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Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)
Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
Originally posted by george mestre Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)1. That's All Right (Elvis Presley) 2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand (The Beatles) 3. God Save the Queen (The Sex Pistols) 4. Rapper's Delight (Sugarhill Gang) 5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana) 6. Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday) 7. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) 8. Walk This Way (Run-DMC) 9. Blue Monday (New Order) 10. Do They Know it's Christmas (Band Aid) Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
i'd keep blue monday on there.
Originally posted by film586 > Originally posted by george mestre> Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)> 1. That's All Right (Elvis Presley) > 2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand (The Beatles) > 3. God Save the Queen (The Sex Pistols) > 4. Rapper's Delight (Sugarhill Gang) > 5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana) > 6. Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday) > 7. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) > 8. Walk This Way (Run-DMC) > 9. Blue Monday (New Order) > 10. Do They Know it's Christmas (Band Aid) > > Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
i'd keep blue monday on there.
I agree. Blue Monday changed the course of electronic music.
The magazine that the info comes from has a 4 page article on New Order and the song...
Quite informative, actually!
(I haven't yet bought it, but might do in the future, so I can provide scans then!)
l8rs,
Nick ;)
What really pisses me off about this is that this has been highlited by MSNBC (a large US media outlet) and it has links to samples of all the songs...
THE BLUE MONDAY SAMPLE IS WRONG!!!!!
Just when they might have a chance to widen their exposure....sh*t like this happens!!!
I cant think any other NewOrder song has shaped modern music in the way BlueMonday has, we all poke fun at it but it is undoubtably one of the most important and influential releases of the late 20th century.
It should be higher up the list imo :)
Originally posted by DoN I cant think any other NewOrder song has shaped modern music in the way BlueMonday has, we all poke fun at it but it is undoubtably one of the most important and influential releases of the late 20th century.It should be higher up the list imo :)
Ditto!
Originally posted by DoN I cant think any other NewOrder song has shaped modern music in the way BlueMonday has, we all poke fun at it but it is undoubtably one of the most important and influential releases of the late 20th century.It should be higher up the list imo :)
The world would be a better place if it was influenced by New Order.
Originally posted by george mestre Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)1. That's All Right (Elvis Presley) 2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand (The Beatles) 3. God Save the Queen (The Sex Pistols) 4. Rapper's Delight (Sugarhill Gang) 5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana) 6. Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday) 7. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) 8. Walk This Way (Run-DMC) 9. Blue Monday (New Order) 10. Do They Know it's Christmas (Band Aid) Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
Where's "Love Vigilantes" ???
Originally posted by Marco Pleil > Originally posted by george mestre> Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)> 1. That's All Right (Elvis Presley) > 2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand (The Beatles) > 3. God Save the Queen (The Sex Pistols) > 4. Rapper's Delight (Sugarhill Gang) > 5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana) > 6. Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday) > 7. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) > 8. Walk This Way (Run-DMC) > 9. Blue Monday (New Order) > 10. Do They Know it's Christmas (Band Aid) > > Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
Where's "Love Vigilantes" ???
Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak > Originally posted by DoN> I cant think any other NewOrder song has shaped modern music in the way BlueMonday has, we all poke fun at it but it is undoubtably one of the most important and influential releases of the late 20th century.> > It should be higher up the list imo :)
The world would be a better place if it was influenced by New Order.
Conversely the world may have been a much worse place had it NOT been influenced by NewOrder... ;)
Originally posted by Marco Pleil > Originally posted by george mestre> Q MAGAZINE'S TOP 10 (1-14-03)> 1. That's All Right (Elvis Presley) > 2. I Wanna Hold Your Hand (The Beatles) > 3. God Save the Queen (The Sex Pistols) > 4. Rapper's Delight (Sugarhill Gang) > 5. Smells Like Teen Spirit (Nirvana) > 6. Strange Fruit (Billie Holiday) > 7. Like a Rolling Stone (Bob Dylan) > 8. Walk This Way (Run-DMC) > 9. Blue Monday (New Order) > 10. Do They Know it's Christmas (Band Aid) > > Great news but which New Order song would you rather have on this list?
Where's "Love Vigilantes" ???
It's there, but as a hidden track...
Agreed with the sentiment that BM deserves to be on there. But "That's Alright Mama"? That's a sub-par Elvis song (even though I'm not a fan, I can appreciate the best stuff in his catalogue with no shame, unless they relentlessly play it to death on an oldies station. I really don't want to hear "Jailhouse Rock" or "Heartbreak Hotel" if I can avoid it)
Originally posted by 404 error When are we going to get a list of 'top ten lists that included New Order'?
Nevermind that, when are we gonna get "top ten lists not compiled by four-year olds or teenage Nsync fans"?
I'm starting to hate "Smells like teen spirit", and They should have put New Order, and not a New Order song. Effectively, BM changed the course of electronic music, but all NO songs have made that course change.
Well apart from the band aid bollocks(good sentiment , bad song) im chuffed to see new order mentioned in the same breath as beatles,sex pistols,elvis ect. ive long thought that new order have contributed just as much to modern music as any of them on that list and its about time they got some real honours for the job theve done not just top tens nonsense. as for blue monday i was there when it came out and to me pc&l outshone it by a mile,but to joe public it was something from outa space and sold by the bucket load worldwide and as we know the rest was history. just a point to mentiom though,the guys behind blue monday also penned lwtua,true faith,regret, classics in each decade. how many others on that list can say that???.
Originally posted by eduardo maura I'm starting to hate "Smells like teen spirit", and They should have put New Order, and not a New Order song. Effectively, BM changed the course of electronic music, but all NO songs have made that course change.
You can hate SLTS all you want, but it changed the course of music in the US, probably more than BM did... if you look at % of the market that it affected. In Europe, I am sure it was the other way around.
Funny.. Bob Dylan is only at #7.. as far as I know, Like a Rolling Stone was the first "electric guitar" song...!
Blue Monday helped going out of the disco era.. that was good enough to make the top 10 ;)
Nirvana also changed the music here in Europe, but not as the others in the list....and where is Velvet Underground, and Clash, and Neil Young, and Cohen? Some of them are not in the complete list.
Where's Jilted John? Half Man Half Biscuit? The Fuzzyfelt Five (not sure if they actually existed or if an NME journalist made them up, but I'm sure they were hugely influential)
I'm sick of these lists.
My thoughts on the top ten and comments from others on the top ten:
That's alright Mama-Elvis Thoroughly makes sense. While the origins of Rock and Roll may go back to Robert Johnson and Lightnin' Hopkins and other Blues legends like them, and while songwriting Performers like Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and Buddy Holly may have actually accomplished more. That's Alright Mama got the Suns Record Chief to close the door he was about to throw Elvis out of, sit back down, and record him. His entire career was built upon this single, and Rock and Roll's impact on White America, and later the world came originally from this tune.
I Want to Hold Your Hand-The Beatles Inexplicably (probably because the American Label that owned the rights to the Beatles at the time did not market them effectively) She Loves You did not break the Beatles in America. With its infectious vocals, hyper energetic timing, and outrageously catchy melody, she loves you accomplished little. It was I want to Hold Your Hand, an inferior song, though still a classic, that Broke the Beatles, and thus heralded in the entire British Invasion. Well Warranted at the two slot.
God Save The Queen-Sex Pistols Whereas Patti Smith may have inspired inumerable artists that topped College radio and later much of the world in later years (R.E.M., The Smiths, and I believe U2 to name just three), it was God Save the Queen, and seeing the band live, that really built the entire Punk and New Wave scene in Europe and especially England. Its incredible to see how many hugely influential British bands can trace their origins to hearing these guys, or seeing the band live. However, I think it would be just as important to note that it was the New York Music Scene: Blondie, Talking Heads, Television, Lou Reed, The Ramones especially that actually built the punk and alternative music scene in America. Not the Sex pistols. And its important to note that the Sex Pistols began as a result of a Ramones tour in England, not before, but after. So it might actually be the Ramones that really deserve this slot. Certainly the Ramones shaped more in terms of America, and through their impact that created the Sex Pistols, more or less, The Ramones probably deserve the slot.
Rappers Delight-The Sugarhill Gang Rapping originated on street corners and in prisons much like Do Wop nearly fifty years earlier. In fact, if you listen around, there is little question that rap was around far earlier than the SugarHill Gang's Monumental Release. The Difference is that this single brought the sound to dance floors, televisions, and radios. Within a year ther would be inumerable performers, nearly all New York based. This song built an industry, a musical culture, and a whole new way of life, and interpreting what music could and couldn't be (samples anyone?). Personally I liked Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mell a lot more but that's just me.
Smells Like Teen Spirit-Nirvana I wonder if NeverMind deserves the slot more than the single, because what really mattered beyond the single was that Nevermind kicked Jackson off the #1 pedestal, and when Smells Like Teen Spirit had kicked open the door, In Boom, Lithium, Come As You Are, and On a Plain were metaphorically like Delta Force or S.A.S troops storming through the broken door and seizing the entire complex. The fact that Nirvana had another four singles just as powerful and influential as Smells like Teen Spirit, just as Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, STP and Sound Garden showed that their was more than one band that could capture this new sound. After Smells Like Teen Spirit, with rare interruptions by REM via Automatic for the People and Monster, Grunge and Nirvana's new sound essentially dominated the Rock and Roll charts for five years. Its influence is enormous, its history a tragedy of lost potential.
Strange Fruit-Billie Holiday Brought racial politics and injustice into the American Mainstream as Uncle Tom's Cabin had nearly 100 years earlier. It was a musical revelation, the greatest vocal artist of the first half of the twentieth century laid down a definition of the blues, and showed the blues could matter in more ways than simple emotive honesty. Its power was musical, cultural, historical, and political. Its no coincidence that the Civil Rights Movement quickly grew in power fifteen fold within the 15-20 intervening years after its release.
Like a Rolling Stone-Bob Dylan Folk goes electric and its okay. Think Jimi Hendrix was influenced by this? You'd be right, and Jimi influenced everyone who ever heard of more than any rock and roll instrumentalist during the century (with Chuck Berry close to, or maybe even above him). An immense song historically.
Walk This Way-Run D.M.C. The Crossover hit to top all crossover hits, this and the Beastie Boys arrival at nearly the same time completely opened the doors to nearly all of white america to rap. It also proved to be the first time a Rap Artist had more than one major hit as a performer (others were close, but this was the real deal). This was more important then the Sugar Hill Gang's hit to a certain extent because this brought credibility to rap, and made it possible for the genre to create stars who weren't just one hit wonders.
Blue Monday-New Order Huge. Simply huge, and we all know why.
Do they know its Christmas-Band Aid this is total and complete b.s. The whole benefit phenomena peetered out after a few years and almost assuredly only deepened the coffers of a ruling elite in the countries it was sent to. Do they know its christmas, Farm Aid, We are the World and the rest of the cheese fests had little long term impact beyond helping out some desperate people (important but what did this mean for the music scene and culture? Almost nothing. Only the Free Tibet concerts carry on the torch and those will never accomplish anything anyway. China doesn't care a whit how many tickets are sold by the likes of Radiohead, the Beastie Boys and R.E.M.)which is great, but it meant little to the music scene as mentioned earlier.
Comments on individuals comments:
*Blue Monday link via MSNBC bad-Now that is depressing :(
*Taboo #7-That's alright Mama????? It actually deserves status above Jailhouse Rock above, and Heartbreak Hotel for historical reasons. Elvis was trying to record at Sun Records and accomplishing little, when at the end of a session, the records chief supposedly heard Elvis riffing with buddies to this old classic. Immediately he recorded Elvis's performance sensing a hit and this song broke Elvis in the black and white communities of the South and later throughout America. It was this song that opened nearly all doors, for an initial listen to what rock and roll could be (even more than Rock around the clock, which, although brilliant, was peformed by essentially a big band with and old leader).
*Spotnick-Dylan's song was not the first electric guitar song, it was the first major performance of electric Folk music.
* Nirvana-Quite a few disagree. They are wrong, Nirvana radically altered the music scene in America. The impact may have dissipated to a degree over time, but its undebatable as to how massive this song was, in terms of changing the music scene, and like the Punk scene and its impact on bands like The Hives, Vines, Strokes, and White Stripes (although blues legends are responsible for much of their sound) Nirvana's impact will likely have reverberations on bands that haven't even started up yet, or possible even gotten out of their diapers.
To be honest, Im just very happy to see New Order on the list. As much as I love my band, its impact was much greater on musicians themselves, rather than the listening public. Americans got the records much later (until 1985), and by and large didn't get it in general for much of New Order's brilliant career :(.
Smells Like Teen Spirit has to be in there, ridiculous to think it shouldn't be. We are talking influence on music rather than your personal opinion here.
Me personally - I like Nirvana a lot and Smells Like Teen Spirit is not my fave but it was the song, as put before, kicked the door open, and kicking Michael Jackson off the top of the charts with Nevermind was the most symbolic example that the landscape had changed.
Blue Monday, undoubtedly deserves to be there. It blew me away when I first heard it in full in 1998 15 years after it first came out. It was like if I made music exactly what I would want to do (sounds like what Neil Tennant said), and yes it did come from out of space for Joe Public. It is THE seminal dance track of the 80s as say Born Slippy would be from the 90s.
Cheers ALEX
Okay, okay, I'll admit that "That's Alright Mama" started the Big E's career, Stephen, but I was just saying it's not really my cup of tea or the Elvis song I would've picked for numero 1. Either JR or HH would have sufficed, imho.
No problem, I'm not indicting your knowledge, I was just trying to point out exactly why its on there, and your favorites aren't. Its kind of like, Blue Monday makes the list, but BLT, or 1963, or Mr. Disco, or Temptation, or Regret doesn't (all of (among many others) which I like more than Blue Monday). Still, I understand why. As incredible as Heartbreak Hotel, or Jailhouse Rock, or Hound Dog, or Don't Be Cruel are, they don't have the same historical impact.
I love, "That's alright Mama," in part because its so versatile, I've heard folk, blues, rockabilly, and straight up rock and roll versions and it always manages to sound great to me, but there's plenty to recommend your favorites as well :).
Although not all my choices, I agree with the reasons behind everything in there and Blue Monday was one of the songs that made me buy a synth in the first place so yes, it definately influenced. Later on, I was more influenced by Thieves Like Us and World and the synth sounds that go with it. This is evident in every song I write. My girlfriend even says that my voice sounds like Mr Sumner but I can't decide if that's a compliment or not!
The only think I don't understand is what the hell did Nirvana ever do? Smells Like Teen Spirit was not a bad song at the time but just listening to it, the guitar is out of time and I know for a fact that the guitar in the first and second chorusses are sampled and overlaid with extra effects on the second to make it sound as though it was played in one take.
Are they in there because they helped sampling machines become creditable? If so, Blue Monday was years before and based around the same thing.
Smells Like Teen Spirit helped create a new genre of music, it also helped kill off Teen Pop, and Hair Bands, one of which temporarily, the other permanently. It climbed on a ladder set down by bands like Husker Du, Bad Brains, Sonic Youth, R.E.M. and the Pixies, and crashed through a ceiling for the entire music scene to take a new shape.
The song was tremendous on its own, brilliant really, whether it was in the guitar playing, the drums, or the vocals, and the power it had culturally on the music scene was undeniable. Sometimes it takes a bit longer to recognize these things, ten years after Rappers Delight, there were still plenty of individuals trying to suggest Rap would go the way of Disco, ephemeral in name, and in nature it was doomed. They were wrong, the fact that Nirvana may be frowned upon now, or doubted in its historical prominence is a function of taste and the short passage of time. Time can and will tell, but all evidence suggests that the song and the band the that created it deeply shapped, and redirected the course of music in the nineties and in this new century as well (and I'm not really a huge Nirvana fan either).
i think Blue Monday's lyrics were important, as well. their ambiguity and intensity seem to have been very rare in previous pop (if you consider Blue Monday to be "pop").
