chance (atmosphere)

hello everyone

i bought heart and soul a good while back, and haven't really listened to it much. anyway, i thought that i would pop it on as i was bored, and there was nothing else to listen to. anyway, i put the third cd in with all the session tracks on and i stumbled across chance, which is basically atmosphere. you lot have probably heard a number of times, but i thought it was amazing. the accordion in it (i think it's accordion) makes the song even more atmospheric than how we more a less know it today.

what are your views on it?

:)

It's the version before Hannet put his hands on it. I like the lyrics a lot :)

It took me a long time to be able to listen to it, the accordian(?) effect was almost too much at first. Now I have to admit it's quite good, but I still prefer the Hannett version.

is it an accordion effect? lol i don't know... just a guess to be honest.

correct me if i'm horrifically wrong :D

I think it's just Barney's home-made synth !

Yeh, something like that. The same instrument puts in an appearance on Something Must Break I think.

I like the "crossing the line" bit too, but the song so obviously needed some more work at the time. Having said that, it's a totally unique version that (for once for a demo) adds something worthwhile to the version we all know, is worth listening to in it's own right, and has a unique atmosphere (pun intended) of it's own.

This was the first version of it - obviously they didn't like the extra bits, as they'd gone by the time they started playing it live in September 79 !!

Originally posted by Known Pleasures This was the first version of it - obviously they didn't like the extra bits, as they'd gone by the time they started playing it live in September 79 !!

Maybe one of the live tapes in Hooky's 'legendary' collection contains an earlier version with the Woolworth's synth and extra lyrics! They were definitely playing it around May '79 as there's a review from that time that mentions it by name (and it'd been renamed Atmosphere by then).

Originally posted by Philip Collins > Originally posted by Known Pleasures This was the first version of it - obviously they didn't like the extra bits, as they'd gone by the time they started playing it live in September 79 !!

Maybe one of the live tapes in Hooky's 'legendary' collection contains an earlier version with the Woolworth's synth and extra lyrics! They were definitely playing it around May '79 as there's a review from that time that mentions it by name (and it'd been renamed Atmosphere by then).

Yeah, Ian Wood reviewed the Eric's gig (possibly the one where Gillian played guitar on Atmosphere?) but curiously he names it Atmosphere. The band obviously thought Chance was a good replacement name, but later reverted to the original. Still, I've never been a big fan of the track in either guise, and can never understand why it's always in the top 2 "All Time Fave JD Songs". Each to his own...

Originally posted by Atrocity Exhibit > Originally posted by Philip Collins> > > > Originally posted by Known Pleasures> This was the first version of it - obviously they didn't like the extra bits, as they'd gone by the time they started playing it live in September 79 !!

Maybe one of the live tapes in Hooky's 'legendary' collection contains an earlier version with the Woolworth's synth and extra lyrics! They were definitely playing it around May '79 as there's a review from that time that mentions it by name (and it'd been renamed Atmosphere by then).

Yeah, Ian Wood reviewed the Eric's gig (possibly the one where Gillian played guitar on Atmosphere?) but curiously he names it Atmosphere. The band obviously thought Chance was a good replacement name, but later reverted to the original. Still, I've never been a big fan of the track in either guise, and can never understand why it's always in the top 2 "All Time Fave JD Songs". Each to his own...

It's also my number 2

Originally posted by Atrocity Exhibit > Originally posted by Philip Collins> > > > Originally posted by Known Pleasures> This was the first version of it - obviously they didn't like the extra bits, as they'd gone by the time they started playing it live in September 79 !!

Maybe one of the live tapes in Hooky's 'legendary' collection contains an earlier version with the Woolworth's synth and extra lyrics! They were definitely playing it around May '79 as there's a review from that time that mentions it by name (and it'd been renamed Atmosphere by then).

Yeah, Ian Wood reviewed the Eric's gig (possibly the one where Gillian played guitar on Atmosphere?) but curiously he names it Atmosphere. The band obviously thought Chance was a good replacement name, but later reverted to the original. Still, I've never been a big fan of the track in either guise, and can never understand why it's always in the top 2 "All Time Fave JD Songs". Each to his own...

I don't remember that interview - any chance (sic... ) of a transcript ? Not that I'm doubting you, just that I can't remember ever reading it (unless it's in An Ideal For Living and I'm having a bad morning !!)

No worries, I'll dig out my copy of A History In Cuttings and try to get it up (so to speak) later tonight.

Right, here goes:

Joy DivisionLiverpoolWhen Warsaw changed their name to Joy Division they must have had their tongues in their cheeks.Feeble and pretentious in their past incarnation, Joy Division now sketch withering grey abstractions of industrial malaise. Unfortunately, anyone who has seen Paul Flannery's play "Savage Amusement" or lived in the low-rent squalor of a Northern Industrial city would know their vision is deadly accurate.Bernard Albrecht (guitar), Peter Hook (bass) and drummer Stephen Morris play a series of spatial constructions based on cyclical variations on simple, melancholy themes. The impact is stunning and oppressive: guitar used as aural vibrator, Hook's fluid bass and Morris' supremely functional drumming ebbing and flowing, building up the tension.Musically, Joy Division are much more punishing than any Heavy Metal band. What makes them unique is singer Ian Curtis.A slight, thin figure, he moves deftly and delicately, his voice surprisingly strong, in his eyes and face a look of humility and fear. If this sounds like a mere stage play on paper, in reality Curtis' transparent humanity - that of a loser caught in a world only partially understood - is totally credible.Song titles are suitably brief and abstract: "Wilderness", "Not Afraid", "Digital", "Glass", and "Atmosphere".When Joy Division left the stage I felt emotionally drained. They are, without any exaggeration, an Important Band.Ian Wood, NME, 26.5.79

Also flicking through the scrapbook, one of the first items is a report on Ian's suicide, and in it the writer says that he was "found in a Manchester street on Sunday morning." Makes him sound like some fookin' dog!

Not Afraid ???

Any suggestions ???

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart Not Afraid ??? Any suggestions ???

Insight. The fact that he got this one wrong makes me wonder how he found out about Atmosphere (obviously he didn't get the setlist). As we know, Ian wasn't massively into introducing the songs on stage, but I can't see any other way that he (Ian Wood) would get the name "Atmosphere".

Anyway, the only version I ever really listen to of Atmosphere is the Nashville 22/9/79 version. Just a shame it's from the hissiest-sounding cassette source I've ever come across. Anyone got a vaguely listenable recording of this one (I've got the soundboard, which sadly lacks Atmosphere. What is it about JD sound engineers always missing part of the soundboard recordings? Paradiso, High Hall, Nashville, Leigh, Blackpool... Also, the infamous lost Moonlight soundboard tape from which Sister Ray came. The only complete ones in circulation are Preston and YMCA, which I don't have in soundboard form, anyone got it?)

Originally posted by Atrocity Exhibit > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart Not Afraid ??? Any suggestions ???

Insight. The fact that he got this one wrong makes me wonder how he found out about Atmosphere (obviously he didn't get the setlist). As we know, Ian wasn't massively into introducing the songs on stage, but I can't see any other way that he (Ian Wood) would get the name "Atmosphere".

Anyway, the only version I ever really listen to of Atmosphere is the Nashville 22/9/79 version. Just a shame it's from the hissiest-sounding cassette source I've ever come across. Anyone got a vaguely listenable recording of this one (I've got the soundboard, which sadly lacks Atmosphere. What is it about JD sound engineers always missing part of the soundboard recordings? Paradiso, High Hall, Nashville, Leigh, Blackpool... Also, the infamous lost Moonlight soundboard tape from which Sister Ray came. The only complete ones in circulation are Preston and YMCA, which I don't have in soundboard form, anyone got it?)

I am not afraid anymore...makes sense :)

Almost all JD soundboard tapes is missing the first song.I don't forgive them for Birmigham 1980 Concert,miss Ceremony was a great fault.

I've got YMCA 1979 (10 songs) don't know if it's soundboard but sounds very good.Maybe Ricardo could help us about this.Jan sent me Atmosphere from Nashville and it's an audience version.Another curiosity is that Atlanta 19/04/80 last song Colony is soundboard and the rest of the concert not,am I correct ? Quality in this one is much better on my cd.

No, the Ajanta recording is from the complete tape (made by someone called Tim apparently), and a few people have this in a low generation format, hence the decent quality. There are 2 sources for the Ajanta gig, one from the above source, and another (slightly muddier sounding) recorded nearer the monitors on stage (or nearer the soundboard).

The YMCA recording you have, does it have a brief cut towards the end of Autosuggestion? Only the soundboard version has no cut (as on H&S).

Is the Jan you mention Jan Erik Justesen?

No,Jan Bollansée from Belgium.

Ricardo

Observe the cd you sent me is missing Colony (last song). Jan sent me a cd including Colony with much better sound quality than the rest.

Originally posted by Atrocity Exhibit Right, here goes:When Joy Division left the stage I felt emotionally drained. They are, without any exaggeration, an Important Band.Ian Wood, NME, 26.5.79

just how i felt when i discovered them... :)

That's it

Did Joy Division play a Section 25 song that night ?

Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart That's it Did Joy Division play a Section 25 song that night ?

Yes, the same one that they played at Malvern a fortnight before.

Originally posted by Known Pleasures > Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart That's it Did Joy Division play a Section 25 song that night ?

Yes, the same one that they played at Malvern a fortnight before.

Tim

Were Joy Division itself or Section 25 members with them on stage ?

Both bands, though the participation varied as the jam progressed. Bit of a shambles really, I've never understood why they sometimes did these jams with the support act. They seem to have stopped it since 86 though, thankfully (unless I've forgotten one).

Both bands, though the participation varied as the jam progressed. Bit of a shambles really, I've never understood why they sometimes did these jams with the support act. They seem to have stopped it since 86 though, thankfully (unless I've forgotten one).

OMG!!!! Just got done listening to Chance for the first time. My 2 year old daughter climbed up into my chair to listen too. Not everyday I can hear a Joy Divison song for the first time.

My first thought was how beautiful this song is. Sure, it is not the perfect production that Hannet made that we all know and love. that version is planned to be played during my funeral. But this is more than a raw version. Bands actually pay overrated producers to get this sound. I think Brian Eno ripped this off when he did U2's Unforgetable Fire. Bands spend decades to get this sound.

It is a shame that this did not become more widely available.

It is a shame Joy Division was over in 1980