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Just read an interesting review of the film written by The Wire's Simon Reynolds. He has some sharp perceptive points about its shortcomings, notably Ian's characterisation.

No British city has a greater sense of self-mystique than Manchester. Populous enough to swagger convincingly as a counter-capital to London, yet still eclipsed by the latter’s concentration of political, financical, and media power, Manchester has developed a retaliatory superiority complex: Northern suss and spirit versus those smug, effete "Southern wankers." Near the close of 24 Hour Party People--Michael Winterbottom’s lightly fictionalized movie about Factory, the legendary Manchester post-punk record label---TV presenter and Factory CEO Tony Wilson explains his motivations in terms of "civic pride". This peculiar provincial patriotism is the heart of the film, but like so much in Party People, it’s so thinly fleshed out it’s hard to see how someone not familiar with A/ the Factory story and B/ Britain’s class-inflected regional antagonisms, would even notice it.

Along with its damp climate and post-industrial grey decay (much improved since the 1976-92 period covered in Party People, thanks to urban regeneration funding), Manchester is justly reknowned for music: a series of epoch-defining bands, from Factory’s own Joy Division (and its successor band New Order) through The Smiths to Stone Roses, Happy Mondays (the other legendary Factory group), and Oasis. 24 Hour Party People’s cardinal flaw is its failure to convey what made Joy Division and Happy Mondays special, why they transcended local cult status and captured the national imagination.

Music has always been a challenge for the rock movie, which is why they tend to stick to the ‘Behind The Music’ dirt ‘n’ drama of interband conflicts, mismanagement, drug abuse; the dream of fame-and-fortune achieved only for it to turn nightmare. Neither music’s germinal mysteries (jam sessions, the intracranial moment of inspiration) nor its raptures (the solitary listener’s bliss, the crowd’s collective fervor) lend themselves to narrative.

Nonetheless, for a good thirty minutes, Party People seems to have pulled it off. The reconstructions of the Sex Pistols 1976 performance at Manchester’s Lesser Free Trade Hall (attended by a scant 42 people, who became the kernel of the local punk scene) and of an early Joy Division show transmit the real rush of rock’n’roll history in the making. And the film seems to have struck an inspired balance between docudrama realism and postmodern self-reflexive wit. Wilson, played by the brilliant British comedian Steve Coogan, addresses the camera Alfie-style, narrating his own story and helpfully pointing out when things have been distorted or made up for extra mythic impact.

Almost immediately after Joy Division enter the picture, though, Party People begins to unravel. The group’s vocalist Ian Curtis (Sean Harris) was worshipped at the time as a seer who tapped into the currents of dread and anomie pervading post-punk Britain. In Party People, you get no real sense of this complicated, troubled figure. Approaching Wilson for the first time at a punk gig, Curtis greets him with the words "you’re a cunt". For no explicable reason, the movie leaves out what he said next, "’cause you haven’t put us on television": a reference to Wilson’s So It Goes, at that time the only TV show featuring punk bands. So instead of demonstrating Curtis’s ambition and hunger for stardom, the movie creates the impression of aimless, loutish aggression. Similarly, Curtis’s epilepsy (a latent trait he seems to have somehow harnessed for the convulsive trance-dance of his stage performance, only for it to get out of control) is not set up at all, and his suicide is botched, appearing as a seemingly impulsive act. In a typically pointless gesture of historical fidelity, we see Curtis watching Herzog’s Stroszek’s on TV a few hours before hanging himself---just about the only hint of Curtis’s true artiness. As a result of all this, when Wilson gazes at Curtis in the chapel of rest and declares "that’s the Che Guavera of rock there," the eulogy seems comically overstated and utterly unsubstantiated by what we’ve seen so far. Still, Curtis fares better than Joy Division’s other members, who aren’t even formally introduced by name.

As for the label's other two geniuses, Martin Hannett (Andy Serkis), the maverick producer who had so much to do with the eerie spartan Factory sound, comes across as little more than a foul-tempered drunk, while not a single shred of evidence is mustered to sustain Wilson’s repeated claim that Happy Mondays’s singer Shaun Ryder (Danny Cunningham) is the greatest poet since Yeats. What is actually depicted--sex ‘n’ drugs ‘n’ rave’n’roll--makes the Mondays look more like a Mancunian Motley Crue.

Wilson hogs the screen, with much time devoted to an initially hilarious but steadily diminishing running joke about the trivial stories he’s obliged to cover on his TV show (midget zoo keepers, a duck who can round up sheep). Yet Wilson’s own complexity is sold short. Cambridge-educated Wilson was steeped in the renegade canon of anarcho-surrealist literature and politics, peppering Factory output with allusions to Lautreamont and naming his nightclub The Hacienda after a Situationist slogan. The movie gestures at Wilson’s underlying seriousness, but only in a mocking, borderline anti-intellectual way. Mostly he comes over as an odd mix of buffoon and visionary, a naif-with-integrity whose contracts (signed using his own blood) declared only that the bands retained ownership of their music and were free to leave whenever they pleased.

Party People jumps swiftly from Curtis’s 1980 death to the reign of Happy Mondays as house band at The Hacienda, during the 1988-91 "Madchester" period when the club was an Ecstasy-soaked mecca for ravers across the land. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Factory is how it survived for so long given the sporadic nature of Wilson’s A&R skills (he passed on The Smiths, for instance, and between JD and Mondays signed an awful lot of undistinguished bands Kalima anyone?) and his lack of business acumen. New Order’s 1983 hit "Blue Monday" was the biggest selling 12 inch single of all time, but lost Factory a fortune because its lavish Peter Saville cover cost more than the label’s profit margins. When it comes to Factory’s eventual collapse (partly caused by Happy Mondays’s profligacy), the movie glosses over the real pain and humiliation this must have involved. Instead, we see Wilson closing down the Hacienda with a massive shindig and inviting the revellers to ransack the offices for computers and other strippable assets.

Like so many post-Trainspotting Brit-films think especially of the ill-starred rave flick Human Traffic Party People is relentlessly lively, as if convinced that the youth market will not stand for stillness or sombreness (essential, surely, if you wish to convey a sense of Manchester’s Ballardian desolation in the 1970s, so crucial to Joy Division’s atmosphere). Characters are constantly shouting and swearing, and there’s barely a scene that doesn’t involve drink or drugs. On the plus side, the movie has plenty of gags, energetic hand-held camera work, and some striking set-pieces---like the scene where the teenage Shaun Ryder and brother poison three thousand pigeons on top of an apartment block. It’s quite possible, especially if you have absolutely nothing invested in the idea of Joy Division or the whole post-punk era, that you’ll find 24 Hour Party People highly entertaining---a feel-good movie about suicide, drug fuck-ups, and business failure, yay! Then again, to actually follow the film on even a basic narrative level, you’d need to know a lot about Factory already. Here is Party People’s paradox, its Achilles heel of "negative crossover": the movie is sure to irritate the only people truly equipped to watch it, while those with no real emotional connection to the subject will most likely be confused and leave the theater having gleaned little sense of what was at stake in Factory’s struggle.

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After skimming it, it seems to be a remarkably good review that sums up my own feelings on the movie fairly well. I'm going through Debbie Curtis' book again currently in preparation for an attempt at a more balanced and more interesting take on Joy Division. Hopefully the script should see the light of day before next year (as I'm sure it'll be shelved many times in favor of schoolwork), but at any rate I should be done with it long before that "Transmission" movie comes out, probably because it won't ever. Which brings me back to making it ourselves...the latest tribute project: a Joy Division movie.

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Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope After skimming it, it seems to be a remarkably good review that sums up my own feelings on the movie fairly well. I'm going through Debbie Curtis' book again currently in preparation for an attempt at a more balanced and more interesting take on Joy Division. Hopefully the script should see the light of day before next year (as I'm sure it'll be shelved many times in favor of schoolwork), but at any rate I should be done with it long before that "Transmission" movie comes out, probably because it won't ever. Which brings me back to making it ourselves...the latest tribute project: a Joy Division movie.

As long as Ralph Macchio plays Ian, I'm on board for it! :thumb:

I think the review is a bit harsh in places, but I agree that the general audience wouldn't get it (they clearly didn't here in the States). The facts behind Ian's death, however essantial to the story as they are, would take up a whole other section of the film and break up the necessary narrative...I could be wrong about that, as I have a massive headache and don't know what I'm typing anymore. Nonetheless, I'm a bit more favorable towards the film than the reviewer-type person

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The film is actually a very good in-joke - for the people, like me who grew up throughout the period and experienced these things first hand. But like in-jokes, if you are not part of the crowd then they don't work. The other problem the film has to contend with is that it is trying to depict a lifestyle that cant be pigeonholed as easy as it would have the audience believe. The "Joy Division scene" and certainly the "Hacienda scene" were just parts of a bigger whole- ask anyone who lived in Manchester in these eras!

Coogan was brilliant- he does make a really believable Tony Wilson though!!!

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My step-sister and several of her friends asked me about the movie. None of them saw it at the cinema or on video.

So, a showing has been arranged at my place - on the proviso (their idea) that I give them a lecture (!!!!) on Factory Records, Joy Division, New Order, Wilson, Gretton, Erasmus, Durutti Column, ACR, Buzzcocks, etc. the day before - interspersed with video/DVD clips of the videos and music of the time. (they're all in their early 20's...)

Their only other stipulation was that if they provide the drugs, I ust provide the alcohol...

I think that the review was pretty fair actually - there are some good bits, but as the girls have said to me - if there's no point watching it unless you have a basic knowledge of the history - get that knowledge before you watch it, otherwise it's an even more average film that it would normally be.

I'll let you know how the evening went when I've sobered up/come down...

:beer:

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While it's fair to say it is an enjoyable film, I felt there's overall a lack of gravitas which undermines the poignancy of Ian's persona. His intelligence and depth seem almost neglected and disparged ie it's telling that in Tony Wilson's commentary on the DVD he mentions Deberoh Curtis' assertion that Ian for example would have definitly known who the poet Yeats was. It's almost as if the filmmakers feel the comedy elements are the only way an audience can contexualise a complex personality like Curtis or Wilson's.

On the positive side though, Sean Harris does capture his disquieting intensity superbly. If only this malaise was conveyed effectively in the film it would help to convey why Joy Division were such an important soundtrack for any moody adolescent in the post-punk era.

I too grew up in Manchester and spent a great deal of my formative teenage years in the Hacienda/Ritz/Venue/Brickhouse etc. What I always find funny is the idea that most of the clientele of the Hacienda in 1988 were using E. The majority of the crowd were poor students fueled on cheap Red Stripe at a pound a can. And unlike today where the average E costs 3 or 4 pounds. In 88 it cost 20 to 25+ which was a hell of a lot to risk on some furtive dealer behind the Dj box!

Nostalgia it ain't what it used to be.

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I'll probably get shot for saying this, but the overall impact of the movie reminded me of how I felt after seeing Oliver Stone's take on The Doors - it succeeds in capturing some of the essence/atmosphere of a certain time, but loses its way in trying to cover too much and ends up covering just the surface. For a 2hr movie it's better to concentrate on a smaller part of the whole, eg by focusing on a few hectic months of a specific band and really getting into the detail. After seeing both movies I had the same reaction though - just wanted to go out and get wasted.

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Originally posted by Push I'll probably get shot for saying this, but the overall impact of the movie reminded me of how I felt after seeing Oliver Stone's take on The Doors - it succeeds in capturing some of the essence/atmosphere of a certain time, but loses its way in trying to cover too much and ends up covering just the surface.For a 2hr movie it's better to concentrate on a smaller part of the whole, eg by focusing on a few hectic months of a specific band and really getting into the detail. After seeing both movies I had the same reaction though - just wanted to go out and get wasted.

I totally agree with you, so where do you think a movie limited to Ian Curtis and Joy Division should start? I was thinking perhaps right after the first Warsaw gig, once things started rolling. Thoughts?

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Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope > Originally posted by Push> I'll probably get shot for saying this, but the overall impact of the movie reminded me of how I felt after seeing Oliver Stone's take on The Doors - it succeeds in capturing some of the essence/atmosphere of a certain time, but loses its way in trying to cover too much and ends up covering just the surface.> For a 2hr movie it's better to concentrate on a smaller part of the whole, eg by focusing on a few hectic months of a specific band and really getting into the detail. After seeing both movies I had the same reaction though - just wanted to go out and get wasted.

I totally agree with you, so where do you think a movie limited to Ian Curtis and Joy Division should start? I was thinking perhaps right after the first Warsaw gig, once things started rolling. Thoughts?

It should start at the Bowie concert where Ian met Barney and Hooky and finish in his funeral.

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I liked the movie, but I can't disagree with anything that's been said either here or by the reviewer. I thought one of the most powerful scenes was the one intercutting them playing Transmission onstage with newsclips of what was going on in England at the time - really helped give me a sense of what it might have been like and the power they had. The bit where they listen to She's Lost Control in the car was similar. But in both cases, just when you're starting to feel it they pull away, as if afraid to go further.

It'd be interesting to see a really heavy film that just got inside what it was like to be Joy Division, but I don't know anyone I'd trust to do it (I'm a filmmaker myself but in no position to do such a thing any time soon).

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Originally posted by Chase It'd be interesting to see a really heavy film that just got inside what it was like to be Joy Division, but I don't know anyone I'd trust to do it (I'm a filmmaker myself but in no position to do such a thing any time soon).

What sort of films do you make? Anything that's been shown in notable festivals? Apart from being a big film buff, I like to consider myself a filmmaker of sorts, but I mostly just dabble in it because I don't have the money/equipment/actors to do more. Most of my stuff is script work since I don't actually have to produce any of it. But I love directing once I get my ass in gear and start on a project. I still haven't made anything very good, except I have a few scripts that I like very much (one of which I may make next summer). But I had a dream over a year ago that I was directing the Ian Curtis biopic, so I'm trying to take the interpretation of signs as far as I can by attempting to get in touch with the parties involved in the actual production of the movie "Transmission" to see what the story is on it. But I do have a script for it on the way, eventually.

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Originally posted by Chris My step-sister and several of her friends asked me about the movie. None of them saw it at the cinema or on video.So, a showing has been arranged at my place - on the proviso (their idea) that I give them a lecture (!!!!) on Factory Records, Joy Division, New Order, Wilson, Gretton, Erasmus, Durutti Column, ACR, Buzzcocks, etc. the day before - interspersed with video/DVD clips of the videos and music of the time. (they're all in their early 20's...)Their only other stipulation was that if they provide the drugs, I ust provide the alcohol...I think that the review was pretty fair actually - there are some good bits, but as the girls have said to me - if there's no point watching it unless you have a basic knowledge of the history - get that knowledge before you watch it, otherwise it's an even more average film that it would normally be.I'll let you know how the evening went when I've sobered up/come down...:beer:

I did a similar thing for a couple fo friends a few months back, having to stop the film every few minutes to explain who the character was, annoyingly my mates wife couldn't take on board who Rob Gretton was and at the 5th time of "stop, who's he" I was getting a little pissed off. No drugs though, the mate's wife is a doctor so I even had to watch how much I drank :shrug: I keep threatening another mate with the film but I can't see it happening :(

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I was thinking about showing the dvd to friends but figure I'd have to play narrator and annoy the shit out of them. Only a NO fan would have recognized Bluie Monday in that acoustic set. How do you explain Ian's suicide to those that do not know Joy Division. One minute he is watching tv and then the next minute he is swinging from the rafters. And then explainging that FUCK is a preposition in Manchester.

Will require drugs for sure. And games. Smoke a bowl everytime you see them smoking a joint on the dvd. Or do a shot.

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i did a showing at my place a few months back. i skipped any pre-lecture, went straight to the drinks and i think the crowd made it halfway through the film before they totally lost interest. oh well.

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Bravo. Brillianlty observed and very eradite. An astounding piece of critique.

But I do think the point is thus: This is a piece of fiction interweaved with fact. It is a personal account of a very intersting time, not a social documentary. The film as a whole doesn't work. It is a collection of short stories connected in a vain attempt to make a whole and should be viewed as one mans vision of himself. If you want the truth, then a documentary using archive footage will always beat a piece of drama. As the Hacienda must be built, the story of Manchester's Music scene will one day be told, in all its glory, for all to see.

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Very good review. I hated the film.

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I remember being in the Hacienda in 89 and didn't have a clue about this E thing, but then at £20 for what could of been an asprin would of seemed a lot to pay when it was £1 for a can of Breaker. A couple of years later things had changed. I'm glad the Haceinda has gone. I'm glad it ended it tears and recriminations, otherwise what have you got? Cream? FAC that!

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The film had it's moments but you relly need to know a lot about what was going on then or it does seem a bit bland.Some interesting points here though.The whole scene has been magnified and sounds better than it relly was.I was a great fan of the band but when you live through it..it just becomes everyday life.Then when the whole MYTH explodes everyman and his dog jumps on the bandwagon and usually it is made out to be better man!:DSo remember now to enjoy each and everyday..all the music and sounds of today also..cos you are probably living in THE NEW AGE OF NEW ORDER which will be big RETROTIME in 2020.Bet we are still here posting about how great middle age was for HOOKY.:thumb:

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Originally posted by Love Will Tear Us Apart > Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope> > > > Originally posted by Push> > I'll probably get shot for saying this, but the overall impact of the movie reminded me of how I felt after seeing Oliver Stone's take on The Doors - it succeeds in capturing some of the essence/atmosphere of a certain time, but loses its way in trying to cover too much and ends up covering just the surface.> > For a 2hr movie it's better to concentrate on a smaller part of the whole, eg by focusing on a few hectic months of a specific band and really getting into the detail. After seeing both movies I had the same reaction though - just wanted to go out and get wasted.>

I totally agree with you, so where do you think a movie limited to Ian Curtis and Joy Division should start? I was thinking perhaps right after the first Warsaw gig, once things started rolling. Thoughts?

It should start at the Bowie concert where Ian met Barney and Hooky and finish in his funeral.

I agree with you on the "Doors" comparison: The first thirty minutes or so were exhilerating, but after they appear on Ed Sullivan and Jim goes off with the Wiccan journalist, it kinda becomes too much. Perhaps it's my lack of anything positive to say about the Happy Mondays after their portrayal in the film, but I think the second half isn't quite as strong (as success in real life ruined Factory, what with "Blue Monday" and the Hac, so success ruins the second half of the film, which is less compelling to me).

As for the JD project (which, as all good NO fans learn to do, I have reserved a great amount of cynicism towards it seeing the light of day), I think maybe starting at the first rehearsals, then going up to the night of Ian's death (but not showing it, perhaps) might be good. Off the top of my head, though, maybe a sort of "flashback" to certain aspects of Ian's history with and apart from the band, while he sits at home contemplating suicide, might be an interesting approach...or a completely pretentious waste of time, I don't know. I'm just thinking, is all....:shrug:

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Originally posted by His Holiness, The Pope What sort of films do you make? Anything that's been shown in notable festivals? Apart from being a big film buff, I like to consider myself a filmmaker of sorts, but I mostly just dabble in it because I don't have the money/equipment/actors to do more. Most of my stuff is script work since I don't actually have to produce any of it. But I love directing once I get my ass in gear and start on a project. I still haven't made anything very good, except I have a few scripts that I like very much (one of which I may make next summer). But I had a dream over a year ago that I was directing the Ian Curtis biopic, so I'm trying to take the interpretation of signs as far as I can by attempting to get in touch with the parties involved in the actual production of the movie "Transmission" to see what the story is on it. But I do have a script for it on the way, eventually.

You wouldn't have seen any of my personal (film school) stuff, and my feature film credits are on crappy projects I wouldn't inflict on anyone else. I mostly like low budget, indie, foreign films with lots of character development. So who knows, if my career gets a little further along maybe I'll get to do a Joy Division film someday...

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