18 MAY 1980

As a second- (or is it third-?) generation fan of both groups, let me just butt in and say I would have prefered Ian to live, but I appreciate the fact that New Order carried on. I WISH I'd been around (or old enough, seeing as I was born in '79) to see JD, but that's that, you can't fuck with the time-space continuem as Star Trek and other scifi shows are quick to remind us. Nonetheless, I appreciate JD for what they were and NO for what they are.

Now, back to the match.....

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perhaps al was a wee bit blunt, but i can see his point. i'm truly sick and tired of the deadly serious reverence (pun intended) some fans possess for their dearly-departed rock icons.

the worst example i've seen was at jim morrison's grave in paris. the site of 18-year-old hippies lighting joss sticks and candles and leaving poetry on his tombstone while weeping was so comical we had to bite our cheeks to keep from laughing. and fans vandalizing nearby graves with the 'jim ---->' signs...that's just pathetic and puerile.

a few years ago, two of my friends got kicked out of graceland for laughing too loud--the place is so hideously tacky it deserves a good laugh, but god forbid someone should let out a giggle in the home of the king! i mean, the man did die on the toilet. (for the record, my grandmother also died on the toilet and that provided my family with a bit of much-needed humour, some of it elvis-related, in our time of grief)

and kurt cobain...that memorial service they had after his death was so cringeworthy i watched it through my fingers.

sure, suicide and dying at a young age are very sad, but as my friend christie, who is a doctor (and also happens to be one of the people kicked out of graceland) says, you have to learn to laugh at the act of death otherwise, after a while, you would just stop getting up in the morning.

Originally posted by AgentWood perhaps al was a wee bit blunt, but i can see his point. i'm truly sick and tired of the deadly serious reverence (pun intended) some fans possess for their dearly-departed rock icons. the worst example i've seen was at jim morrison's grave in paris. the site of 18-year-old hippies lighting joss sticks and candles and leaving poetry on his tombstone while weeping was so comical we had to bite our cheeks to keep from laughing. and fans vandalizing nearby graves with the 'jim ---->' signs...that's just pathetic and puerile. a few years ago, two of my friends got kicked out of graceland for laughing too loud--the place is so hideously tacky it deserves a good laugh, but god forbid someone should let out a giggle in the home of the king! i mean, the man did die on the toilet. (for the record, my grandmother also died on the toilet and that provided my family with a bit of much-needed humour, some of it elvis-related, in our time of grief)and kurt cobain...that memorial service they had after his death was so cringeworthy i watched it through my fingers.sure, suicide and dying at a young age are very sad, but as my friend christie, who is a doctor (and also happens to be one of the people kicked out of graceland) says, you have to learn to laugh at the act of death otherwise, after a while, you would just stop getting up in the morning.

I agree...funnily enough my son went to see JIM's grave recently though.I had to visit the tree where MARC BOLAN crashed into but this was part of a trek round BARNES COMMON were we talked about ALL music and just happened to pass the spot when my mate said"DO YOU WANNA SEE THE TREE ".I couldn't resist.As you say DEATH is part of living.I watrched for 14 years whilst my mother slowly died from ALZEIMERS(sorry for my spelling).Now that is pretty shitty but please folks don't go too morbid on us.The music is great and that is what should really matter.And please let ALL NOOL's have freedom of speech and express their views without getting all upset.Sometimes you have to eye to eye contact to really know where a person is coming from.Relax and play some JOY DIVISION or NEW ORDER and be thankful you are alive and well and listening to their legacy.Think i need a beer now. Cheers ROCKET MICK

Originally posted by Rocket Mick > Originally posted by AgentWood> perhaps al was a wee bit blunt, but i can see his point. i'm truly sick and tired of the deadly serious reverence (pun intended) some fans possess for their dearly-departed rock icons. > > the worst example i've seen was at jim morrison's grave in paris. the site of 18-year-old hippies lighting joss sticks and candles and leaving poetry on his tombstone while weeping was so comical we had to bite our cheeks to keep from laughing. and fans vandalizing nearby graves with the 'jim ---->' signs...that's just pathetic and puerile. > > a few years ago, two of my friends got kicked out of graceland for laughing too loud--the place is so hideously tacky it deserves a good laugh, but god forbid someone should let out a giggle in the home of the king! i mean, the man did die on the toilet. (for the record, my grandmother also died on the toilet and that provided my family with a bit of much-needed humour, some of it elvis-related, in our time of grief)> > and kurt cobain...that memorial service they had after his death was so cringeworthy i watched it through my fingers.> > sure, suicide and dying at a young age are very sad, but as my friend christie, who is a doctor (and also happens to be one of the people kicked out of graceland) says, you have to learn to laugh at the act of death otherwise, after a while, you would just stop getting up in the morning.

I agree...funnily enough my son went to see JIM's grave recently though.I had to visit the tree where MARC BOLAN crashed into but this was part of a trek round BARNES COMMON were we talked about ALL music and just happened to pass the spot when my mate said"DO YOU WANNA SEE THE TREE ".I couldn't resist.As you say DEATH is part of living.I watrched for 14 years whilst my mother slowly died from ALZEIMERS(sorry for my spelling).Now that is pretty shitty but please folks don't go too morbid on us.The music is great and that is what should really matter.And please let ALL NOOL's have freedom of speech and express their views without getting all upset.Sometimes you have to eye to eye contact to really know where a person is coming from.Relax and play some JOY DIVISION or NEW ORDER and be thankful you are alive and well and listening to their legacy.Think i need a beer now. Cheers ROCKET MICK

ROCKETSENSE!

Originally posted by DoN > Originally posted by Rocket Mick> > > > Originally posted by AgentWood> > perhaps al was a wee bit blunt, but i can see his point. i'm truly sick and tired of the deadly serious reverence (pun intended) some fans possess for their dearly-departed rock icons. > > > > the worst example i've seen was at jim morrison's grave in paris. the site of 18-year-old hippies lighting joss sticks and candles and leaving poetry on his tombstone while weeping was so comical we had to bite our cheeks to keep from laughing. and fans vandalizing nearby graves with the 'jim ---->' signs...that's just pathetic and puerile. > > > > a few years ago, two of my friends got kicked out of graceland for laughing too loud--the place is so hideously tacky it deserves a good laugh, but god forbid someone should let out a giggle in the home of the king! i mean, the man did die on the toilet. (for the record, my grandmother also died on the toilet and that provided my family with a bit of much-needed humour, some of it elvis-related, in our time of grief)> > > > and kurt cobain...that memorial service they had after his death was so cringeworthy i watched it through my fingers.> > > > sure, suicide and dying at a young age are very sad, but as my friend christie, who is a doctor (and also happens to be one of the people kicked out of graceland) says, you have to learn to laugh at the act of death otherwise, after a while, you would just stop getting up in the morning.>

I agree...funnily enough my son went to see JIM's grave recently though.I had to visit the tree where MARC BOLAN crashed into but this was part of a trek round BARNES COMMON were we talked about ALL music and just happened to pass the spot when my mate said"DO YOU WANNA SEE THE TREE ".I couldn't resist.As you say DEATH is part of living.I watrched for 14 years whilst my mother slowly died from ALZEIMERS(sorry for my spelling).Now that is pretty shitty but please folks don't go too morbid on us.The music is great and that is what should really matter.And please let ALL NOOL's have freedom of speech and express their views without getting all upset.Sometimes you have to eye to eye contact to really know where a person is coming from.Relax and play some JOY DIVISION or NEW ORDER and be thankful you are alive and well and listening to their legacy.Think i need a beer now. Cheers ROCKET MICK

ROCKETSENSE!

Agreed

More like NONSENSIBLE BOLLOCKS!

Originally posted by Rocket Mick More like NONSENSIBLE BOLLOCKS!

Well, that too, but not everyone can write as well as me :p

On topic, let me just say that: both bands rule, there ARE some idiots who take this stuff about Ian dying way too seriously, these are what we call "Goth Kids" and they should be pitied. You focus on the man's death over the music he made while still alive, you miss the whole fucking point. so sayeth I...:D

Originally posted by Tapio Juntunen In A Lonely Place Caressing the marble and stoneLove that was special for oneThe waste and the fever and hateHow I wish you were here with me nowThe body that kills and hidesMatches an awful delightWarm like a dog round your feetHow I wish you were here with me nowThe hangman looks round as he waitsGullet stretches tight and it breaksSomeday we will die in your dreamsHow I wish we were here with you now

Not sure he'd approve of you changing his lyrics like that !

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Tapio Juntunen> In A Lonely Place > > Caressing the marble and stone> Love that was special for one> The waste and the fever and hate> How I wish you were here with me now> > The body that kills and hides> Matches an awful delight> Warm like a dog round your feet> How I wish you were here with me now> > The hangman looks round as he waits> Gullet stretches tight and it breaks> Someday we will die in your dreams> How I wish we were here with you now

Not sure he'd approve of you changing his lyrics like that !

My turn.

He's dead, he's been dead for a while, and it was a tragedy for his family and friends. We don't count, as we are neither family nor friends, and some of the sycophantic bollocks on here is truly nauseating. Life goes on, wailing at an altar like the sleeve of Closer doesn't change anything.

We should be thankful that the awful occurrence (and it was just that) spawned what developed into New Order. We should be thankful that we got two groundbreaking bands instead of one. That's what Al was inferring.

And I was married on May 17th this year - deliberately planned so that at the precise moment he finished the last of the old scotch bottle, I was making sure my marriage couldn't be annulled !!

I´ll marry on 25 October cause church rent is cheaper

Originally posted by Benny's Cobweb Eyes > Originally posted by Tapio Juntunen> In A Lonely Place > > Caressing the marble and stone> Love that was special for one> The waste and the fever and hate> How I wish you were here with me now> > The body that kills and hides> Matches an awful delight> Warm like a dog round your feet> How I wish you were here with me now> > The hangman looks round as he waits> Gullet stretches tight and it breaks> Someday we will die in your dreams> How I wish we were here with you now

Not sure he'd approve of you changing his lyrics like that !

Originally posted by Al Jarvis > Originally posted by little boy lost> > > Perhaps, but I'm also surprised people can take things to literally. And seriously. Then again, we are talking Joy Division fans here. Does everything need to be qualified with a smilie for maximal impact? If anyone's offended then I'd dread to thinking what they made of Gretton's infamous 'hanging around in the kitchen' quote, when Ian's cadaver was very much warmer.> > > > > Originally posted by little boy lost> > > > What has England's national football team to do with the matter anyway?>

Sorry, you've lost me here. Is this relating to fcuk? I often mispell profanities in mails - lessens the blow to some extent.

I see... you don't have to add smilies when you are being sarcastic, but I have to when I crack a(n admittedly corny) joke "for maximal impact". Incidentally, you almost put your finger on it: F(ootball) C(lub) U(nited) K(ingdom); that wasn't so hard, now, was it?

Originally posted by film 5 8 6 > Originally posted by David Church> > > > Originally posted by Tapio Juntunen> > In A Lonely Place > > > > Caressing the marble and stone> > Love that was special for one> > The waste and the fever and hate> > How I wish you were here with me now> > > > The body that kills and hides> > Matches an awful delight> > Warm like a dog round your feet> > How I wish you were here with me now> > > > The hangman looks round as he waits> > Gullet stretches tight and it breaks> > Someday we will die in your dreams> > How I wish we were here with you now >

God, of the countless times I've heard that song, I don't think I ever really noticed those lines "The hangman looks `round as he waits/ Gullet stretches tight and it breaks"... Yet another eerie premonition in his lyrics. simply tragic.... i agree, although the line is actually "cord stretches tight as it breaks." in fact, many of these lines are misquoted. here are the lyrics, according to both Debbie Curtis and thus the Heart&Soul box set booklet:

IN A LONELY PLACE

caressing the marble and stone love that was special for one the waste in the fever i heat how i wish you were here with me now

body that curls in and dies and shares that awful daylight warm like a dog 'round your feet how i wish you were here with me now

hangman looks 'round as he waits cord stretches tight then it breaks someday we will die in your dreams how i wish we were here with you now.

No wonder those lines seemed to strike me so much all of a sudden. I was reacting to the misquoted lyrics posted earlier. Yes, the proper words--which I know I've read before--do sound much more familiar...since the song is often on repeat in my humble abode. Thanks for the correction. At least it wasn't initially my mistake, rather my failure to cross-reference the wrong ones with the true ones.

Originally posted by Soppy Giuseppe :) And I was married on May 17th this year - deliberately planned so that at the precise moment he finished the last of the old scotch bottle, I was making sure my marriage couldn't be annulled !!

Unless bigamy....

> Perhaps, but I'm also surprised people can take things to literally. And seriously. Then again, we are talking Joy Division fans here. Does everything need to be qualified with a smilie for maximal impact? If anyone's offended then I'd dread to thinking what they made of Gretton's infamous 'hanging around in the kitchen' quote, when Ian's cadaver was very much warmer.

I'm afraid I can't smile. My second-hand grey raincoat won't let me.