore fans would buy it..
Originally posted by Spotnick Disc 5 was a nice attraction, but it was so rushed we got..1) The Perfect Kiss unedited, was the record session voices useful at the end of it?
For once we didn't get the edited version of TPK and you dare to complain? 
Actually they could have done with putting the gig and date on the back cover for 'live' i found myself thumbing through the booklet to remind myself which live performance i was listening to.
Finally i got my "RETRO" Limited Edition today. My first impressions:
HIGHS:
- the three portraits of Barney, Hooky and Stephen taken from a Joy Division photo session -> spooky!
- Run Wild -> Steve Osbourne Original -> much better than the album-cut.
- Paradise Remix, Regret Remix, 1963 Remix (i only knew the radio edit before and this one is a bit different & longer).
- Brutal, Lonesome Tonight
- the live-versions of Procession, EGG, Fine Time.
- The Perfect Kiss video take.
LOWS:
- no Limited Edition in Germany
- True Faith Pink Noise Morel Edit -> who needs this one?
- Elegia full version -> in my opinion adds nothing new to the song. the edited album version is much better, less is sometimes more!
- Blue Monday and Crystal Remixes.
Originally posted by Marco Pleil - Elegia full version -> in my opinion adds nothing new to the song. the edited album version is much better, less is sometimes more!
That's what I thought the first time I heard it, some year ago. But since then, it has grown on me, and now I find it really briliant. The more so since this CD version is way better than the old mp3.
Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert > Originally posted by Marco Pleil> - Elegia full version -> in my opinion adds nothing new to the song. the edited album version is much better, less is sometimes more!
You could not hope to find a more perfect example of how you cant please everyone at once!!! 
Having had the full version of Elegia for around 15 years, I never could understand what all the fuss was about ! They didn't manage to say anything less in the 6 minute edit.....
Originally posted by M. Domingo Shizah!!! Mod Lang has Retro already?!?!?!?!?!? :(
And they still do. They had at least three boxes on tuesday noon.
Highs from me (so far) are the live version of Procession and the Paradise remix, but I haven't yet played the whole thing.
Biggest low for me was the Pink Noise remix, which I've never really cared for. The booklet seems to be okay, but I'm glad that the pic of Rob doing a pirouette is in there, I've always laughed at that one.
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