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Tonight NOOL's we visit BLITZ FEB 1989 No.74 Price £1-65p which i have in my collection.Of interest to me is the page with a few pictures of the great PETER SAVILLE covers. Power,Corruption And Lies,Blue Monday and Confusion.And i quote... The essence of the best of PETER SAVILLE's sleeve designs for NEW ORDER is not abstract conceptualism,but mere simplicity.The only basic difference between a NEW ORDER record sleeve and that of any other band is that,while other bands or their labels require the standard format of group shots and clear details of title,tracklisting and so on,Saville is allowed by FACTORY to dispense with all of that and indulge himself in more or less pure design.

I thought i should just share this with you and now ask you all to quote your snippets and clippings with ALL the relevant details from the DARK past.Then i can see if i have them and more importantly we can all learn about what used to drive this great band and record label. I could quote other bits from this mag if you like or will do another completely different FAVE FROM THE GRAVE snippet another time.Your call...:wink: Cheers Rocket and his DIRTY MAGS Mick :D

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From Cut magazine Dec 1988/Jan 1989

"New Order don't promote themselves with any of the normal methods," says Wilson. "They promote themselves by putting money into the Hacienda and allowing their names to be associated with it."

Closing the club down would have been a bodyblow to the company, explains Wilson. The band had to keep the club going to prevent "the corporate damage to Factory Communications because, believe me, many times we were close to closing."

The memory is not lost on Stephen Morris. He says he cannot go through the door without being struck by the memory of "six people sitting there in a corner, freezing to death. I see it doing well now, but it worries me," he says. "It just makes me feel uneasy - it's just so much money." Though they helped save it, he and Gill Gilbert have only been to the Hacienda twice this year.

Despite the tax wrangles, New Order's loyalty to the club and the company haven't deserted them. Although, as Gretton, who'd like to move into property, announces : "If we would have made the money we lost on the Hacienda we would probably have owned Manchester by now."

Heck, the whole script from 24HPP seems to come from this article, written by Andy Spinoza

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Alright, this is from the magazine Music Technology, the June 1989 US issue (not sure if it came out in Europe, but it does have a European office). NO is on the cover, with Barney wearing some dodgy sunglasses.

A couple of good quotes from Stephen, the only one interviewed.

"Playing drums is basically a very repetitive operation," Morriss explains, sipping his Earl Grey tea. "If you're a drummer you're just doing the same things over and over again, and a lot of it is best left to a machine. Then you can do some of the more interesting bits yourself. I also wanted to have access to a wide range of sounds, because with conventional drum kits you're stuck with one. As soon as the first little programmable drum machine, the little Boss Dr. Rhythm, came out, I grabbed it. When I first got it I chucked the manual away, assumed you just had to tap your rhythm in and was disappointed to realize it didn't work like that".

About winning a BPI video award

"We were very pleased when we won the BPI award for the 'True Faith' video, but awards don't mean bloody anything really. They're something nice to stick on your mantelpiece, but that one was buggered when we got it anyway. It had one prong off, New Order was spelled wrong and they'd got the title of the record down as 'True Face'. It was a complete farce-they didn't even know we were there. Everybody else was in little boxes and we were put with the punters, and we didn't know what to do"

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Excellent!I don't seemto have either of these two articles above.This is the type of writings i am after.Well done and keep up the anecdotes. Rocket Mick says :hi:

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that is hilarious - how can you spell new order wrong? :lol: :lol:

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Here is a live review, picked at random from Melody Maker 16 April 1983:

NEW ORDER The State, Liverpool

New Order continue to to go their own way. It would be easy to criticise their attitude to performing, but it is just as easy to admire their single mindedness. They obviously see playing live as a vehicle to show off their considerable talents rather than a time to bask in their former glories. Nobody present expected to hear "Sister Ray" or "Atmosphere", but the omission of "Temptation" and even "Blue Monday" from the set left most people feeling cheated. The band's look, listen and learn approach did nothing to endear them to the audience, many of whom were experiencing New Order for the first time. It seems the enjoyment of a New Order concert comes from the rarity of it. Impress your friends - tell them you've seen New Order live. A mix up over ticket sales meant that more than 400 fans were turned away from the door, so New Order agreed to play the following night, showing that the group do care for their fans. If only they'd show it more often.

Chris Buckley

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Originally posted by Old Blue Here is a live review, picked at random from Melody Maker 16 April 1983:NEW ORDERThe State, LiverpoolNew Order continue to to go their own way. It would be easy to criticise their attitude to performing, but it is just as easy to admire their single mindedness. They obviously see playing live as a vehicle to show off their considerable talents rather than a time to bask in their former glories. Nobody present expected to hear "Sister Ray" or "Atmosphere", but the omission of "Temptation" and even "Blue Monday" from the set left most people feeling cheated.The band's look, listen and learn approach did nothing to endear them to the audience, many of whom were experiencing New Order for the first time. It seems the enjoyment of a New Order concert comes from the rarity of it. Impress your friends - tell them you've seen New Order live.A mix up over ticket sales meant that more than 400 fans were turned away from the door, so New Order agreed to play the following night, showing that the group do care for their fans. If only they'd show it more often.Chris Buckley

Always made me chuckle, that one. The ten they did play were

1 586 2 Procession
3 Dreams Never End
4 Your Silent Face
5 We All Stand
6 Ultraviolence
7 The Village
8 Age of Consent
9 In A Lonely Place
10 Ceremony

OK, so six of the forthcoming album that would have been new to most, but a good set all the same !

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THE FACE JULY 1983 Price 75p "I'm amazed!I've never seen so much shit.Some of it is good and some of it's bad but on the whole the recordings are horrible.I'm fascinated though.It's so repetitive,so monotonous.The same songs over and over again." This is what PETER HOOK had to say on the bootleg industry bonanza in rare live and studio recordings. "The people who buy ours seem to take our music more seroiusly.Maybe that's because we take it more seriously." THE GOOD OLD DAYS ..remember BENNY?:D

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By the way, for those who didn't notice yet, we have several articles on New Order and Joy Division available on the site for your reading pleasure.

Click on the RESOURCES menu and select "Articles and interviews" (first menu item).

And if you care to scan and/or type more and send them to us, it will be with great pleasure that we will be adding them.

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Isn't there a copyright issue here, though ?

Mind you, mine is from a magazine that hasn't been published for about 10 years :Lol:

I'll get onto it soon : good article - 2 pages of A3 :)

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Originally posted by clayts Isn't there a copyright issue here, though ?Mind you, mine is from a magazine that hasn't been published for about 10 years :Lol:I'll get onto it soon : good article - 2 pages of A3 :)

I don't think BLITZ has been going for years aswell!:D

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I've got a really interesting article form a Croatian newspaper, but if I scanned it noone would understand it. I reckon I should translate it myself then. What about non-English language articles generally ?

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So who's old Mags, and why are you revisiting her?

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Originally posted by Revolution, Purity, Love, Suicide, Accuracy So who's old Mags, and why are you revisiting her?

:clap: :clap: That would be telling!:wink:

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Gotta dig up a couple of other US zines that you probably don't have Mick, including one where Barney or Peter, can't remember which, says that they got to meet David Lee Roth (interview is from 85, I think).

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Originally posted by Green Gotta dig up a couple of other US zines that you probably don't have Mick, including one where Barney or Peter, can't remember which, says that they got to meet David Lee Roth (interview is from 85, I think).

That would be good mate!:nod:

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and there's that lovely review of world (the price of love) from the 21 august 1993 NME:

yes, those lovable new order funsters have come up with another poptabulous summer cracker from the best-selling albu... oh, up your arse! go home! make babies! join your local neighbourhood watch scheme! anything but more of this excrutiating formularised new order join-the-dots MOR pap! we all know what this sounds like. you don't care anymore, you hate each other, you can't be arsed, you'd rather watch repeats of 'spender' on telly, and frankly so would we. GO AWAY!

not very nice, mr. jonathan smoking-person!

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Okay, I'm pretty sure that this US zine doesn't operate any more; it's called Matter, and it was from either Boston or New York. This is from the January 1986 issue, with the maniac Monoman himself, Jeff Conolly, first of DMZ, then of the fabulous Lyres, garage-rock supremists with a fantastic live show, on the cover.

There are no pics of the band, just an article that I will edit a bit. Great humour by the band as well.

Barney is too pooped to think after the previous night's excursion to the Palladium. "It was like a department store on Christmas Eve." "We couldn't get near the bar to get a drink," complains Stephen Morris.

"Americans are all outgoing, but they are dead loud. In England they think Americans act like the characters on 'Dynasty'." Sumner also laments the difficulty of ordering Pernod at clubs in this country. But wait! New Order are just back from Japan, where things are worse. "Where no one can make a decision about anything."

"They have to have a meeting to decide everything," Morris explains.

"We caused a riot," Sumner recounts happily. "It was because we gave an unexpected, by the security, encore."

"They were sitting down having a meeting about it," injects Morris.

"Thousands and thousands of little schoolgirls ran up the aisles and onto the stage," adds Sumner.

Sumner's average day: "I wake up. I get myself a cup of tea. Switch the TV on. Lie down. Put the remote control switch on my chest, and stay there till midnight."

Not doing much to spark up your image, guys. "Our image? Do we have one?" asks Morris

"Depressed," muses Sumner. "I suppose our biggest amount of publicity was when Ian Curtis died. We wouldn't speak to the press, so they made things up. But we have fun!" he insists. "We like going out at night drinking until we pass out."

"I like to buy video equipment and throw it out of hotel windows," Morris sighs, sipping chocolate milk.

"I guess most of what I do for fun is unprintable," adds Sumner.

Peter Hook is a cheery, pony-tailed guy with no outward evidence of a hangover, and is down the hall with Gillian Gilbert. She's shy and quiet and acquiesces to whatever opinion anyone bothers to blurt out.

"I know some people buy our records," Hook announces, while Gilbert smiles. "We've met 'em. The bellboy at our hotel. At our shows we get hippies, skinheads. Students. Old people. Middle-aged people. It's very good." He does look pleased.

"Who is Hook a fan of?" "Just A Gigolo" by David Lee Roth. We met him in L.A.! He's fantastic!" Hook also loves Lou Reed, but is perturbed about his Honda commerical. "I thought it was his video. Then he says, on the bike, 'It beats walking. Oh!' Hook slaps himself on the head, mumbling the phrase over to himself.

Meanwhile, Sumner and Morris are still complaining. Changing the subject, I ask about New Order come up with the lyrics. "We usually do it together in the studio," says Sumner.

"We fight over 'a' not 'the' or 'that'," confesses Morriss.

When this dynamic duo aren't watching "Twilight Zone" or reruns of "Sgt. Bilko", they listen to Iggy Pop-a passion for the entire band. ("Come to think of it, I wish I wrote Iggy's song 'The Passenger'" says Sumner wistfully. "Or 'Heroes' by Bowie.") Morris fave is Terry Riley: "Actually it is so extremely repetitive and simplistic you can only play it every ten years, or put it on at parties to get rid of people." They also admit to liking the Dream Syndicate, R.E.M., Husker Du and yes, David Lee Roth.

"We met him in L.A." I'm informed a second time. "We met Quincy, too. Adds Sumner about Q : "He's really nice. He says 'man' a lot."

Sumner leans forward, mulling something over thoughtfully. "Do you know what happened when we were out there?" We were at a club, and they played 'Blue Monday', followed by an instrumental. We were all going, 'This is really good, who is this?' 'Oh, it sounds a bit like Hooky's bass' Halfway through, we realized it was an old Joy Division flexi-disc we'd forgotten." Sumner shakes his head, grinning. "It was us."

Even though there may be a tall tale or two in that article, I still find myself chuckling whenever I re-read that one.

Hopefully, sometime later this year, I will be getting a scanner so that I can send these clippings to the webmasters, especially for the cover of the Music Technology magazine.

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'This is really good, who is this?' 'Oh, it sounds a bit like Hooky's bass' Halfway through, we realized it was an old Joy Division flexi-disc we'd forgotten." Sumner shakes his head, grinning. "It was us."

:lol:

:clap:

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Cheers AGENTWOOD and GREEN for those articles.I had not seen the one you posted before GREEN.And i do remember feeling sad at that review for NEW ORDER and WORLD though!:nod:

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Originally posted by Hibster that is hilarious - how can you spell new order wrong? :lol: :lol:

No Order???:laugh:

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"I like to buy video equipment and throw it out of hotel windows," Morris sighs, sipping chocolate milk....Morris fave is Terry Riley: "Actually it is so extremely repetitive and simplistic you can only play it every ten years, or put it on at parties to get rid of people."

Ah yes, there's the dour, humorless New Order we all know and love. Especially that uptight Morris lad. :tank: :D

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For the completists out there, in the booklet that accompanies the Cabaret Voltaire 3-disc box set, Conform to Deform '82/'90. Archive; , which basically covers the Some Bizzarre/EMI years of the Cabs, there is a quote from both Barney and Mr. Wilson.

Barney

If Cabaret Voltaire were a new group today they would find it hard. Apart from a few exceptions today's musicians are mainly careerists, today's music scene seems geared toward product, forward thinking means the Beatles, industrial music has been replace by industry music. Because of all this we need Cabaret Voltaire more than we ever did, perhaps their time is now.

Dated 14 September 2001

Wilson

There ain't much good that comes over the Pennines but this lot were. Fucking good! And they did come over the Pennines.

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SOUNDS APRIL 1 1989 PRICE 60p Now long since gone from the shelves this article appeared with a FRONT COVER of NEW ORDER lying on the floor and the cheesy headline... THE FLOORED GENIUS OF NEW ORDER "When we started,journalists were fishing and we were fishing,so we had to form a middle ground of mutual disgust." Even the singing sounds a lot better(TECHNIQUE)this time.Has he been having singing lessons? "Well,that was P.J .PROBY who showed us what to do there.He showed us it's a lot better when you put all the songs into the same key.It really screws up the guitars,though.A typical live example was CONFUSION - BARNEY always had a lot of difficulty singing that.But now he finds it a lot easier."

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Good work Mick!! :clap:

How about revisiting some Electronic articles as well Rocket!! :) theres been some beauties in the past!!

Remember 'Rage' magazine and Select reviews for example...

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Originally posted by DoN Good work Mick!! :clap:How about revisiting some Electronic articles as well Rocket!! :) theres been some beauties in the past!!Remember 'Rage' magazine and Select reviews for example...

Yeah DON i have about 12/15 articles on the mags..saved the WHOLE mags.Got these two aswell.I have just thrown away 20 years of the FACE and all my Q MAGS apart from the ORDER/ELECTRONIC and spinoffs.There was no room at PLANET ROCKET to spin a GIRO round.There are burning a HOLE in my SHELLSUIT!:D

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SELECT SEPTEMBER 1993 £1.75p ABSOLUT (sic) NEW ORDER BERNARD:"To be a fully fledged,all-the-medals lead singer,i think you've got to be a bit of a twat.It's difficult.You need a certain swell-headedness.." So could YOU be a singer then?:D

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Originally posted by Rocket Mick SELECT SEPTEMBER 1993 £1.75p ABSOLUT (sic) NEW ORDER BERNARD:"To be a fully fledged,all-the-medals lead singer,i think you've got to be a bit of a twat.It's difficult.You need a certain swell-headedness.." So could YOU be a singer then?:D

I have that one! That's where I stole my nickname from (in the Saville interview, there's a Louie pic with the caption "MonsieurRound&Round"

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Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> SELECT SEPTEMBER 1993 £1.75p ABSOLUT (sic) NEW ORDER BERNARD:"To be a fully fledged,all-the-medals lead singer,i think you've got to be a bit of a twat.It's difficult.You need a certain swell-headedness.." So could YOU be a singer then?:D

I have that one! That's where I stole my nickname from (in the Saville interview, there's a Louie pic with the caption "MonsieurRound&Round" PAGE 80..sorry for not namechecking YOU!:D

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Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> SELECT SEPTEMBER 1993 £1.75p ABSOLUT (sic) NEW ORDER BERNARD:"To be a fully fledged,all-the-medals lead singer,i think you've got to be a bit of a twat.It's difficult.You need a certain swell-headedness.." So could YOU be a singer then?:D

I have that one! That's where I stole my nickname from (in the Saville interview, there's a Louie pic with the caption "MonsieurRound&Round" PAGE 80..sorry for not namechecking YOU!:D

No problem, Mick! By the way, the photo suits me, doesn't it :D

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Originally posted by Green Alright, this is from the magazine Music Technology, the June 1989 US issue (not sure if it came out in Europe, but it does have a European office). NO is on the cover, with Barney wearing some dodgy sunglasses. A couple of good quotes from Stephen, the only one interviewed."Playing drums is basically a very repetitive operation," Morriss explains, sipping his Earl Grey tea. "If you're a drummer you're just doing the same things over and over again, and a lot of it is best left to a machine. Then you can do some of the more interesting bits yourself. I also wanted to have access to a wide range of sounds, because with conventional drum kits you're stuck with one. As soon as the first little programmable drum machine, the little Boss Dr. Rhythm, came out, I grabbed it. When I first got it I chucked the manual away, assumed you just had to tap your rhythm in and was disappointed to realize it didn't work like that".About winning a BPI video award

"We were very pleased when we won the BPI award for the 'True Faith' video, but awards don't mean bloody anything really. They're something nice to stick on your mantelpiece, but that one was buggered when we got it anyway. It had one prong off, New Order was spelled wrong and they'd got the title of the record down as 'True Face'. It was a complete farce-they didn't even know we were there. Everybody else was in little boxes and we were put with the punters, and we didn't know what to do"

I have that one, too! Minus the cover, wich I used as a poster. That was 1990, so it's long gone (oh, those wild days at university :beer: )... but I remember the pic had Barney in a beige polo neck and Gillian with a flowery shirt/dress. Am I right?

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Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round> > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> SELECT SEPTEMBER 1993 £1.75p ABSOLUT (sic) NEW ORDER BERNARD:"To be a fully fledged,all-the-medals lead singer,i think you've got to be a bit of a twat.It's difficult.You need a certain swell-headedness.." So could YOU be a singer then?:D

I have that one! That's where I stole my nickname from (in the Saville interview, there's a Louie pic with the caption "MonsieurRound&Round" PAGE 80..sorry for not namechecking YOU!:D

No problem, Mick! By the way, the photo suits me, doesn't it :D Excellent...you look DIVINE MONSIEUR!:p

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Originally posted by Monsieur Round&Round > Originally posted by Green> Alright, this is from the magazine Music Technology, the June 1989 US issue (not sure if it came out in Europe, but it does have a European office). NO is on the cover, with Barney wearing some dodgy sunglasses.> > > A couple of good quotes from Stephen, the only one interviewed.> > > > "Playing drums is basically a very repetitive operation," Morriss explains, sipping his Earl Grey tea. "If you're a drummer you're just doing the same things over and over again, and a lot of it is best left to a machine. Then you can do some of the more interesting bits yourself. I also wanted to have access to a wide range of sounds, because with conventional drum kits you're stuck with one. As soon as the first little programmable drum machine, the little Boss Dr. Rhythm, came out, I grabbed it. When I first got it I chucked the manual away, assumed you just had to tap your rhythm in and was disappointed to realize it didn't work like that".> > > About winning a BPI video award

"We were very pleased when we won the BPI award for the 'True Faith' video, but awards don't mean bloody anything really. They're something nice to stick on your mantelpiece, but that one was buggered when we got it anyway. It had one prong off, New Order was spelled wrong and they'd got the title of the record down as 'True Face'. It was a complete farce-they didn't even know we were there. Everybody else was in little boxes and we were put with the punters, and we didn't know what to do"

I have that one, too! Minus the cover, wich I used as a poster. That was 1990, so it's long gone (oh, those wild days at university :beer: )... but I remember the pic had Barney in a beige polo neck and Gillian with a flowery shirt/dress. Am I right?

Very good memory indeed! :thumb: Not the best photo of the band by a long shot, but I find that I keep coming back to it for a look. Side lighting from the band's right keeps parts of their left sides in the dark (maybe that's why Barney was wearing those glasses!) but Gillian is the focus of that photo, with her hair flowing in front of her blouse, and poor Stephen looks like he's trying to sneak into the shot.

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VOX Special first issue price 95p October 1990 ELECTRONIC SOCKET TO 'EM IN LA Barney has developed his own tension-easing formula: "No,i'm not nervous,"he smiles."I'm too pissed to be nervous...." So no change there then!:D

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bump....lets get some more of these interesting articles. I only read a handful from the '90-'93 period.

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Originally posted by Stephen Smith bump....lets get some more of these interesting articles. I only read a handful from the '90-'93 period.

I have loads but should really scan them in.I kept them all in the original MAGS and as you can appreciate i could not move here at PLANET ROCKET for these.I thought WHY THE HELL did you keep em you fool.:wink:.I really should get out more or get another job and girlfriend.Mind you last night was a cracker!:nod:

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MUSIC COLLECTOR OCTOBER 1991 PRICE £1.95p Now no longer in circulation this article about NEW ORDER appeared.... During the WORLD CUP ,REVENGE released another single,PINEAPPLE FACE.Maybe everyone was watching the football,but whatever they were doing no one took any notice of this one,and it failed to chart(of most interest to the collectors are the cassette and US PROMO CD singles.)

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