A Tribute to New Order 02 / 03.....FAO Francois. — Forum Archive

9 Jan 2003, 18:23

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Warm Hands, Cold Heart> > > > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> > > > > > > Originally posted by Spotnick> > > > > > > > > I'll be pleased to promote it when it will be ready, hence there is two onliners covers on this. I told him to get it touch with Fred West and the Martian to get THEIR covers as well if they are bearable > > >

You'll be able to judge for yourself how bearable the FW/Martian collaborations were when you receive your little CD bundle soon !

I was surprised at how much your version of Digital was good (was it really Digital -- can't remember for sure). That could certainly be put on a cover compilation like that one, studio or live.

Think about it !

Truth was FW, Marty and Jim Reilly. Thieves Like Us, Day of the Lords and Warsaw were FW, Perfect Kiss was Marty, FW, Jimbo, Liv, Major and Jugga from Fat Shaft.

You may have only heard Day of the Lords, which would certainly need some post-production before ever seeing the light of day !!

Yes, that was the one! Solo on voice & guitar!

9 Jan 2003, 20:37

BTW, I just got the No. 1 Blue Murder CD... (Thanks Martin.. if you read this, instead of posting on the french forum :lol: ) I must say, nice artwork guys, but when I got the CD I said it was too much ;)

Sounds is quite good for a live recording.

Now I'm off to see what's track 2 to 4 :skeptic:

10 Jan 2003, 01:10

I'll try to translate on the fly my review, sorry but I posted it via email, and well, I'm french too, so ;)

Ceremony

Well, it's difficult to beat Galaxy 500's cover, but is a really good version.

Grade: A

Temptation

I wasn't sure at the beginning, but finally, it's a really ood version.

Grade: A

Age of Consent

Very good musically, but somebody is trying to sign too high like Bernard ;)

Grade: B

Your Silent Face

Atmospheric version....! Difficult to attack one of my favorite song, but they are doing well...>

Grade: B+

Blue Monday

Not too bad for a slow version, but if I'm right, it's the first female vocalist on New Order (editor's note.. not true, Fluke did it first) it reminds me of Lundi Bleu by The Times...

Grade: A-

Lonesome Tonight

Hum.. not sure ;) It might be the recording, but the mixing is not really good, either it's the singer's accent that is too noticable, or his voice is too loud, but I love the music on that song usually, so something must be wrong. The end is too short.

Grade: C+ (Editor's note.. sorry Klumpy!! Honestly, it's a grower)

The Perfect Kiss

Hum, I don't like the keyboards at the beginning too much, but in a whole, it's not so bad, of course it's only an instrumental intro... IMHO, it reminds me too much of the sound of a kid casio keyboard when I was young.

Grade: C-

Shellshock

First of all, I don't like Shellshock as a New Order song. The intro is great, it's not so great when the vocals begin, but I must say it's a very surprising version! It has a lot of potential!

Well, I didn't listen to the whole song.. I'm not sure about the end though, and there is no chorus.. If you have read my thread about the good cover version of Shellshock I've found, it might be a good idea to add a chorus like that.

Not convinced by the end, but it's original...

Grade: A-

True Faith

I'm not convinced by the singer I must say ;)

Grade: B

1963

Little note, I prefet when it's spelled "Nineteen63" like on the single ;)

Then, it must have been a good idea to ask them to listen to the Arthur Baker Remix, which I think is a massive enhancement to this song, with Peter Hook's bass at the beginning.

It's quite like the original, I must say that at the beginning I was wondering what was happening, but it's a little "country" :D

Sounds like Simon & Garfunkel too...

Grade: B

Round and Round

I had already heard that one.. it's good for this type of song.. there is always the error "if you met with me" instead of "mess with me", the accent is rough sometimes in the chorus, but, it's a french tribute! I hope they will include the techno sounds of Round & Round...!

Grade: B+

Brutal

Surprising choice, but, it's in Paris that they did it for the first time. A Brutal without the backing vocals, it can only enhance a song, but the vocals need some equalizer job. Musically good, my only comment would be that the singer is never changing his tune (?)

I am waiting for the final version.

Grade: B+

Crystal

Not sure about the vocals ;) They have a good idea for the music though. What a name they have!

Grade: B

Rock The Shack

I was intrigued... Well, I'm not conviced by the vocals, but it can't be worst than the original vocals ;) You should show them the BBC version...

Grade: B+

Bizarre Love Triangle

:)

Comment

I must say it's a melancholic album, just like The Cure's Disintegration (in terms of mood), there is no high tempo tune, it's very relax, like "Leave Me Alone" for instance.

I'm not sure The Perfect Kiss, Round & Round and Rock The Shack fits on the album.

I must see, I'd see easily the album beginning or ending with an instrumental like Elegia or Don't Do It.

I must say it's a lot better than most Tribute I've head...!!!

There are a few songs I would have like to listen in this kind of mood, like Dreams Never End, Touched by the Hand of God, Special, Mr Disco, by exemple, and some would go on that album without modifications, like Leave Me Alone, Turn My Way, Ruined in a day, This time of night.

10 Jan 2003, 07:20

Originally posted by francois-marc loze > Originally posted by ShugZV© > > > > Originally posted by francois-marc loze> > Wow. Thanks for the review Shug and Mick too -whenever it will come- (et merci a toi aussi Nicolas mais je te l'ai deja ecrit, non?). Just came back from work and I was really surprised to see my name on one thread. The thing, to tell u the truth, is i did not expect u to post your review on NOOL. I thought u would just send an email to tell me what u think about it... Ahem. But it's really cool. Thanks heaps lot for the review. >

Nae bother Francois, I was gonna send it by e-mail, but I liked it that much, I decided to put it on here, hope I haven't got anyone into any trouble, as I've already said, there will be a video on the way very soon, as a thank you. Keep in touch and let me know what the plans for release etc.. are :beer: And Brasco, we'll play it when we get back from the pub next friday :beer: I'll phone you later. No worries Shug ;) . I am actually really glad and relieved Mick and you liked it! :D I am not against the fact you and Mick burn it and send it to other people cos after all it is only a CD of demos (except from the Brendan's track) and it is very interesting to get feedbacks from all of u NOOLINERS... Just please. If ever this project comes finally through (does it make sense?) and there is a definitive CD, promise me you wont burn it ! :deal: I will BUY the DEFINITIVE one and NOT burn it! :nod:

10 Jan 2003, 09:05

CD came this morning (cheers guys :clap: :D)

My views....

Ceremony - Nice intro and great drumming. Overall not bad at all. 7/10

Temptation - This is great, very chilled out. I like the guy's voice. 9/10

Age of consent - Fantastic version. Love the feedback guitars and the bleepy noises. 10/10

Your silent face - Takes too long to get into the song really, not sure about the vocals, and that drum is a bit annoying. 5/10

Blue Monday - A brave attempt at an acoustice style BM. Doesn't really work for me. 5/10

Lonesome Tonight - Love this guys voice. But i'm not sure i was supposed to find this funny, oh well i enjoyed it. 7/10

Perfect kiss - Very short, but good. More please! 8/10

Shellshock - Great piano. Very nice slow version. 8/10

True Faith - Hmm. Interesting singing. Love the way it really kicks in for the chorus. reminds me of guns and roses for some reason! 7/10

1963 - Once you get over the accent this is a good version. Funky double vocal type thing going on. Got my feet tapping, so it must be OK. 8/10

Round and Round - Another short one. Vocalist sounds quite a bit like barney in places. Good music, rather like a cross between BM 95 and True faith perfecto mix. 7/10

Brutal - Great music, but the vocals are drowned out. Still enjoyable. 6/10

Crystal - Didn't like this one. Too downbeat and a bit boring. Sorry guys! 4/10

Rock the shack - An improvement on the original, but that's not saying much! Only joking. 6/10

There you go, I didn't read anyone else's reviews before i did this. This is my honest opinion. Overall the standard was excellent. Age of consent was my fave track.

10 Jan 2003, 09:32

Major, yer review echoes mine.......Great Minds eh?;)

10 Jan 2003, 09:34

Exactly. :D

10 Jan 2003, 10:01

hmmm, this reviewing thing is harder than I thought...

Ceremony I Like the interpretation of the guitar parts. Very 'edgy'. Not sure about the vocals at first , but that seems to be true of all cover versions, its like, 'thats not Barney, what have you done with Barney?'. Usually they grow on you, I expect this will do likewise. What accent is that? At one point it actually sounds Welsh (though I'm assuming it actually isn't). I'm not normally a big fan of English vocals by people who's first language isn't English (cf Flunk's acoustic Blue Monday, or that Japanese tribute album), I always think it would have been _much_ more interesting to have had the lyrics translated into the native language of the coverer. No offense to non native English speakers, but I just think, say, a Norweigan Blue Monday, or a French Round&Round would be cool.

Temptation Radically different intepretation, which is a GOOD THING (such a good thing). Thats Blue Monday, BLT and now Temptation we have acoustic versions of - acoustic substance here we come. Very nice, highly Jesusandmarychainy, which is another GOOD THING as far as I am concerned. Yeah, I like this a lot (maybe my favourite of the cd), can't find anything wrong with it. Mind you its impossible to completely ruin this song, given that its the greatest song ever made by anyone anywhere. I'd like to hear Beethoven cover it, the way he did the Order's Xmas flexi.

Age Of Consent Noticably different from the original, more downbeat. Very listenable, though I prefer the joyous exhuberance of the original to the more solemn take on it here.

Your Silent Face Another very solemn one, almost monastic (what _is_ that word that goes something like 'sephucural' and seems to fit this sound???? Its driving me nuts trying to remember it. Someone throw me a bone here). Like the synth parts, less keen on the percussion, don't know why exactly. A better than average cover though.

Blue Monday This sounds very very similar to the Flunk Acoustic cover. Is it a cover of a cover? Though I think I prefer the vocals on this one to Flunk's version (less of a Norwegian accent), and there's a bit more going on instrumentally. (PS, anyone got the various remixes of the Flunk version on cd or mp3?)

Lonesome Tonight This sounds very odd. Again, totally different to the original, which is good. Not sure what I make of it, needs further listening.

The Perfect Kiss Instrumentally not too bad, but the keyboard noises are, dare I say it, a trifle cheesy. Short and instrumental - just an excerpt?

Shellshock Not a huge fan of the original, to the extent that I'd say all the covers I've heard so far improved on it. This one is...interesting. The singer's accent/mannerism reminds me of someone. John Lennon? Bowie? The ending is...even more interesting. Is it possible the coverers didn't much like this song either?

True Faith Good grief. The Beverly Hill Billies cover True Faith? OK, but the vocal mannerisms/accent is distracting.

Round&Round A decent version (though presumably not complete, at 1.06?). Another one where I'd have much prefered to hear the lyrics translated rather than have a non English-as-a-first-language singer tackling it in English.

Brutal Another one where I'm not a huge fan of the original. I think they definitely have the right idea by rocking it up a bit with distortion etc. Decidedly lo-fi. Does it need more production or is that the intent? Reasonably good version of a middling song.

Crystal Crystal as a dirge. Very hard to do something distinctive with this after the 10,000 or so remixes done in that acid foundary competition. They make a good stab at it though. The expression 'slack jawed' seems to fit somehow. To be honest the vocalist isn't first rate - but then neither is Barny.

Rock the Shack Not sure about this one on first listen, to be fair I never liked the original anyway, and at least this doesn't have Bobby Gillespie on it. Seems faster than the original, almost as if they're rushing to get it over with.

Bizarre Love Triangle er...I think this one still needs a bit more production work, no?

...forgot 1963

1963 Decent version, rather muddy production. Not hugely exciting but a nice jaunty version. For some reason it makes me think of buskers, but not in a bad way. (if it was faster and more shouty it would sound like the Violent Femmes)

Not being able to sleep I had a listen to the Flunk version, and come to the conclusion the version on the tribute album _is_ by flunk. The vocals are almost identical. It sounds like a demo of the already released version, or one of the vinyl-only mixes that I've never heard maybe. Is that right? (what's the point of vinyl-only releases, by the way?)

10 Jan 2003, 11:41

Oh, and thanks to the rocket for the cd.

10 Jan 2003, 12:43

I'm sure one could do a 'cross mix' of that temptation one with the JAMC's 'some candy talking'.

10 Jan 2003, 17:52

Thanks Shug and Mick for sending those CD-R. It's really nice of u and I do appreciate it a lot. Did Chris Nash get one too? I hope he did. And thanks to all of u, guys, for the reviews. I will try to give u more infos tomorrow concerning this project cos it's getting late now.

10 Jan 2003, 18:38

Originally posted by francois-marc loze Thanks Shug and Mick for sending those CD-R. It's really nice of u and I do appreciate it a lot. Did Chris Nash get one too? I hope he did. And thanks to all of u, guys, for the reviews. I will try to give u more infos tomorrow concerning this project cos it's getting late now.

Not heard from him YET!But one was dispatched yesterday.I have sent your fine artwork too.I still have to review this myself but have been recording a lot of 12 inch ORIGINAL singles of the ORDER.Just send me your address and i will send you some of the CD-Rs that over 40 NOOL's have received recently.I intend a full review to be posted soon and have listened to these tracks several times recently. :nod: Once again thanks to all those concerned. Cheers Rocket Mick

10 Jan 2003, 19:30

Hmm, could I get one too, I could write a review from a NO newbie's point of view, since I've only listened NO intensively for something like three months :)

11 Jan 2003, 10:44

What is the point?, only newOrder sound like newOrder.

12 Jan 2003, 15:44

Originally posted by ShugZV©
6 Lonesome Tonight / UNE VIE AUSTEREDon't ask me why, but this song has grown on me a lot over the last couple of months, once I got past the accent of the singer, it's really good.

The accent of the singer ? What do you mean ? :uhoh:

Well, thanks Shug, I really appreciate that... :nod:

12 Jan 2003, 15:46

Originally posted by Spotnick BTW Shug.. the singer on Lonesome Tonight is.... Buster Klumpy!!!

Buster Who ?! :eek3:

12 Jan 2003, 15:56

Originally posted by Spotnick Lonesome TonightHum.. not sure ;) It might be the recording, but the mixing is not really good, either it's the singer's accent that is too noticable, or his voice is too loud, but I love the music on that song usually, so something must be wrong. The end is too short.Grade: C+ (Editor's note.. sorry Klumpy!! Honestly, it's a grower)

No problem, Nic, but maybe I should clarify one thing or two.

This was indeed recorded in poor conditions, at home, on a 4-track tape recorder with the other member of Une Vie Austère on keyboards and myself singing and playing the guitars.

I'm glad to see it could be a grower though...

12 Jan 2003, 15:59

Originally posted by Poor Leno Lonesome Tonight - Love this guys voice. But i'm not sure i was supposed to find this funny, oh well i enjoyed it. 7/10

Well, whatever your reaction, if you like it, that's the main thing...

12 Jan 2003, 16:01

Originally posted by 404 error

Lonesome Tonight This sounds very odd. Again, totally different to the original, which is good. Not sure what I make of it, needs further listening.

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Hope it's a grower on you too... :nod:

15 Jan 2003, 18:03

Right, first of all thanks to Rocket Mick for the copy :)

Track by track.....

Ceremony - didn't really happen for me by the end of the second play, but maybe it will. Sounds to me that they couldn't quite make their minds up whether to do a straight cover or to toy with it a bit.

Temptation - superb. Absolutely excellent acoustic version that has now been played about six times already. Plaintive voice works realy well.

Age of Consent - heard rave reviews of this version, and I wasn't disappointed. Slightly unsure about the strange noises that I couldn't quite attribute to any one instrument where there were guitars on the original, but there you go.

Your Silent Face - nice. Takes the "chill-out" factor and gives it a certain ambience that New Order don't quite manage themselves.

Blue Monday - again, a great version. There's something refreshing about hearing acoustic takes on well-established electronic tracks, that makes them stand out more than simply copying the original.

Lonesome Tonight - after the first few seconds, I was expecting Mark E.Smith to sing ! Wonderful low-fi once-in-a-lifetime version that grows on you with every play. Has a certain je ne sais quoi, I think we'll say.

Perfect Kiss - can't really think of anything to say, other than it sounds like one of those midi files you can download off the net.

Shellshock - WTF ? I swear this geezer is trying to sound like Elton John. Nearly pissed myself when the "shellshock" bit came in towards the end where it all speeds up. Bizarre :)

True Faith - and I thought Mentalist's version was bad.....this really didn't work for me.

1963 - again a grower, charming in its arrangement, nice lyrical twist (if you can call changing the lyric to "for fucks sake won't you listen to me" charming anyway... :))

Round and Round - ad nauseam. Another midi file.

Brutal - I enjoyed this, partly because I am starting to really like the original, and partly because it did a few unexpected things here and there.

Crystal - can't remember this, after two plays, so it didn't make much of an impression.

Rock The Shack - quite enjoyed the guitar work, and there was an honest impassioned yearning about the vocals. A pass.

BLT - caused a snigger when I remembered a few Fall tracks that sounded very similar. Five seconds of genius !!

All in all this is definitely one I shall invest in, there's some innovative versions on here that complement the originals. Absolutely love the version of Temptation.

1 Feb 2003, 09:53

7 Feb 2003, 07:49

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8 Feb 2003, 16:34

Still to do a review but can't post long messages! :nonono:

9 Feb 2003, 03:33

Depends of when you do it.. at this time, there's nobody on, so it works..

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22 Feb 2003, 06:15

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Lonesome Tonight - after the first few seconds, I was expecting Mark E.Smith to sing ! Wonderful low-fi once-in-a-lifetime version that grows on you with every play. Has a certain je ne sais quoi, I think we'll say.

Thanks a loooooot, Benny...

Funnily enough, in the good reviews, everyone seems to say it's a grower...

22 Feb 2003, 07:19

There are indeed some excellent COVERS here and LONESOME is a winner! :nod: Some of the others have taken time to grow on me but this and AGE OF CONSENT hit me straight away.Also loved the BLUE MONDAY acoustic one and the TEMPTATION cover is a MUST! :jawdrop: I must get round to a full review which has kinda been lost in the NOOL forum being down and my recording commitments!:D

22 Feb 2003, 08:49

Originally posted by Rocket Mick I must get round to a full review which has kinda been lost in the NOOL forum being down and my recording commitments!:D

Excuses excuses ya badly git, you've had the CD for 3 months. Close down Rocket Productions for the afternoon, listen and post a review:D

22 Feb 2003, 11:34

I'm sorry but I'm horribly confused. What is this... is it a new tribute album or just a CDR of selected covers or what?

22 Feb 2003, 16:17

Originally posted by KW1 I'm sorry but I'm horribly confused. What is this... is it a new tribute album or just a CDR of selected covers or what?

It's a promo of covers which hopefully will be out some time this year (and Yes, it's a tribute album made by fans) a good pal Francois sent me it over from France, it was shared between a few of us so the guys knew what a few of the New Order fans thought of it. It wasn't really supposed to be put on here :lol: