Benny's Anniversary Giveaway

Readers of the main page of this wonderful site and fans of New Order live recordings will know that today is the 20th Anniversary of the famous Tolworth gig.

To celebrate this, Benny wishes to give away a copy of the mixing desk recording of this gig - you'll no doubt all have Everything's Gone Green from this gig on your copies of Retro Disk 4.

For a chance to win a copy of this tape - just answer this simple question.

Whose scooter was it ?

E-mail to the address at the top of the thread - first past the post wins !

We have a winner......his name is Alejo !!!!!

So Tolworth was famous because of a man on a scooter? Any other reasons?

Originally posted by Al Jarvis What was the name of the Scooter geezer?Wonder what became of him, and whether he actually bothers with New Order at all now?

Is This him?

No, that's someone else with a similar scooter.

I seem to faintly remember some sort of a prank with them asking someone to remove his scooter and then hiding it somewhere, it was in An Ideal for Living book, could someone please give an accurate account as I was too young and too beyond the iron curtain to actually attend ?

Originally posted by Huntsman No, that's someone else with a similar scooter.

He's back! He's back! HE'S BAAAAAAACK!

Right, this is what happened, for those who were unable to get all the details at the time.

This "fan" called Mark Johnson was writing a book "An Ideal For Living" about the band, and had begun to piss the band off severely with his questioning, particularly about Ian and his demise. He received an advance on the book, and bought this brand new scooter SMG643Y out of the advance. He turned up at the Tolworth gig on the scooter, and thus became the subject of one of the band's better japes. The roadies winched the scooter up on the tailgate of their lorry, and Rob got this student union bod from the venue to get up on stage and make the announcement that "if anyone owns scooter SMG643Y, please move it, it's causing an obstruction". Needless to say, our man Johnson legged it outside to find his scooter several feet off the ground !

The book eventually surfaced in the summer of 84, and while it is full of inaccuracies, strange Turmelesque text from Paul Morley and far too many personal opinions from the writer to make it all that good, it is still a valuable resource. I rather like the organisation around the live timetable rather than the narrative style of other books. It's a pity it didn't go past December 83, as it completely misses the best parts. It's also fairly typical of the book that it completely undersells Blue Monday and the impact it had even then on popular music culture.

Thanks Benny:) Presumably there were other reasons for Tolworth being famous as well?

Thanks a lot ! How about a coulumn , "great live moments of the golden years" to coincide with concert aniversaries ?

Originally posted by a very small boy Thanks Benny:) Presumably there were other reasons for Tolworth being famous as well?

Well, besides Hooky taking the piss out of The Jam when Barney picked up his melodica, plus an encore, I can't think of that many other reasons for it to be famous other than that for many years it was the very best sound quality recording available.

Originally posted by Julijana Zitnjak Thanks a lot ! How about a coulumn , "great live moments of the golden years" to coincide with concert aniversaries ?

Good idea - I'm sure we'd get a very large number of contributors to this one. To be discussed over a beer tomorrow Jarvo ?

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb EYES-UH !!! Readers of the main page of this wonderful site and fans of New Order live recordings will know that today is the 20th Anniversary of the famous Tolworth gig.To celebrate this, Benny wishes to give away a copy of the mixing desk recording of this gig - you'll no doubt all have Everything's Gone Green from this gig on your copies of Retro Disk 4.For a chance to win a copy of this tape - just answer this simple question.Whose scooter was it ?

E-mail to the address at the top of the thread - first past the post wins !

Hi Benny - where's a good place to buy a CD of this gig, as (obviously) I'd like to get hold of a copy. Thanks!

Met the fellow a few times the first occasion being in the queue for the Brixton Ace gig and then of course at the subsequent Tolworth show.

I haven't heard the tape in 20 years but I remember the 'don't spit at me' part and of course the fact that the mixing desk quality audio sound sold particularly well at Glastonbury and Camden. You could say the bootleg tape market financed me well in my latter teen years.

A great memory and one which had slipped my mind. So thanks for that.

I was always puzzled by the grammar of the title. It was AN History of Joy Division, where I always thought A was the correct way. What do I know anyway! It was apparently available in an autographed leather bound style (or am I getting confused with STILL?) and the initial cost was in the region of £10? but was soon on the bargain shelves at under 3 quid.

Probably more questions than answers there folks but hopefully we can get this one straight tomorrow eve.

DM

I've always wondered what Hooky meant with his remark, "This is the brass section. If the Jam can do it, I'm sure we can", between Blue Monday & In A Lonely Place. Could anybody explain?

Originally posted by little boy lost I've always wondered what Hooky meant with his remark, "This is the brass section. If the Jam can do it, I'm sure we can", between Blue Monday & In A Lonely Place. Could anybody explain?

Barney couldn't instantly find his melodica for the start of In A Lonely Place, and a roadie had to hand it to him - Hooky's comment was somewhat tongue in cheek.....

Originally posted by little boy lost I've always wondered what Hooky meant with his remark, "This is the brass section. If the Jam can do it, I'm sure we can", between Blue Monday & In A Lonely Place. Could anybody explain?

Listen to "Absolute Beginners" by the Jam. I think that should explain.

Thanks a lot, guys! This has been bugging me for years... I and now it's solved :-)