Is New Order the best band ever?

Time to sort the men from the kids, the fan from the simply curious, the NOOnliner from the NOpasserby, the poster from the lurker, the people with substance from the unsubstantiated claims, the I-pawned-my-mattress-to-follow-them-around from the I-wish-NO-would-come-and-play-at-my-local (not on a Friday cos' I play bowls then), the NOOL-is-my-umbilical-attachment-to-reality from the I-only-come-here-for-the-banter.

Let's start the year with a bang!

Alternative question: Is New Order the best a man can get? Or is it Gillette?

Oh, and my vote is a clear, unambiguous YES.

well, DUH! :D

OK, who is the one who's voted no?. Own up!

Even though I love The Fall, on this one occasion I have swayed the Order way.

Originally posted by ShugZV©
Only just....by pipping Half Man Half Biscuit;)

And there was me thinking you were more 10% man 90% biscuit :p

Without any doubt whatsoever, yes.

Well Skinny Puppy are pretty decent too...

Why else would we all be here? The answer is YES. Although The Cure/Depeche Mode/Erasure run a close joint second.

MB For the benefit of our North American members the last sentence was meant as a joke.

Their music, their attitude & the crap dancing. Simply the best by a wide country mile. :)

I had the first NO vote because the Jam is the best group of all time to me. NewOrder is tied for 2nd.

:D:D:D:D:D anita

Originally posted by mh Well Skinny Puppy are pretty decent too...

yes, skinny puppy is one of my favorites, but new order is new order! :)

I voted no - I could never name one band as "the best band ever". I think a real testiment of a truly great band is how much people still listen to them once they are done. Also, how timeless their music is. You could play JD for someone who never heard them and they would be hard pressed to tell the year of the recording. I love NO, they have always been on the top of my list - or sharing the spot with U2, Depeche Mode, The Cure, OMD, Ultravox, and They Might Be Giants. Feel free to tear me a new one... I might as well give you permission since you will do it anyway. It terms of greatness (in my humble and personal opinion), U2 and the Beatles would rank higher than NO.

Why aye........absolutely.... NOT!!

This geezer's band are - here on the left.

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Unequivocally no question aboot it. ;)

I'm gonna have to go with "no" if only because you have to go back to the Pistols, the Who, the VU and the Kinks to understand NO, as well as Iggy, Bowie, Buzzcocks, etc etc. But New Order are pretty high on my personnal list....

Yep, VU would have to be ahead of the Order. Not a favorite band of mine, but higher up the list of the greats. It seems that they influenced pratically everyone.

for me, Joy Division is the best band ever.

with The Jesus & Mary Chain coming in second.

actually, here's my top five bands of all-time (in order):

1. Joy Division
2. The Jesus & Mary Chain
3. The Cure
4. New Order
5. Skinny Puppy

For me it has to be Kon Kan, no question about it. ;)

Without a shadow of doubt, the best band ever. Although Hubert does have a point, Fugazi are top notch also CTB

Didn't realise complete one-eyed obsession with the band was a pre-requisite to posting here.... They're pretty good, of course, but not a patch on the Fall.

Originally posted by Mickey Way For me it has to be Kon Kan, no question about it. ;)

Yeah I was going to go with Information Society, Kagagoogoo, or Snap....but you are right...there is no one better than Kon Kan

;)

Originally posted by Taboo # 7 I'm gonna have to go with "no" if only because you have to go back to the Pistols, the Who, the VU and the Kinks to understand NO, as well as Iggy, Bowie, Buzzcocks, etc etc. But New Order are pretty high on my personnal list....

While I have to agree to an extent with you and Wolfie that there may be more "important" or even "better" bands I think its also important to consider the following:

1. Clearly Budvar's question could be translated to mean "my favorite band of all time" in which case I would have to go with a qualified yes (as long as JD and Electronic and Monaco could be included in that)

2. How many "important" or "great" bands have survived and succeeded in so many different genres of music as well as so many permutations. I would offer for your consideration that JD is widely credited with being seminal to the "goth" movement (at least according to Bono :) (BTW I think that anyone who thinks that JD is Goth doesn't get it). NO is widely credited with inspiring and legtitimizing electronic dance music (what other song do you hear all the time from the early 80's). NO is widely credited with helping to foster the Manchester scene that produced a slew of great bands.

To summarize:

--creation of post punk (not Goth) genre --popularizing and dominating dance music (look at the dance charts from 1983 through 1993...almost every single charted in the top two or three) --Side Projects with hit songs

3. How many bands can claim "hits" in 4 different decades? How many can claim hits with side projects?

4. Many of the groups that you mention would fall apart with the removal of one member (or are individuals "Iggy" and not bands to begin with. I would argue that the concept of "band" would mean that all members are important but that the removal of any member would not necessarily mean the collapse of the music etc. Between Electronic, Monaco (not revenge) and TOT I think you could argue that you have 5 very creative individuals that are capable of producing hits in their own right and yet can consistently mesh together to also create genius.

My 2 cents...

Originally posted by Budvar Huber Time to sort the men from the kids, the fan from the simply curious, the NOOnliner from the NOpasserby, the poster from the lurker, the people with substance from the unsubstantiated claims, the I-pawned-my-mattress-to-follow-them-around from the I-wish-NO-would-come-and-play-at-my-local (not on a Friday cos' I play bowls then), the NOOL-is-my-umbilical-attachment-to-reality from the I-only-come-here-for-the-banter.

Ummm I like/listen to/and am influenced by NO/JD/Electronic so much that it creeps out my good friends and my fiancee....

I listed to NO/JD/E every day...they are the soundtrack of my life...and just like Barney says on Finsbury...they often bring me right back to a certain place and time.

As an example: The Crystal single is imprinted from my vacation to Capri last year...I can't hear the song without being back there kicking it on the Mediterranean in August :)

Let's start the year with a bang!

Alternative question: Is New Order the best a man can get? Or is it Gillette?

Originally posted by Hydrapelican > Originally posted by Budvar Huber> Time to sort the men from the kids, the fan from the simply curious, the NOOnliner from the NOpasserby, the poster from the lurker, the people with substance from the unsubstantiated claims, the I-pawned-my-mattress-to-follow-them-around from the I-wish-NO-would-come-and-play-at-my-local (not on a Friday cos' I play bowls then), the NOOL-is-my-umbilical-attachment-to-reality from the I-only-come-here-for-the-banter.> > > Ummm I like/listen to/and am influenced by NO/JD/Electronic so much that it creeps out my good friends and my fiancee....> > I listed to NO/JD/E every day...they are the soundtrack of my life...and just like Barney says on Finsbury...they often bring me right back to a certain place and time.> > As an example: The Crystal single is imprinted from my vacation to Capri last year...I can't hear the song without being back there kicking it on the Mediterranean in August :)> > Let's start the year with a bang! > > Alternative question: Is New Order the best a man can get? Or is it Gillette?

Geeez.. here is my actual reply...gotta learn to use technology: :0

Ummm I like/listen to/and am influenced by NO/JD/Electronic so much that it creeps out my good friends and my fiancee....

I listed to NO/JD/E every day...they are the soundtrack of my life...and just like Barney says on Finsbury...they often bring me right back to a certain place and time.

As an example: The Crystal single is imprinted from my vacation to Capri last year...I can't hear the song without being back there kicking it on the Mediterranean in August

For the sake of this thread and for my love of their music, I will say yes...they were one of the first bands to really grab my attention. How can you not like New Order?!?!?

Originally posted by M. Domingo For the sake of this thread and for my love of their music, I will say yes...they were one of the first bands to really grab my attention. How can you not like New Order?!?!?

But that does not totally answer the question. Is New Order the greatest band? That is something completely different

Originally posted by Grigori Rasputin..the mad monk is back! I say yes...if only because of the strong John Denver influence....

:D :D :D :D :D

But that does not totally answer the question. Is New Order the greatest band? That is something completely different

The only answer is that there is no such thing as the bestest ever band in the world etc.

All we can do is express our personal favourites, be they NO or otherwise. It's all subjective, which is what makes it such good fun ;)

Hmmmmmm...they may just be. But for some weird reason (I think it's my medication...:P ) I am leaning towards Alvin & The Chipmunks at the moment...

Originally posted by Johnny Giles > Originally posted by Al Jarvis It never ceases to amaze me just how LITERALLY people can take a simple question!Is New Order the Best Band ever? Well, yes ... in MY opinion (and surely this poll was garnering personal opinions, no?)But I'm sure if I did a straw poll of my office between New Order and, say, ABBA, then the latter would walk it, hands down. So, presumably, I should've voted NO, by imagining what my office would've thought. Or the general public? Heaven's above!

Well said that man.

Now, it would be churlish of me to draw attention to any geographical trends here, wouldn't it? ;)

Not churlish....spot on.

Alright, I would have to agree with you on that, Spotnick...but I still leave my answer to the question as "yes". :)

Hmm, so it appears New Order have been scientifically determined to be the best band ever. I think we have a representative, randomly selected sample here, no?

Originally posted by 404 error Hmm, so it appears New Order have been scientifically determined to be the best band ever. I think we have a representative, randomly selected sample here, no?

According to my calculations...you are correct in your surmation of this exercise 404.

Originally posted by Spotnick My answer is no.. they might be MY favorite band, but they are not the best of all time.But I must say that I think that if Ian was still around, Joy Division might have that title... because you add another creator in all the material that New Order did, and it might have turned quite more amazing.It's pure speculations and we'll never know of course, but sometimes I think it could have turned differently.Of course, the "indie" didn't turn them into a commercial success, and the punk attitude says that they don't care about commercial success anyways, so it's probably the best way to be creative.I'm quite sure the lyrics would have been better with Ian though ;)

Never been better said. NO is a great band, a favorite. But, they are not the greatest band ever. I do agree that JD could have become the greatest band ever had Ian stayed with us. But (there are always buts) I suspect the band would not have continued with him because of his epilepsy. He was a great force behind JD, but severely limited by his sickness, which was intensified by band demands. Now, if Ian did not have epilepsy, and he didn't die... JD would have been the most powerful force from the 70's to reckon with, hands down. People love to talk about how JD would have proceeded if Ian did not die. Reality tells me, he would have either left or asked to leave the band because he really could not play live in a reliable manor. Sad, but probably true.

You shouldn't ask this question. It's the same as asking you're mate if he is your best friend. After the answer things will never be the same. NO is a great friend, a true friend, unfortunately not my best, so I have to go with 'no'......