All other things being equal, would you take it or leave it?

I say Barely Leave It - if there were much fewer of them and not in songs like Atmosphere, I would like it better.

I like the whoops. He's enjoying himself.

:D:D:D:D:D anita

as long as he doesn't dance, I don't mind.

The mutha is having a good time for the first time in his life...I say "Leave 'im alone!"

Originally posted by Spotnick Well.. as long as it's not in the studio versions ;)

Well, if it's tackful like TPK, Face Up or ELC, I think it's OK.

It's fine, just not on JD songs...I don't remember Ian whooping during Atmosphere

WHOOP IN SILENCE....:D

...he'd rather learn his lyrics properly instead.

ooooh you've got whooooooooops eyes!!

DJ

Leave them. They are an integral part of New Order. Barney might have his shortcomings, but we love him nevertheless.

Those woops are kind of annoying...

The whoops are by & large great - they show Barney's actually enjoying himself up there (& we all know Barney's reluctance to play live has in the past reduced the amount of NO we get to see.):)

But not in Atmosphere, please. :(

I like the whoops, except in JD songs. The Barnster has got an incredible ability to fuck up Atmosphere when he starts whooping in it. But he would fuck it up otherwise as well, so... I'm keeping the whoops.

Yeah, leave them. Like so many others have said, he's enjoying himself, really getting into the music and performance, so what's wrong with spontaneous expressions of happiness? Likewise with the dancing. And if he wants to shout "YEAAAHHHHH LETS ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!" during Atmosphere, that's even fine by me. Isn't it about time the shroud of precious morbidity was removed from that song anyway?

Besides, the guy's a genius, he's already proven himself, so if he wants to behave like a twat, why shouldn't he?

Seems like most like them (which doesn't surprize me), but I am surprized by the number of people that specifically mentioned that he should not do it during JD songs. The JD whoop thing is why I decided to find out what others thought. I feel much the same, JD whoops sound really odd, especially during mood songs like Atmosphere.

Indeed, lets face it he is enjoying his self, and why bloody not!! thats the reason they formed in the first place!!

Ok i think we all know how immensely powerful Atmosphere can be without the whoops (just look at 316 for example) but maybe he finds that the whoops help him get under the skin of a track and pull out a better performance, or mebbe its like those bizzare faces he used to pull and he doesnt even realize he's doing it!!!

Originally posted by DoN Indeed, lets face it he is enjoying his self, and why bloody not!! thats the reason they formed in the first place!!Ok i think we all know how immensely powerful Atmosphere can be without the whoops (just look at 316 for example) but maybe he finds that the whoops help him get under the skin of a track and pull out a better performance, or mebbe its like those bizzare faces he used to pull and he doesnt even realize he's doing it!!!

Could be, but I don't have to hear his faces when listening to live stuff... so Barney... make all the faces you want from now on.

i'm going to ride the fence on this one because i think it is one thing to whoop live (an see it) as opposed to hearing it on a cd. i know that listening to it on a cd can be annoying at times, but since i'm still a live order virgin i do not think i can give a fair assessment

I think Barney may be suffering from Tourette's syndrome.

I personally enjoy the whoops. They have a certain charm in their randomness. I wonder who's whoops came first? Barney's or fat Bob's? I know The Cure started using whoops around 1983. Wasn't Barney whooping back in the days of the Movement tour?

Originally posted by The Dick I personally enjoy the whoops. They have a certain charm in their randomness. I wonder who's whoops came first? Barney's or fat Bob's? I know The Cure started using whoops around 1983. Wasn't Barney whooping back in the days of the Movement tour?

Yeh, I've an 81 bootleg with whoops in In A Lonely Place!!!

And you all thought it was bad in Atmosphere...

As long as he whoops, dances badly and reads from an autocue... its Ok by me:D

With regards to whoops on albums, the whoops on Weirdo are actually part of the song and you cant help but whoop along at the appropriate time, it would not sound right without somehow.

So to sum up...

Subtle studio whoops are cool

Loud Yaaaaaaaaaays during live renditions of Atmosphere arent so cool

Originally posted by Rocket Mick WHOOP IN SILENCE....:D

Absolute gold Rocket Mick! Had me laughing anyway. But yeah, whooping during atmosphere is a sin but is pretty annoying during the New order stuff as well. It would be alright if they were well timed but often they are not and are just sudden bursts of dickheadedness. I say barely leave them only because he needs to get the timing right. It's good to know that he is having the time of his life up there.

And i sincerely doubt that Ian would whoop during his songs because he isn't an arse.

Originally posted by Stephen Bradley > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> WHOOP IN SILENCE....:D

Absolute gold Rocket Mick! Had me laughing anyway. But yeah, whooping during atmosphere is a sin but is pretty annoying during the New order stuff as well. It would be alright if they were well timed but often they are not and are just sudden bursts of dickheadedness. I say barely leave them only because he needs to get the timing right. It's good to know that he is having the time of his life up there.

And i sincerely doubt that Ian would whoop during his songs because he isn't an arse.

Cheers STEPHEN and must say you are LOOKING well!:D

Originally posted by Stephen Bradley > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> WHOOP IN SILENCE....:D

Absolute gold Rocket Mick! Had me laughing anyway. But yeah, whooping during atmosphere is a sin but is pretty annoying during the New order stuff as well. It would be alright if they were well timed but often they are not and are just sudden bursts of dickheadedness. I say barely leave them only because he needs to get the timing right. It's good to know that he is having the time of his life up there.

And i sincerely doubt that Ian would whoop during his songs because he isn't an arse.

wasnt an arse...

Talking of the illustrious Ian (r.i.p) how do you think you would react to his erratic dancing now days, and did you prefer it to Barneys "BARNEY WIGGLE IT" (watch cities in the park and listen to the girl in crowd!!)

Originally posted by mh > Originally posted by The Dick> I personally enjoy the whoops. They have a certain charm in their randomness. I wonder who's whoops came first? Barney's or fat Bob's? I know The Cure started using whoops around 1983. Wasn't Barney whooping back in the days of the Movement tour?

Yeh, I've an 81 bootleg with whoops in In A Lonely Place!!!

And you all thought it was bad in Atmosphere...

It's criminal!

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Wolfmann> I say Barely Leave It - if there were much fewer of them and not in songs like Atmosphere, I would like it better.

Er, Wolfie, my friend, you've never seen New Order live, so why comment?

I don't see what's wrong with the odd whoop during Atmosphere; how do we know Curtis wouldn't have been whooping it up himself, had he been alive today.

Newsflash - you don't have to SEE something in order to HEAR something - different senses there.

I'd be willing to wager lots of $ seeing NO while hearing Barney whoop during songs like IALP and Atmosphere would only make it worse. Kind of like seeing a picture of a pile or crap vs. having to see it and smell it - it just gets worse with every sense that you add.

I'm with Mr Jarvis on this one.New Order have always been a warts and all live experience.You pay your money you take your choice.

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by Wolfmann> > > > > > Newsflash - you don't have to SEE something in order to HEAR something - different senses there.>

You're taking it out of context. If you weren't there, I don't see how you can comment. And some of us do bother seeing New Order live so it's not really someone's place who can't be arsed to be lecturing us on what we should/shouldn't hear, now is it?

And how do people know Curtis wouldn't have ended up being a 47 year old arse, as I assume is being implied that Barney is. Look at Sumner 20+ years ago - miserablism personified on stage. And now look at the little fella. Curtis already had the dickhead dance, perhaps he could've developed the whooping too?

I do love all these Joy Division songs coming out of the woodwork though. If only Curtis knew he had all these fans, perhaps he might not have been so depressed.

It's not an issue of bothering to see New Order. If they come anywhere near me, I will go see them. I have a family to think about, so I ain't a goin' to fly somewhere to see them. My hat goes off to those who can afford to do that, but I cannot... it doesn't mean that I am any less of a fan though. Also, don't get too down on my opinion as several other people (who have seen them) feel the same way. I didn't start this thread to get everyone to accept my opinions (as uninformed as they are), I merely wanted to find out what others thought.

P.S. I never hung out with Ian, so I my opinion on the whole "Would Ian be whooping" thing won't apparently be of any value, so I will let other people address that.

Originally posted by Infinite apathy as long as he doesn't dance, I don't mind.

Damned bloody right. I have the 316 dvd and man....the whoops are awesome but the dancing......let's just say it can be a big daggy at times trying to show it off to 2000's generation...

I like when he whoops right before the chorus in Bizarre Love Triangle. I'd feel like something was missing if he didn't.

yeh, maybe hooky should be give a mike so he could 'woop' as well.

I don't mind it as long as he doesn't over do it.

Originally posted by Grell yeh, maybe hooky should be give a mike so he could 'woop' as well.

I wonder what it would be like if they could whoop in parts? Maybe a tenor and baritone dual whoop would be really pretty? Add Gillian and you could have a nice Trio... like the 3 Tenors, but not all tenors... or men.