Promo CDR + DVD for the Electronic Best Of

Hmmmm. We can only hope that newer tracklisting will prove to be the final version. Well, at least we have Shug as the tightener-upperer of loose ends to get the "complete" Electronic scope.

Cheers for the info Ally.

Thanks for the update, Ally. I'll still expect it to be a present from a friend and not my own purchasing that'll bring this to me, because after Shug's (& Co.) effort, I'm a happy gal.

"There is no CD/DVD edition for the USA, only a CD edition."

What utter crapola! Is that right Spotnick? I'm gonna have to order it off that internet thingy.

Yeah, really. The US gets crap treatment as far as extras go. I want to know one thing: Is the DVD regionless? If I order it I better be able to play it!

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

• Get The Message (single mix) is the withdrawn 7" mix!

Which Single Mix? Today I've checked all my versions and it seems the discography isn't correct on these versions. So far I "discovered": German 7" / UK 7" have both the 3:47 mix... German cd-maxi / UK cd-maxi have both the 3:55 mix...

So I wonder which mix has been disapproved: 3:47 3:55 4:07

By the way, I would like to see a commercial release of the DNA 7" mixes... I've never heard these...

Aries wrote: Yeah, really. The US gets crap treatment as far as extras go. I want to know one thing: Is the DVD regionless? If I order it I better be able to play it!

a quick web search using terms such as dvd and region free should see you right. there are region free hacks for most dvd players.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

So I wonder which mix has been disapproved: 3:47 3:55 4:07

Two of the mixes here are most likely identical. 7 seconds difference is not much and could easily be explained as extended silence or for the shorter timing cutting out abruptly after the fade-out.

There are 4 official 'edits' of Get The Message:

Get The Message (Disapproved 7" Mix) - 3:57 Get The Message (Approved 7" Mix) - 4:08 Get The Message (DNA Groove Mix Edit) - 3:42 Get The Message (DNA Sin Mix Edit) - 3:58

The Disapproved 7" Mix is featured as the soundtrack to the GTM promo video. It is a straight edit of the album version, no new sections whereas the Approved 7" Mix on FACD287, the US Maxi-CD, the German CD single, live performances etc. is the most commonly known among fans (and IMO the best). It is arranged differently and slightly remixed.

Oh well, it's nice to have the "disapproved mix" on an official CD at last.

Just been checking again, but the only cd 7" version I got is 3:53 (there are 2 seconds of silence on the cd, but the track runs only 3:53 and is similar to the vinyl, which is probably spinning a bit too fast on my turntable...)

These are the cd's I got: Facd287 - blue sleeve with orange '2' (3 tracks), there is a tiny little handwritten sticker on the case which said 'promo', but the sleeve or label are I think just the regular one. It's 'mastered by Nimbus' and has the inscription (= right word???) FACD 287 with three tiny dots, like this :-

The German cd, red with yellow '2', cat. nr. 663 849 - 211, has 6 tracks and plays the same 7" version as the UK pressing.

Well, if your UK cd plays an other edit, we have different copies :) So, I would like to hear the 4:07 edit... that is still "disapproved" to me

Ahhhgrr... even more confusing...

My UK 7" has the matrix # "FAC 287/7 A2", but is not a white label promo, but the fuchsia sleeve/label with an orange '2' and has cat.nr. Fac287/7 and plays the same version as the Facd287 I got... only a bit too fast, which explains a difference of 5 or 6 seconds.

By the way, the German 7" (green sleeve, yellow '2') has also an extra '2' in the matrix: "104 113849-1 A-2". The label says this version has a running time of 4:05, but plays in fact the same as the Facd287 version (3:53)...

I guess, most of the people who put all the info in the various discographies didn't actually 'listen and compare' to the versions on the vinyl or cd's, but only checked the label/sleeve credits... It seems most of the info on the German releases aren't correct. So, I wonder if there's really a disapproved edit? If so, it might be in my opinion the 4:05 version...

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: There doesn't seem to be a smiley for shooting myself in the head.

Why would you need this one: or ? Besides that, one day you could send me some more tracks

Is there any URL to listen to some of the tracks ? I never listened to Electronic and I'm quite interested.

hohun wrote: Is there any URL to listen to some of the tracks ? I never listened to Electronic and I'm quite interested.

Never?!?!?!

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

So I wonder which mix has been disapproved: 3:47 3:55 4:07

Two of the mixes here are most likely identical. 7 seconds difference is not much and could easily be explained as extended silence or for the shorter timing cutting out abruptly after the fade-out.

There are 4 official 'edits' of Get The Message:

Get The Message (Disapproved 7" Mix) - 3:57 Get The Message (Approved 7" Mix) - 4:08 Get The Message (DNA Groove Mix Edit) - 3:42 Get The Message (DNA Sin Mix Edit) - 3:58

The Disapproved 7" Mix is featured as the soundtrack to the GTM promo video. It is a straight edit of the album version, no new sections whereas the Approved 7" Mix on FACD287, the US Maxi-CD, the German CD single, live performances etc. is the most commonly known among fans (and IMO the best). It is arranged differently and slightly remixed.

Oh well, it's nice to have the "disapproved mix" on an official CD at last.

Are you not getting these two versions mixed up? I have the Factory CD single of Get The Message, and it's the 3:53 version, which is simply an edited album version). Surely, therefore the "approved" version?

I was in a pub once and heard a completely different single version (that was on some "Now That's What I Call Music" compilation, or similar). It started with an acoustic remix of the instrumental middle section, before going into the regular edit - if I remember it correctly. I always remember preferring this arrangement, as it sounded quite a dynamic intro to the song. I'd assume this was the "disapproved" version, and that it appeared on the compilation in error, as I'd never heard it in this form on the radio or on any UK formats when it was released. Always wished I could get hold of it though, and hope this is the version that will appear on this compilation.

Incidentally, is 'Feel Every Beat' the original album version, or The Beatmasters seven inch mix?

Andy

Spotnick wrote:

NOOLigan wrote:

Aries wrote: Yeah, really. The US gets crap treatment as far as extras go. I want to know one thing: Is the DVD regionless? If I order it I better be able to play it!

a quick web search using terms such as dvd and region free should see you right. there are region free hacks for most dvd players.

Except for my super Sony DVD player who simply can't play PAL....

I was furious when I found out. It doesn't have a PAL decoder!

To my knowledge, Sony DVD players can not be hacked. Ours even has trouble playing DVD-r's. We bought a $40 DVD player from Target (CYBER HOME CH-DVD 320) and it plays everything, with no issues of quality, either. The hack code (via remote control) was easy to find on the net.

Ah such fun to be had ;) I'm looking forward to it despite all of its inadequacies. It just makes Shug look even better.

btw - looking forward to finally meeting Celtic in a competitive game ;)

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: Are you not getting these two versions mixed up? I have the Factory CD single of Get The Message, and it's the 3:53 version, which is simply an edited album version). Surely, therefore the "approved" version?

Ok, I've given my Facd287 a listen and if your track 1 (Get The Message 7") is clocking in at 3:53 then we must have different Factory CDs. It's definitely the 4:07 version on mine which is the same mix as the ones on the Warner Bros. Maxi-CD and the Virgin CD single.

The 4:07 starts with a synthesiser/lazy drum beat break and has quite a different arrangement to the album version. Whereas the 3:53 on this Best Of CDR is a straight edit of the album version with the odd bit chopped out here. This is the "disapproved" version the band quickly recalled isn't it?

Hope that clears things up.

I'd say, you got yourself a very rare Facd287 copy! Have you listened to the German Virgin release already? I find it still very odd, all my 4 different releases have the same 3:53 version... and now it will be also on the Best Of...

Any chance you could send this 4:07 mix?

Well, I too have FACD287, and it's definitely the 3:53 edit album version on there - which is what I always assumed was the "approved" version.

So, there are two different pressings of FACD287 then??? Can anyone elaborate. Do I have a rarer version of it?

Andy

Have a look at http://www.neworderonline.com/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=68 and you'll see that lists FACD287 as having the 3:55 "alternate" 7 inch version.

Could we simply be talking about a UK seven inch mix, and a different US seven inch mix?

Wonder if there are two different versions of FACD287 - and if there's anyway of telling them apart by sight?

Andy

musicoloog wrote:

hohun wrote: Is there any URL to listen to some of the tracks ? I never listened to Electronic and I'm quite interested.

Never?!?!?!

Never ;)

No url, no webradio broadcasting it ?

hohun wrote:

musicoloog wrote:

hohun wrote: Is there any URL to listen to some of the tracks ? I never listened to Electronic and I'm quite interested.

Never?!?!?!

Never ;)

No url, no webradio broadcasting it ?

I believe the latest NOOL podcast is a side-projects edition, worth tracking down

Mr Discography wrote: Have a look at http://www.neworderonline.com/Music/Release.aspx?ReleaseID=68 and you'll see that lists FACD287 as having the 3:55 "alternate" 7 inch version.

Could we simply be talking about a UK seven inch mix, and a different US seven inch mix?

Wonder if there are two different versions of FACD287 - and if there's anyway of telling them apart by sight?

Andy

I guess we got the same Facd287. By the way the neworderonline discography has a lot of incorrect details, such as timecredits. Especially the European releases (i.e. German) need some updates... So far the German (Virgin) releases of Get The Message are exactly the same as the UK pressings, both 7" as cd-maxi... Just check the matrix numbers... the numbers 2 at the end of it tells me these are the second, approved, versions...

hohun wrote:

musicoloog wrote:

hohun wrote: Is there any URL to listen to some of the tracks ? I never listened to Electronic and I'm quite interested.

Never?!?!?!

Never ;)

No url, no webradio broadcasting it ?

Mail me and I can probably help you out

Okay, it seems as though on both the UK and German CD singles, that there are 2 different pressings for each.

For the German CD single (663 849-211) -

4:07/4:08 mix: on the rear of the CD (in the inner ring), it says "SONOPRESS 663849 A1" 3:55 mix: on the rear of the CD (in the inner ring), it says "SONOPRESS 663849-1 A"

I haven't compared two different UK CD singles yet, although mine is the 4:07/4:08 version, which has:

"Mastered by NIMBUS" and "FACD 487" on the inner sleeve.

And the barcode is "5016839702874"

Damn, another couple of Cd singles to track down!

Nick King wrote: ...And 4:08 on the 6-track German CD single (663 849-211)

You're sure? You also got the red sleeve with yellow "2", black & white innersleeve. My cd has the matrix SONOPRESS 663 849-1 A

musicoloog wrote:

Nick King wrote: ...And 4:08 on the 6-track German CD single (663 849-211)

You're sure? You also got the red sleeve with yellow "2", black & white innersleeve. My cd has the matrix SONOPRESS 663 849-1 A

Yes, I compared my Geramn CD single which has 4:08 on it, and SONOPRESS 663 849 A1, and this was different to his 3:55 one which was SONOPRESS 663 849-1 A.

So, there you go - now you know!

Nick King wrote:

musicoloog wrote:

Nick King wrote: ...And 4:08 on the 6-track German CD single (663 849-211)

You're sure? You also got the red sleeve with yellow "2", black & white innersleeve. My cd has the matrix SONOPRESS 663 849-1 A

Yes, I compared my Geramn CD single which has 4:08 on it, and SONOPRESS 663 849 A1, and this was different to his 3:55 one which was SONOPRESS 663 849-1 A.

So, there you go - now you know!

I would say: riddle solved!!! Well, almost... still wondering why they put the 'right' labels on the 'wrong' vinyl on the German 7" or they put the 'wrong' labels on the 'right' vinyl

It seems the German "3:53" cd/7" have been sold only over here. I've asked some friends this morning and they all have only this version...

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Andy, could you post your track 1 off your Facd287 and I'll post mine? Cheers.

Okay, you'll find my 7" version from FACD287 here. Let me know a link to your version so I can hear that too. My CD simply says FACD 287 and Mastered By Nimbus on it. Barcode No. is 5 016839 702874.

I did buy this CD single a few months after it had been released as a single, and have read about the "disapproved of" seven inch mix - which is why I made the assumption that I must have the "approved of" version (especially if it's the version in the video - and greatest hits compilation).

Incidentally, I'm trying to track down the other version of the edit (i.e. not the edited album version I'm linking to above. I've found "Get the Message (USA Warner Bros 21832-2 digipack 5trk)" online... Can someone confirm which seven inch version this US CD single actually features??!

Cheers,

Andy

I've yet to hear or read anyone make the connection between the low, single-note string melody that underpins the chorus of 'Get The Message' and the piano notes behind the chorus vocals to Sister Sledge's 'We Are Family'...

I've always thought it was a deliberate "nod" towards that disco classic.... Surely the notes are too similar to be coincidence..?

Andy

where the hell is "when shes gone" its a classic for me?

Mr Discography wrote: Okay, you'll find my 7" version from FACD287 here. Let me know a link to your version so I can hear that too. My CD simply says FACD 287 and Mastered By Nimbus on it. Barcode No. is 5 016839 702874.

Definitely different to my FACD287 (bought it at the time of release), and no external differences on the barcode/markings on the CD... Wonder if I buy 5 CD singles, what are the chances of finding one with the other mix on it? :)

Why not include Lete Of Night video?

Nick King wrote:

Mr Discography wrote: Okay, you'll find my 7" version from FACD287 here. Let me know a link to your version so I can hear that too. My CD simply says FACD 287 and Mastered By Nimbus on it. Barcode No. is 5 016839 702874.

Definitely different to my FACD287 (bought it at the time of release), and no external differences on the barcode/markings on the CD... Wonder if I buy 5 CD singles, what are the chances of finding one with the other mix on it? :)

I wouldn't worry... Sounds like it will be on the new compilation anyway!

I'm not entirely sure which seven inch version is the "approved" and which is the "disapproved" one now..? I always assumed the version that wasn't the edited album mix was "disapproved" - which is why I have the version I do on the UK CD single. But it seems the US at least, got the "remixed" seven inch version... Wonder if that was a mastering error (ie.e someone picked the wrong seven inch mix to go on it)!

Andy

Suprised they didn`t bung the radio edit of Tighten Up onto it. They need something to make it worth buying.

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote: Sorry it's a bit late Andy, but you can find the Get The Message 7" from my own Facd287 freshly encoded this evening here. As you will hear, this is the remixed 4:07 version which features on the US Maxi-CD and some pressings of the German CDS.

It would appear there are definitely two different pressings of the UK Factory CD single and the German Virgin CD doing the rounds. My German CDS definitely has the 4:07 version but tonight I just ordered and confirmed another version of the Virgin CDS with the 3:53 version so I've just got the "alternate" Factory pressing to get now.

Fcuking nightmare! Can't believe this is the first we've heard of this almost 15 years after the single was first released

Ally, ain't got a clue how to use that Megaupload site... Can you email it to me instead, ta?

Andy

Right, I ordered that US edition of 'Get The Message' from a UK online record store, and it arrived this morning. My thoughts:

I strongly believe that this 4:05 'single version' is the disapproved mix, for a couple of reasons.

I bought the UK Factory CD single a couple of months after it's release, and it featured the 3:53 '7"' mix - i.e. the edited album version. This single mix is far more representative of the album version, which is sought to promote.

Those that have said their Factory CD single include the 4:05 single version comment that they bought it very soon after release - backing up my suspicions, that this longer edit is the "withdrawn" version. It appears some German and the US editions feature this (what I think is the 'disapproved' version). Well, it wouldn't be the first time a wrong version of a track has gotten released in error (hello 'Temptation (Original Version) on the 'touched CDS!).

More to the point, while I quite enjoy the 4:05 edit as an alternative single mix (and quite like it's intro), it's differences when compared to the album version make it - I would have though - more likely to get "disapproved" by the band. It they didn't like the edited album version, for example, why did they not also not like the longer album version proper??

Also, the structural changes in the 4:05 edit give the song a more cut-up feel (again, making it more likely to be disapproved of). Add to that the fact that Denise Johnson's backing vocals in the final chorus do not appear at all, and the fact that it's the 3:53 edit apparently going on 'the best of', then surely, the 4:05 mix is the one that Bernard and Johnny didn't want released?

I rest my case, m'lud.

What do the others think?

Cheers,

Andy

from what i see here it looks like there is

3:47 Get the message (7" Mix) Disapproved 3:55 Get the message (7" Mix) Apporved 4:05 Get the message (Single Mix)

most people have the 4:05-4:08

The version on best of is the 3:55 version

and the 3:47 is still "out there"

I only have the 4:05-4:08 version and it is looking like i will buy this more and more. The real reason I was going to get this was just for the videos.

Oh BTW what versions of the videos are these??

Again the dedication of Ally et al is remarkable. Keep up the good work

I always thought it was strange that the cd set had 2 of the same song on it

Isn't the radio edit not only on the promo cd? And the "single version" is more or less the same as the album version, except that this one has the full length outro... I haven't checked, but I think the album version has crossfades... (I really should listen to this album again)

Well, I carried out my idea of buying 5 random second-hand UK CD singles, and 5 random second-hand German CD singles...

So far, I've got 4 x UK CD singles and 1 x German CD single back...

All 4 of the UK CD singles have the "3:55" mix on them, and the 1 German CD single has the "4:08" mix on it...

Oh yeah, and there's absolutely *NO* difference between the UK sleeves/CD's as to which version is on the CD... The only way of telling which one you own is to play it!

What this proves yet, I don't know, but it may be interesting to find out from everyone that owns either a UK or German CD single, which mix they have?

Maybe a poll?

bitter sweet now I need to get another version of For You and Get the message. At least there is more out there

Spotnick wrote:

Nick King wrote: Well, I carried out my idea of buying 5 random second-hand UK CD singles, and 5 random second-hand German CD singles...

So far, I've got 4 x UK CD singles and 1 x German CD single back...

All 4 of the UK CD singles have the "3:55" mix on them, and the 1 German CD single has the "4:08" mix on it...

Oh yeah, and there's absolutely *NO* difference between the UK sleeves/CD's as to which version is on the CD... The only way of telling which one you own is to play it!

What this proves yet, I don't know, but it may be interesting to find out from everyone that owns either a UK or German CD single, which mix they have?

Maybe a poll?

Well, if that helps you... I don't have it, so I'm always willing to buy you back one

One of them's yours then - I'll let you have it either at Wembley/NOOL Day or Wolverhampton!

As I only got the 3:55 versions, I also bought another one... and I got lucky: now I got also the German 4:08, which has indeed a different matrix number! So I guess the UK versions should have some differences as well...

[brown]Ally[/brown] wrote:

For You (Single Mix) - 5:02 The Single Mix (Track 1 of both CD1+2) is a remixed LP version with a slightly beefier sound overall. I suspect the drums and some of the guitar were re-recorded and the vocals are double-tracked.

And there you have it, the three versions.

Never noticed the difference before...

musicoloog wrote: So I guess the UK versions should have some differences as well...

Unfortunately not... :\ohwell:

The very idea of a best of disc for Electronic is rather incredulous given they only ever gave a handful of live gigs. Too boot, the release of their 1st single "Getting Away With It" penned in the late 1980's arrived coincidentally at their pentacle. They have certainly penned additional great songs - Disappointed, When She's Gone, Twisted Tenderness, Second Nature, Feel Every Beat, etc. but they never got any better. Like New Order, they got the max out of the minimum. I bought every single and CD as they came out in high hopes, and expectation of a sound that never quite jelled. They were paradoxically, and simultaneously, both more and less. Quizzically, their stubbornness served well and also hurt as they provided beats to the folly of youth.

Extensive research will show Raise The Pressure took years, not months, to write and complete as Karl Bartos slid into jolly England as early as 1993 to hoist pints and help bang around the old key boards with Barney and Johnny as the good buzzes got going, going great.

I loved their music but never play any in the company of others, especially the RTP album. TT could have been great, and the initial eponymous album was/is. I still have the lot, and can't figure why I would keep this stash. I have no interest in eBay auctions, sharing collections, and seldom listen to any of it. The possible purchase of this new stateside release would be silly and rather dubious. As I crank out a "remember when" on this forum I now realize why I embarked on this wordy worthlessness and wonder.

Things in life never happen as you wish or expect. Electronic had a window in time once to be tremendous. Perhaps they were too busy enjoying the fruits and plenitude from their other endeavors to be bothered writing much music. Perhaps their lives were too rich. Most great music comes out of the darkness of need, the poverty of little, the excess of desire, and the naivety of it all. Perhaps they were living so large, essence, inspiration, ideas, and sustenance shunned them like a rare disease.

The bands they influenced have gone on to do this type of thing better, and the concept of this CD seems odd in it's timing. It's not like the market is clamoring for old Electronic material. This smacks of a certain commercialism the band once fought hard to keep at a distance. As the world spins further into madness I think Time Will Time or Flicker could soundtrack this moment and confirm a finality. It's more akin to an obit or epitaph of a band. They were good. Often sublime. Occasionally great. They could have been so much more. Dust to ashes, there's nothing more to get away with.

A closing note. In the media savvy age of instant information, the thirst for tidbits exceeds the quest for knowledge and education. Barney stands at two unique thresholds. He helped pen and compose the first great song of a decade in Love Will Tear Us Apart as Joy Division. He also closed out the same decade with the second best song 10 years later in Getting Away With It as Electronic. Long live the 80's and his royal new orderness.

After the last door closed....not even such stalwarts and luminaries such as the Beatles, Bob Dylan, Elvis Presley, the Clash, or David Bowie can lay claim to the same feat. U2 could be a possible maybe.

a last lament, a final fling, undesirable in many ways but not unexpected.