FAO Benny — Forum Archive — New Order Online

12 Jan 2003, 23:32

Well I just checked, and indeed, there is lots of New Order gigs we don't have the tracklisting for, the known one might have errors, but there is plenty of shows either without a setlist, without a venue or with bad info :(

Let's see.. I received a mail today one show was missing from the Technique era,

14-7-89 philadelphia mann music center

I double checked with Water Rat's page, that show is listed as 16-7.. :skeptic: but there was no venue.

Then I noticed 4 other shows missing on our database, so I added them, with what Ricardo sent me last month, I have added several show to that tour.

So, there is indeed a lot of work to do :shrug:

13 Jan 2003, 02:23

I have added at least 10 concerts that weren't in our database. We have quite a few missing setlists.. would be nice to have them all, but I doubt that will happen :(

There is a few dates that the dates are not known, ex:

(From Water Rat's site)

?? APR 83 Aula Maxima - University College Galway ?? NOV 86 ?? - Salt Lake City, Utah ?? ??? 87 Plaza de Toros - Valencia, Spain

That one is said to either exist or not

?? ??? 89 Carrowinds Theme Park - ??, North Carolina

And I received today a mail stating this one is on JUL 14..

16 JUL 89 ?? - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

And this gig is said to exist (if I remember right, it was on my Confused Dreams bootleg I sold a few years ago), but it makes no sense as for the time and location...

01 AUG 83 Beacon Theater - New York, New York Ceremony, Your Silent Face, Love Vigilantes, Confusion, and more

Hence why they think it's not the gig

"NO: 1 AUG 83 Beacon Theatre New YorkI have concluded that this is probably a spurious entry. Love Vigilantes wasn't played until the start of '85, and New Order had just finished up their East Coast leg of their '83 tour in early July, so to go back three weeks later would make no sense. The tracks to referred here most probably originate with New Order's performance at the Felt Forum on 1 AUG *85*."

:shrug:

Lots of work there!

13 Jan 2003, 03:59

I sent Water Rat a huge update (nearly 50 amendments) back in November, and he said he would be updating the list in the New Year. I'll forward it on to you.

13 Jan 2003, 04:02

Originally posted by Spotnick 01 AUG 83 Beacon Theater - New York, New York Ceremony, Your Silent Face, Love Vigilantes, Confusion, and moreHence why they think it's not the gig"NO: 1 AUG 83 Beacon Theatre New YorkI have concluded that this is probably a spurious entry. Love Vigilantes wasn't played until the start of '85, and New Order had just finished up their East Coast leg of their '83 tour in early July, so to go back three weeks later would make no sense. The tracks to referred here most probably originate with New Order's performance at the Felt Forum on 1 AUG *85*."Lots of work there!

Yeah, this is one of the spurious entries. Love Vigilantes wasn't even written until late 84 !! Just delete this one, as the songs are listed elsewhere by their correct date.

This highlights the problem of bootleg vinyl/CDs, in that often the makers would make compilations of a couple of shows, and would omit location details etc. The "Sonntage" bootleg being a prime example of this. You wouldn't believe the number of people who are confused by the JD Malvern/Eric's bootleg !

13 Jan 2003, 04:23

Hey Allen, just open your collector's box and take out all the setlists???

:D

13 Jan 2003, 13:08

Alright Benny, I did all the corrections you sent me..

Not the most facsinating way to pass a lunch hour I must admit, but it's done.

13 Jan 2003, 13:17

Originally posted by Spotnick Alright Benny, I did all the corrections you sent me.. Not the most facsinating way to pass a lunch hour I must admit, but it's done.

Working through yer lunch hour :nonono: Ye should've done it while you were supposed to be working Nicos......that's what I do :lol:

It'll be worth it in the end........makes a change Timbo being helpful dunnit! :evil4:

13 Jan 2003, 13:32

BENNY did you actually get a CD-R from me.I remember writing ERICK EAST on a jiffy bag but can't remember if i sent it.I have sent out about 20 packages over the last couple of weeks and don't want to miss you out.Please clarify. Cheers Rocket Mick

13 Jan 2003, 14:27

Originally posted by Rocket Mick BENNY did you actually get a CD-R from me.I remember writing ERICK EAST on a jiffy bag but can't remember if i sent it.I have sent out about 20 packages over the last couple of weeks and don't want to miss you out.Please clarify.Cheers Rocket Mick

Not yet Mick !

13 Jan 2003, 15:50

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> BENNY did you actually get a CD-R from me.I remember writing ERICK EAST on a jiffy bag but can't remember if i sent it.I have sent out about 20 packages over the last couple of weeks and don't want to miss you out.Please clarify.> Cheers Rocket Mick

Not yet Mick ! Sorry about that...i have just package another with a rather nifty cover for you.Will send in morning so will be there on WEDNESDAY. Cheers Rocket Mick

13 Jan 2003, 15:58

Yer a good lad squire. Want any more boots while we're at it ? In midst of big copying sesh atm.

13 Jan 2003, 16:20

Originally posted by Rocket Mick BENNY did you actually get a CD-R from me.I remember writing ERICK EAST on a jiffy bag but can't remember if i sent it.I have sent out about 20 packages over the last couple of weeks and don't want to miss you out.Please clarify.Cheers Rocket Mick

Come on, you can call him by his real name now.. didn't you notice he got all his mail back? :lol:

The "problem" is solved since a little while.

13 Jan 2003, 17:38

Originally posted by Spotnick So, there is indeed a lot of work to do

You should have a word with the legend Dave Molyneux. He did nearly every gig on the Technique tour and said there's loads of inaccuracies listed in these pages.. . Dave?

13 Jan 2003, 19:57

Originally posted by Spotnick Well I just checked, and indeed, there is lots of New Order gigs we don't have the tracklisting for, the known one might have errors, but there is plenty of shows either without a setlist, without a venue or with bad info :(Let's see.. I received a mail today one show was missing from the Technique era, 14-7-89 philadelphia mann music centerI double checked with Water Rat's page, that show is listed as 16-7.. but there was no venue.Then I noticed 4 other shows missing on our database, so I added them, with what Ricardo sent me last month, I have added several show to that tour.So, there is indeed a lot of work to do

HEY!

I hope you didn't modify the dates from the summer 1989 tour, because I entered them myself in the DB and the info comes from the official 1989 U.S. Technique Tour t-shirt!!! Can't go wrong with that...

13 Jan 2003, 20:04

Still haven't found the setlist I wrote down for the Portland 89 show, so no review yet......... :mad: