Admit it - which NO song do you just not get?

Which NO song does everyone else rave on and on and on about, yet no matter how many times you listen to it, you just don't get that great vibe that everyone else feels.

For me it's two songs and an album. The Perfect Kiss, yes I know it's a good song and it is enjoyable, but I don't feel it's as good as everyone makes it out to be. Even the massive 5 hour long version or whatever it is. Also, Dream Attack. It's not even that memorable, I always confuse it with Guilty Partner.

Also, no matter how much I listen to Low-life, it just pales in comparison to Brotherhood and PCL to me. Love Vigilantes is very good though...

So what are yours?

Confusion and Temptation. They both kill NewOrder for me.

anita

I'm not very fond of Confusion either. Perhaps I would have been in 1983. And, unlike most people, I quite like State of the nation.

Confusion and Finetime. Always skip forward.

Fine Time and Perfect Kiss most likely.

There's just ONE NewOrder song that I don't like: We all stand As for the rest... of course, even I can't say they're all perfect, god-like tunes, but even the sub-standard ones (SOTN, RTS, etc...) are above any competition!

There are three songs that nearly every NO fan loves, and not me: BLT (Bro'hood version), TBTHOG and R&R. Three rather boring songs, in my humble opinion. I just don't get all the hullabaloo about them.

Regarding the rating of the albums, I find Brotherhood their worst album ever, while most fans would rate it in their top 3 along with Low-life and Technique.

Please don't kill me, it's my very first entry to this forum: I just can't listen to the whole Low-life-album! Except for Sunrise, Love Vigilantes and This Time of Night it's such a waste of time for me... simply don't understand the hype.

Crystal. Wouldn't even feature in my NO Top 50! How some people can call it a "classic" defeats me.

And like many others I don't rate Low Life at all. Very dated sounding synth-stabs and strings. PC&L and Brotherhood are both pretty timeless but Low Life just screams "the 80's" to me.

It would be Confusion and Sunrise for me. Confusion seems to have no energy, it just lies there twitching lamely, whereas Sunrise is just a godawful mess. But these are personal opinions, so please don't flame me!!!

i don't hate it but it's 'Regret' for me. i just find it very ordinary. the only song i really don't like is 'such a good thing', i cringe every time i hear it, embarrassingly bad IMO.

Actually thinking back Someone Like You isnt that wonderful I dont think.

Its the cheesy chorus and the backing singing that makes it grate...

Still i'd love to see the infamous video

We All Stand.

It should be called "We All Can't Stand It".

Other terrible songs: World In Motion, Touched By The Hand of God and Shellshock.

"Shellshock" & "Confusion"

Sunrise, and Run. I never thought highly of Run so when I found out it's a fan favorite I was mostly surprised.

I also like The Perfect Kiss but have no idea what the lyrics are on about.

hmm. about half of technique doesn't strike me as impressive. i know, a lot people love this album, and i don't get it. it has some weak tracks....about a third of it is weak. guilty partner, all the way and loveless are sugary and boring. i can't tell the difference between these three songs or remember what they sound like off the top of my head. i'm warming up to round and round though, but even that strike me as forgetable.

technique is an ok record, half of it is brilliant (mr. disco is by far the strongest track ), the other half is mediocre.

Originally posted by Snucker hmm. about half of technique doesn't strike me as impressive. i know, a lot people love this album, and i don't get it. it has some weak tracks....about a third of it is weak. guilty partner, all the way and loveless are sugary and boring. i can't tell the difference between these three songs or remember what they sound like off the top of my head. i'm warming up to round and round though, but even that strike me as forgetable.technique is an ok record, half of it is brilliant (mr. disco is by far the strongest track ), the other half is mediocre.

The only thing i dont like about Technique is its too short!! (oh an it starts with FineTime!)

I think that its 'sugary' vibe is quite refreshing for a NewOrder album, coming off the back of Brotherhood and LowLife its a welcome change i feel from the more 'drag your heels' type stuff they were grinding out in the mid 80's which although spot on is countered nicely by the more uplifting vibe that Technique offers i feel :)

I used to dislike We All Stand as well. But I found that after heavy rotation of PCL (the original version not the version w/ Blue Monday and The Beach), We All Stand makes PCL a cohesive album. Also, seeing them play it live on that PFD video makes a difference as well. Sure, I guess anyone can like anything after repeated listens, or else go mental. =)

What I dislike still is Spooky (makes me cringe). And the lyrics to more recent songs are getting a little out of hand (like Crystal). And repeated playback by DJs and the like of the Shep Pettibone mix of BLT is making absolutely shudder at the next time I chance hearing it again. *shudder*

Originally posted by KW1 I also like The Perfect Kiss but have no idea what the lyrics are on about.

I read an article saying it was the very first song about AIDS... did anyone ever hear something about this?

i have to break ranks here and admit that I do not share the general consensus that World in Motion is the finest thing New Order ever committed to vinyl, much less the greatest achievement of mankind. I know I'll take a lot of flak for it, but someone has to be willing to admit the truth......'cause this time, it's PERSONNAL! (Just always wanted to use that line)

Yes, WIM is a fine tune if you want to remind yourself how bad the Eighties really were, but I can't agree with the majority on this one

:D

Originally posted by Spider In A Land Of Meat > Originally posted by KW1> I also like The Perfect Kiss but have no idea what the lyrics are on about.>

I read an article saying it was the very first song about AIDS... did anyone ever hear something about this?

Don't think it's a song about AIDS at all. I know that's what was written in some book, but I think that's nonsense. It's just about these two friends, one doesn't know if he wants to stay in and whack off or just go out and he gets a drop-in visit by his friend who's down on the dumps and happens to be carrying a gun and wants to shoot himself. It might be about a gay relationship, but that's just just an assumption.

I don't get ANY of them!:DNow that is odd isn't it?

I hate Barney´s haircut.I prefer the one of joy division´s days.

i don't really care for the following,

brotherhood:

Weirdo As It Was When It Was Broken Promise Bizarre Love Triangle All Day Long Every Little Counts

from technique:

Fine Time All the Way Love Less Round & Round Guilty Partner Run Mr. Disco Vanishing Point Dream Attack

from republic:

Regret World Ruined in a Day Spooky Everyone Everywhere Young Offender Liar Chemical Times Change Special Avalanche

from get ready:

Crystal 60 Miles an Hour Turn My Way Vicious Streak Primitive Notion Slow Jam Rock the Shack Someone Like You Close Range Run Wild Behind Closed Doors

and of course, all the singles from these albums, and remixes, and also:

blue monday '88 world in motion mixes touched by the hand of God 2000 all the new mixes of '? the best of' some of the mixes from '? the rest of' the confusion mixes '90, pump panel etc.. true faith '94 nineteen63 -95 some of the blue monday '95 mixes true faith 2001 mixes here to stay..

that should cover most of it..

i think..

later

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-1... isn't that pratically 2/3 of NO's catalog???

Anyway, I decided to elaborate...

Love Vigilanties isn't all that special. Sunrise sucks. Face-Up is one of thier best tracks ever. Brotherhood is good but definitly not thier best. Shellshock should NEVER be called 'Shellcock'! It's just ANNOYING!!!! (Besides, it's a decent tune) Run is boring and skippable Vanishing point is stupid (but I still love it) Spooky is alright Young Offender is awesome Liar and Times Change (yes, Times Change) are very good

ah jeez...I forgot Fine Time. I'd blocked it out...

:D:D:D:D:D anita...confusion, temptation, fine time

Fine Time ....what fine time ?!? I must admit to always starting Technique at the second track.

Also, on Low-life I always skip Love Vigilantes. That definitely is a load of rubbish. Again they have done me a favour by putting it on as first track.

Benny's hated ten is fairly well documented on several other threads, but currently comprises :

Fine Time Shite of the Nation Confusion All Day Long Every Little Counts Weirdo Run Slow Jam Run Wild Turn My Way

Fook knows why that posted twice !

Even though I hate the above-listed ten twice as much as any other track.....

The one's i don't like....

Times change Rock the shack Slow Death State of the pension Subdubculturevulture

Originally posted by Snucker hmm. about half of technique doesn't strike me as impressive. i know, a lot people love this album, and i don't get it. it has some weak tracks....about a third of it is weak. guilty partner, all the way and loveless are sugary and boring. i can't tell the difference between these three songs or remember what they sound like off the top of my head. i'm warming up to round and round though, but even that strike me as forgetable.technique is an ok record, half of it is brilliant (mr. disco is by far the strongest track ), the other half is mediocre.

Contrary to most Technique fans, I hate Mr Disco, and I think that Round & Round is a rather weak song! Run is so-so, and Fine Time is a good joke but nothing more (I wouldn't say that I hate it, though I'm sick of it after hearing it 327 times on Retro). The other 5 songs are very good, imho. So it seems that my rating of Technique songs is very different to the common one, except for Vanishing Point and Dream Attack that nearly everybody rates high like I do.

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Benny's hated ten is fairly well documented on several other threads, but currently comprises :Fine TimeShite of the NationConfusionAll Day LongEvery Little CountsWeirdoRunSlow JamRun WildTurn My Way

I thought that you eventually liked Slow Jam, after hearing it on Retro...

Originally posted by Tout est devenu vert > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes> Benny's hated ten is fairly well documented on several other threads, but currently comprises :> > Fine Time> Shite of the Nation> Confusion> All Day Long> Every Little Counts> Weirdo> Run> Slow Jam> Run Wild> Turn My Way

I thought that you eventually liked Slow Jam, after hearing it on Retro...

It's still in the worst ten though !

well the major beat me to Rock the Shack...will certainly stir up some controversy with...SHUG

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart I hate Barney´s haircut.I prefer the one of joy division´s days.

it's alright. but in some pictures, it makes his head look weird. i don't what it is, but there's something about that haircut, especially watching the perfect kiss video, that makes his ears stick out and his head a shape of a turnip or some other vegetable, and his eyes rounder than usual.

Good lord, I can't believe how many people hate things that I love and that are dear to me :( . In truth, the only song a lot of people love, that I do not, is probably Dreams Never End. I happen to think its a highlight of the album, but thats not saying much for a garbage album. Im also not at all a fan of Confusion, but then again who is (I hate both versions), and there's one thing that I can agree with at least some of the band members about and that is blue monday, they seemed tired of playing it live at least a decade ago, and if they still feel so, I see no reason why they couldn't just ditch it, and instead play old, rarely played classics (like Age of Consent, Leave Me Alone, Love Vigilantees, Lonesome Tonight, 1963, maybe Procession, and a classic or two from Technique like Loveless, or All the Way or even Mr. Disco or Run). I think the touring process for most bands is much more enjoyable when they can vary their repertoire. I know that the Rolling Stones have suggested, and R.E.M. as well, in recent years, that rehearsing old, and rarely played songs to play out on tour made touring refreshing again. I think they might actually get a kick out of something like that. Imagine playing a gig that was say, 90 minutes long and featured:

1. Regret
2. BLT
3. Temptation
4. Turn My Way
5. Leave Me Alone
6. Your Silent Face
7. Special
8. Run
9. Age of Consent
10. Thieves Like Us
11. Perfect Kiss
12. Dream Attack

Encore: 13. Crystal 14. True Faith 15. 1963

Anyway, while I'm shocked at some of your tastes, at least all of us seem to share loving the band in common, if for different, and sometimes dramatically different, reasons.

Originally posted by Stephen Smith I see no reason why they couldn't just ditch it, and instead play old, rarely played classics (like Age of Consent, Leave Me Alone, Love Vigilantees, Lonesome Tonight, 1963, maybe Procession, and a classic or two from Technique like Loveless, or All the Way or even Mr. Disco or Run). I think the touring process for most bands is much more enjoyable when they can vary their repertoire. I think they might actually get a kick out of something like that.

Well, if our friend Barney can't even sing Temptation without reading the lyrics, what would happen if he tried to perform "Cries And Whispers" or "Sooner Than You Think"? A disaster.

You've got it all wrong.. yea yea

They dont make bad music!

everything they do is great :D :D :D :D

Regret.

Republic is another one for me. Everyone raves on about how good it i....wait, no...

I've never understood the hype for:

Fine Time Sunrise True Faith (I don't usually skip it when I'm letting Substance play through but when I made an NO compilation I left it off) Blue Monday (Haven't caught on until very recently... it always seemed kind of boring to me, the melody doesn't go anywhere, there's no buildup) Age of Consent World in Motion, Confusion & Shellshock (But do these even need mention?)

I don't hate "State of the Nation" as much as everyone else seems to. I'll let it play through. "Confusion", though, just annoys me. And "Fine Time" is a crappy way to start off a CD.

You don't like Age of consent???????

Originally posted by Ger Fine Time ....what fine time ?!? I must admit to always starting Technique at the second track.

Yeah me too. I don't get "You're much too young to hang around with me" Why too young... for what...? Is it a hooligan's song?

Well, if our friend Barney can't even sing Temptation without reading the lyrics, what would happen if he tried to perform "Cries And Whispers" or "Sooner Than You Think"? A disaster.

WHy does he read the lyrics? Are you sure? Though I saw a computer display at the Reading 98 show with the lyrics on. But it is way to be Elvis in his worse mood on Las Vegas stage in 1975. So I don't believe. I think, our friend Barney knows what to sing, hasn't got off the hooks.

Originally posted by Ian Schmidt > Originally posted by Ger> Fine Time ....what fine time ?!? I must admit to always starting Technique at the second track.

Yeah me too. I don't get "You're much too young to hang around with me" Why too young... for what...? Is it a hooligan's song?

Sure it's "hang" ?

Originally posted by Ian Schmidt > Well, if our friend Barney can't even sing Temptation without reading the lyrics, what would happen if he tried to perform "Cries And Whispers" or "Sooner Than You Think"? A disaster.

WHy does he read the lyrics? Are you sure? Though I saw a computer display at the Reading 98 show with the lyrics on. But it is way to be Elvis in his worse mood on Las Vegas stage in 1975. So I don't believe. I think, our friend Barney knows what to sing, hasn't got off the hooks.

He needs an autocue because, allegedly, E and Pernod have a memory-obliterating function when combined in large quantities over several years.

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb EYES-UH !!! He needs an autocue because, allegedly, E and Pernod have a memory-obliterating function when combined in large quantities over several years.

Benny, have you experienced in E yourself that much? Do you believe in that? I drink heavy since I was 12, though don't mix it with E.

I have never ever taken any E - I am very anti-drugs (despite cigarettes and alcohol !)

OK the list of Not quite great songs grows longer, original confusion, most of get ready and republic, shellshock, blue monday after 5 minutes does get boring,the other songs on low life other than love vigilantes i am surprised to see so many people not rating run and all the way as good though. to be harsh..... the reason you don't get so many of these songs is because you don't really like them, its probably time you listened to some other bands and grew up and stopped naval gazing at songs written 15 years ago that are not going to get any better on the hundredth listen, you may indeed have discovered that the kiss of death and the beach are better than the A sides but that was just a discovery, in the past. and now you are tired of these too. this is your brain telling you that what you have done is getting a bit sad. so give them a rest go and listen to Zwan (mighty). but i am being harsh, you do have to play a song to death to find out how good it is. this is human nature in microcosm. so play on, now where did i put substance (track 6+11)and track 3 PCL and track 8 LL and trak 7 of Brotherhood (the only ones i haven't really got bored of to be honest)

And welcome to you too.

Only three special mentions:

-World in Motion: funny but not much more. And I don't like the backing vocals at all. And Keith Allen

-Spooky: maybe the NO worst single. Ex aequo with 60 MPH.

-Confusion: good song, but I can't understand it's greatness. Not a classic for me. Only another song with really awful remixes...

There are also many other songs I don't like very much: Such a good thing, Behind closed doors, ICB, The Beach, etc.

But only a few. At least NO are also great in thier misses or bad stuff.

Originally posted by Grigori Rasputin > Originally posted by Jim Giliberto> well the major beat me to Rock the Shack...will certainly stir up some controversy with...SHUG

Jim...even though you don't like RTS...can we still be friends???

of course jeff, but it was targeted at Shuggy who must be watching SOCCER...now if that don't get um, it will for about 39% of the people here right???

Regret is not one of my favorite songs.

They are all great :D

I can't fucking stand Every Little Counts, it has the most pathetic lyrics and has to by far be their weakest song. I even like Equatronic's cover way better. I wouldn't place this song in my top 1000 songs of all time, and I don't even know if I even like 1000 songs.

Although, I'm the one acception of a New Order fan who does everything backwards. I love State Of The Nation, Republic might very well be my favorite album, I'm practicly in love with Procession and Doubts Even Here. I liked every song (except Blue Monday and The Beach) on Blue Order. I actually think Slow Jam is cool. I love the 1996 version of World In Motion. (the rest of) New Order was genius in my opinion. I don't care much for Turn My Way. And I think Run Wild is the worst track on Get Ready. Shellshock is great, despite the accusations of it 'sucking'. I just recently got into Temptation, though I had to find appreciation through Transmutator's cover version. Such A Good Thing was grotesque the first time I heard it, but now I love it. I even like Behind Closed Doors. Blue Monday still rules (me and my girlfriend were really drunk so we slow danced to it at my grad). Special is the best song off of Republic, and the best New Order song of all time is The Perfect Kiss, not Temptation. Oh yeah, and Brutal is pretty good too. But that's just my opinion.

Dare I say it?

1963...

I think Movement is better than PCL.

I hate most of Republic, but I like Times Change and Young Offender.

I like most of Get Ready, even Vicious Streak, Run Wild and Slow Jam. I don't like Rock the Shack or Turn My Way.

I like the B-side CD of Substance better than the A-side.

I'm tired of Blue Monday.

I think Fine Time is brilliant. Indeed, I think Technique is their finest hour.

I don't like the TBTHOG video. While it's funny as hell, I think TBTHOG is one of NO's better songs and the song is lost in the hamming-up.

And Run does sound like Leaving on a Jet Plane.

I'm going to get flamed for this. Been into NO since ever, think PC&L is both their best AND their most influential album. But I've never been able to get into Age of Consent.

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