That mysterious "Osaka 85" gig

Firstly, many many thanks to Robin Bashinsky for sending me a copy of the gig.

The findings of the Cobweb jury are.....

1. Definitely a Far East 85 gig, no doubt about it. Bass had that mid-85 sound to it (was Hooky using a new pedal ?) - anyone who has a Japan/Aus/NZ 85 bootleg will know what I mean. Also talking in Oriental language in background. I'm no Japanese expert though, which makes me think it could also be Chinese/Cantonese.

2. Different mistakes are made in songs that do not tally with other known recordings of that era, there is no way that this is a splice job of other gigs.

3. Barney announces before As It Is When It Was "I've only sung this once before". I know this wasn't true, as he sang it at Macclesfield and Salford a fortnight before this gig.

4. It appears there was an encore after all, as the band came back on and Barney began to speak just before the CD finished. Slight possibility that Perfect Kiss, the first song on the CD, could have been the encore as somebody in the audience called out "encore" just before it started playing.

5. Some interesting and novel lyrics on Lonesome Tonight that do not tally with any other live versions.

6. Though I do believe this is a "hidden gem" recording (and it's of good quality as well :)), I'm still not 100% convinced it is from Osaka - I suspect it may be the Hong Kong gig just before the Tokyo shows. There are two English (Mancunian) voices talking at the end of As It Is, either those who were taping the show or someone in the band's entourage.

7. Whatever the date is, it's a fantastic find and one that will be played to death on the flight to Antigua next week !!!

Are you studing japanese ?

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Firstly, many many thanks to Robin Bashinsky for sending me a copy of the gig.The findings of the Cobweb jury are.....1. Definitely a Far East 85 gig, no doubt about it. Bass had that mid-85 sound to it (was Hooky using a new pedal ?) - anyone who has a Japan/Aus/NZ 85 bootleg will know what I mean. Also talking in Oriental language in background. I'm no Japanese expert though, which makes me think it could also be Chinese/Cantonese.2. Different mistakes are made in songs that do not tally with other known recordings of that era, there is no way that this is a splice job of other gigs.3. Barney announces before As It Is When It Was "I've only sung this once before". I know this wasn't true, as he sang it at Macclesfield and Salford a fortnight before this gig.4. It appears there was an encore after all, as the band came back on and Barney began to speak just before the CD finished. Slight possibility that Perfect Kiss, the first song on the CD, could have been the encore as somebody in the audience called out "encore" just before it started playing.5. Some interesting and novel lyrics on Lonesome Tonight that do not tally with any other live versions.6. Though I do believe this is a "hidden gem" recording (and it's of good quality as well :)), I'm still not 100% convinced it is from Osaka - I suspect it may be the Hong Kong gig just before the Tokyo shows. There are two English (Mancunian) voices talking at the end of As It Is, either those who were taping the show or someone in the band's entourage.7. Whatever the date is, it's a fantastic find and one that will be played to death on the flight to Antigua next week !!!

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes Firstly, many many thanks to Robin Bashinsky for sending me a copy of the gig.The findings of the Cobweb jury are.....1. Definitely a Far East 85 gig, no doubt about it. Bass had that mid-85 sound to it (was Hooky using a new pedal ?) - anyone who has a Japan/Aus/NZ 85 bootleg will know what I mean. Also talking in Oriental language in background. I'm no Japanese expert though, which makes me think it could also be Chinese/Cantonese.2. Different mistakes are made in songs that do not tally with other known recordings of that era, there is no way that this is a splice job of other gigs.3. Barney announces before As It Is When It Was "I've only sung this once before". I know this wasn't true, as he sang it at Macclesfield and Salford a fortnight before this gig.4. It appears there was an encore after all, as the band came back on and Barney began to speak just before the CD finished. Slight possibility that Perfect Kiss, the first song on the CD, could have been the encore as somebody in the audience called out "encore" just before it started playing.5. Some interesting and novel lyrics on Lonesome Tonight that do not tally with any other live versions.6. Though I do believe this is a "hidden gem" recording (and it's of good quality as well :)), I'm still not 100% convinced it is from Osaka - I suspect it may be the Hong Kong gig just before the Tokyo shows. There are two English (Mancunian) voices talking at the end of As It Is, either those who were taping the show or someone in the band's entourage.7. Whatever the date is, it's a fantastic find and one that will be played to death on the flight to Antigua next week !!!

Great stuff!! love to hear this!!!

sounds fabulous!

i think the last song is temptation, but i guess we'll never know

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Here's an e-mail I received off a bloke who was at the Canton club gig.Don't know if this'll clear it up, or not?"Yes I went to this gig. I was a big JD fan and also NO at the start. I happened to be in HK and nearly didn't go to the gig cos I was poor and tickets were the equivalent of,I think, USD$17. Quite a lot at the time. But Eartha Kitt was playing soonafter and it was more than twice that price so we did go in the end realisingthat was the local prices. The club was called The Canton. It was quitetrendy. 98% of the audience were Chinese. Barney comes on and says 'Anyonefrom Manchester?' They were horrible, verging on racist I'd say and hugelycondescending. But I never liked them as people really. They played Low Lifeand the big hits like Blue Monday etc. They sounded good except when theyspoke!"

Cheers Al, it's definitely not that gig then, as at no time does Barney mention Manchester. He's actually quite apologetic at this show for having a sore throat, and hardly speaks between songs.

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes 3. Barney announces before As It Is When It Was "I've only sung this once before". I know this wasn't true, as he sang it at Macclesfield and Salford a fortnight before this gig.

isn't this quite a common sort of factual inaccuracy from barney? thinking about digital at finsbree for instance "we've never played this live before"

This sounds excellent and looks to be a NEW one.Great when something new is discovered.

Originally posted by Hibster > Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes 3. Barney announces before As It Is When It Was "I've only sung this once before". I know this wasn't true, as he sang it at Macclesfield and Salford a fortnight before this gig.

isn't this quite a common sort of factual inaccuracy from barney? thinking about digital at finsbree for instance "we've never played this live before"

Like :

"we will play a song now, that we´ve not played for 25 years"

maybee he meant that new order never played digital live? explode

Originally posted by frank smarra maybee he meant that new order never played digital live?explode

No frank, I was talking about she´s lost control at paris les zenith 2002.

I´ll talk with D.S to ask Hooky if they really played in Osaka someday :D

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart > Originally posted by frank smarra> maybee he meant that new order never played digital live?> explode

No frank, I was talking about she´s lost control at paris les zenith 2002.

I´ll talk with D.S to ask Hooky if they really played in Osaka someday :D

Well we know they played there twice in 1987 !!

Originally posted by and one that will be played to death on the flight to Antigua next week !!!

tim...slightly ot but enjoy antigua next week...i visited last year and stopped at the wonderfully named jolly beach..its a lovely island and the people are very friendly..if you can try and get into the capital st johns..(very easy on local buses )..you can even visit the cricket ground..( you have just missed the aussies getting thumped )..from st johns bus station you can get all round the island for only a few dollars.. great memories..do enjoy!!!

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart> > > > Originally posted by frank smarra> > maybee he meant that new order never played digital live?> > explode>

No frank, I was talking about she´s lost control at paris les zenith 2002.

I´ll talk with D.S to ask Hooky if they really played in Osaka someday :D

Well we know they played there twice in 1987 !!

Sorry Benny,

I forgot to mention someday in 1985 :D

Sorry Al, I missed all my japanese classes

I posted that at Neowin for translation...we have members from all over the world...

Originally posted by Al Jarvis Perhaps this might clear up where they did / didn't play in 1985? Anyone good with Cantonese? ;)

You wouldn't happen to have access to a better copy of this pic?

Originally posted by frank smarra maybee he meant that new order never played digital live?explode

they had already played it at paris le zenith a few weeks beforehand...

EXCELLENT!!!!!!!